Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

Originally posted by Zooce

"Watch this person 'die' and live to tell about it! Mortal wounds are nothing land and fresh air can't fix!"

 

The guy in that video was getting juked by a mesmer where you have it queued to begin.  The actual player he was chasing never left the water, but instead returned to capture the ruins if I'm not mistaken.  Not sure of my stance on the downed state for pvp yet, waiting till I get more first-hand experience with the spvp.

 

Looks like a fun map, those sharks provide nice back-up when shit hits the fan on land and you control the waters.

No man, the guy was downed, gets his health back up as he reaches land, gets out of downed state and circles around back to the ruins.

A solution might be to just remove the instant healing when you get to the surface / on land, if a player successfully rises to the surface he should be allowed to bandage himself after a cooldown ends (like on land), but not before.

Good idea, sir.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

I don't personally mind the downed state outside the thief teleport. That one is fairly ridiculous. A poster even started a thread about that and the downed state in general over in the gaming forum. However, maybe they do need to reassess it in PvP because it appears a lot are bothered by it or maybe finetune it is a better way of putting it. There were some good suggestions in that thread. Least I thought so anyways.

The water portion most certainly needs revamped at the very least.

 

 

I think most people have given up trying to "Finish Him!" on a thief. Which is just bad design imo. I mostly just stick my phantoms on him and go about my business. Very annoying and anti-fun.

Underwater battles were some of the funnest fights I've had in DAOC.

I hope they do the mechanic right.  Going from above water to under water in DAOC without a pause in the action was awsome.  It added a totally different element to PvP and added extra escape options....sometimes ;)

If I roll a ranger, ima getting me a Shark!

Looking forward to trying this Underwater PVP.

1) Experienced player are not phased by the Downed state. Even underwater, it really should be a simple matter to swim to them and finish them off. I do think that your movement speed should be drastically reduced, because right now you move fast enough that it's possible to avoid the Finish just by moving. 

2) This is absolutely vital for people to learn: YOU CAN SET YOUR UNDERWATER HEAL/UTILITIES/ELITES INDEPENDENTLY OF YOUR LAND SET! Please, please do this! You'll swap between loadouts automatically when you go between land and sea. As a corrolary, there is a lake in the Mists. Practice with your underwater set so you know wtf your skills do.

3) The underwater cap point and the sharks aren't the only thing this map has going for it. There's also a pirate cannon on the platform overlooking the ship, but you need to load it with cannonballs that you collect from the ship (one cannonball = 5 shots, of course...). It's not quite as powerful as the trebuchet, but you can aim it much more easily. It hits almost all of the land areas in the map. Also you can find beer bottles on the top deck of the ship that grant you a few seconds of invulnerability. 

Haven't gotten to try the underwater combat yet.  But, I have to say that I don't feel the downed state adds anything of value to the game.  Personally, it annoyed me greatly and I would rather just be dead and respawn.

The author's frustration seems to stem from his overwhelming internal need to "Kill" players. I'm not saying whether this is good or bad, not my point. What I'm saying is that it is not 'the' point of sPvP. The point is to win the match. The match is won by controlling points. This is far and away more important than killing other players. If you down a player that was trying to contend for the underwater checkpoint, and the result is him tediously swimming away to safety, then well done! Mission accomplished, now stay at the point and secure it. Don't swim after him frustrated that you didn't get your ego stroke point. You've already done what your team needed for the team to be successful. A reprioritization of the player's personal objectives is all that is needed to embrace and thoroughly enjoy team warfare. It's not about the individual statistics, it's about the team victory.