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Originally posted by RebelScum99
WvWvW is NOT an improvement over open world PvP.  Don't delude yourselves.  

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Poor guy......Bet you like ganking those poor housewives who are picking flowers in their free time hmmm rambo ?

Only shit open world pvp provides is ganking the weak.

Best mmo to date, make sure to hate.

Originally posted by hardicon

1.  no open world pvp-- alot of previous games have gotten flamed pretty hard but gw2 seems to get a free pass.

 

2.  their stress test yesterday being kind of poor-- this close to release and a bad stress test.  other games this would generate lots of negativity, barely any mention for gw2.

3.  pve encounters being a zergfest--  I remember when rift was coming out and they had this new feature called rifts that seemed pretty revolutionary at the time, alot of people got down on rift about how they were all zergfests and nothing really new but apparantly gw2 has alot of these types of quests and so many people are calling this the new breed of mmo where questing is fun.

1) No open world PvP is a PLUS for the GW community. GW1 was instanced, and griefing was no small part of the reason why they went that direction. WvW is the "open world PvP" of GW2, and honestly it makes "normal" open world PvP look pretty sad. Yes, sad. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over my trebuchet. 

2) I had no problems. We'll see how launch goes. Nothing that complaining can do about this, anyway; not like they're gonna suddenly read a forum post and say, "Oh, they want to have smooth framerates, I didn't know that!"

3) Zerging in PvE will drop once people aren't confined to the starting areas. Plus, DEs in GW2 scale with your group's size, so other than visual clutter (which was handled in a recent update that toned down effects for spells that don't directly affect you) it shouldn't make the game unplayable. And frankly, I'm excited to play an MMO where open-world content is regularly played WITH OTHER PEOPLE, not in competition with them. Ad hoc grouping without partying has led to some of the best moments of the beta for me. 

There are plenty of actual concerns on the forums. These are not things that most fans are worried about (except performance, but again, nothing we can do about that). 

I will give GW2 a pass for problems cos

1) Their combat gameplay is way better than TSW and Tera.

2) $60 is GW2 lifetime subs only 

3) 3 factions Wvw that works. If anyone assumed it is a zerg fest than he is an idiot that never pvp 3 factions before.

4) The cities are the biggest and grandest that I have ever played on any MMO.

I'm not sure where this 'free pass' mentality is coming from.  Just a quick browse through GW2 topics shows that there's people complaining about each and every one of the points that were listed.

Also, open world PvP is something that some people like, and some people don't.  It's only hypocritical if the exact same people who insist all games need open world PvP say 'Except GW2'.  Lots of people don't like open world PvP, so for those people, it's a feature, not a bug.

Just three posts about me is tixylix.  His very existence invalidates the whole premise of your post, since he's definitely not giving GW2 a free pass.  :)

Originally posted by travamars

Since most of the people that come here and hype the game and ignore the flaws have already paid for the game your not going to hear them ever say that there is anything wrong with the game.  They spend most of their time convencing other (or themselves) that the game is good.

So its only getting a free pass from people already invested in the game. Everybody else sees it for what it really is.

You ever consider that the things you deem as "flaws," others may consider as benefits? That is of course if you actually know what you're talking about and not just blindly hating on the game because it popular or "hyped."

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

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Originally posted by RebelScum99
WvWvW is NOT an improvement over open world PvP.  Don't delude yourselves.  

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Poor guy......Bet you like ganking those poor housewives who are picking flowers in their free time hmmm rambo ?

Only shit open world pvp provides is ganking the weak.

Best mmo to date, make sure to hate.

I only partly agree with this but I got a laugh at the rambo part, well done!

Originally posted by otacu

How's having WvWvW and not the old gankfest owvpvp an issue?

 

Most pvprs feel different.

Originally posted by Meowhead

I'm not sure where this 'free pass' mentality is coming from.  Just a quick browse through GW2 topics shows that there's people complaining about each and every one of the points that were listed.

Also, open world PvP is something that some people like, and some people don't.  It's only hypocritical if the exact same people who insist all games need open world PvP say 'Except GW2'.  Lots of people don't like open world PvP, so for those people, it's a feature, not a bug.

I think its more of a thing that, most rational people that are into MMOs will be buying GW2 regardless of what they're complaining about.

Me personally, I have some qualms over some aspects of the game.. clearly... but I still bought it....  on a sub based game I would probably have thought twice about it.   ..... but then still bought it because I'm a sucker.... so...

business as usual?

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Op you are passing on statements as fact, and then stating you don't agree with those statements. Confusing.

Simple fact a stress test is not a stress test if it does not stress the system- so why does this need a pass?

This.  The reason the other games seemed to not get a pass is because they weren't really stress tests, they were promotions for you to buy the game.  If GW2 was guilty of this then they wouldn't let people play for only an hour .

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

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Originally posted by RebelScum99
WvWvW is NOT an improvement over open world PvP.  Don't delude yourselves.  

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Poor guy......Bet you like ganking those poor housewives who are picking flowers in their free time hmmm rambo ?

Only shit open world pvp provides is ganking the weak.

Best mmo to date, make sure to hate.

This is what pvers say.  

Is this reportable?

Originally posted by Meowhead

I'm not sure where this 'free pass' mentality is coming from.  Just a quick browse through GW2 topics shows that there's people complaining about each and every one of the points that were listed.

Also, open world PvP is something that some people like, and some people don't.  It's only hypocritical if the exact same people who insist all games need open world PvP say 'Except GW2'.  Lots of people don't like open world PvP, so for those people, it's a feature, not a bug.

LOL, you can have threads that remain positive, this stuff doesn't get thrown up in every single discussion, that is a huge difference between what we see on a regular basis in other forums here.You have the random thread that focuses on negatives and that's it. Comparitively speaking there's a huge difference between the amount of negative discussion when it comes to GW2.

Originally posted by Mithrandolir

Originally posted by LethalJaxx

1. games don't get flamed for not having open world PvP, they get flamed because the PvP elements they do have are poorly implemented. GW2's PvP is fun, meaningful, and well delivered

2. Since all other BWE's and tests were very smooth, it's easy enough to asume it'll be fixed (and maybe it has been, i wasn't able to join the evening test)

3. DE's are not a tacked on feature as in Rift. They are the core and make the world come alive. They allow you to roam freely and run into unexpected encounters, lead you to paths you otherwise wouldn't have known about and tell a comprehensive story. They are a vast improvement to ?! questing, even if the odd one out reverts into a zerg. 

 

couldn't say it any better, so I will just quote the above. Thanks!

 

This.

Only things I add...

1. "Open World" PvP is almost always about higher levels/better gear pounding noobs.

2. Last stress test implemented new GPU hardware code. Created a couple of bugs...that were corrected by the end of the test.

3. Well orchestrated groups will always reap better rewards from high end DE's.

Originally posted by Distopia

LOL, you can have threads that remain positive, this stuff doesn't get thrown up in every single discussion, that is a huge difference between what we see on a regular basis in other forums here.You have the random thread that focuses on negatives and that's it. Comparitively speaking there's a huge difference between the amount of negative discussion when it comes to GW2.

 I'll admit, I don't browse other game topics that much, but there are times when every single topic in the GW2 forum  that isn't a sticky is a negative thread about GW2.  Also, even completely innocuous threads sometimes have people running in talking about it being P2W or mentioning it not having open world PvP, or it being zergy, or whatever.

*shrug*

I think it's something that fluctuates over time, but unless there's some actual figures and graphs here, this is all just anecdotal on either of our parts. :D

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by otacu

How's having WvWvW and not the old gankfest owvpvp an issue?

 

Most pvprs feel different.

Im a pvper and I don't feel that way. Most pvpers want good competition. If you subsitute pvpr with ganker your statement might be true.