Originally posted by mmoluva

Originally posted by D3lit3

60$ is a lot in today's day and age. Now, I understand people usually counter this with the fact that that 60$ will bring more entertainment and value for a much longer time than other things, making it a good investment.

 

 

 

You aren't paying for a game good or bad. 

You are paying $60 for population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dt5Nf7ct5c

Seriously though, that is all you say on any topic GW2 related, and you have that non-sense of a video in signature with a bunch of adults who cant seem to leave the 90s behind and use some proper language, can you atleast be productive and explain your self?

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by D3lit3

That is exactly my point. As soon as people started waking up and calling these games on their BS, everyone just goes "troll, lock.". And then the game rolls around and the cynics are right EVERY SINGLE TIME. 

 Correlation does not imply causation.

Also, people hated WoW and EVE, and they seem to be doing fine.

So it's not even 100% correlation.

Just because there have been a lot of crappy games with cynics and criticisms does not mean that cynics and criticisms automatically mean there is a crappy game.

Except in WOW's case, they are minority. You cannot argue with WOW's numbers. The casual hordes love that game... period. 

Also, WOW (and the expansions) tend to be universally acclaimed by proffesional game reviewers.

HOWEVER, this applies to nearly every major mmo the past few years - they are ALWAYS and generally, pretty good games. 

Guild wars 2 will not be stranger to this pattern, people are looking for the perfect game that does not exist and probably will not exist in our lifetime. 

 

Except in WOW's case, they are minority. You cannot argue with WOW's numbers. The casual hordes love that game... period. 

We'll see soon enough whether casuals have been "loving" WoW, or if they've just been putting up with WoW until something significantly better for them comes along.

Originally posted by Adiaris

The only reviews that interest me are my own opinions or those of a very select number of people I've gamed omver the years...

Re: your last paragraphi, seems to me you just like FPS. Personally, I don't want my mmorpgs to play like fps et all. That's not why I play them.

/agree   I want to play mmorpg games not mmofps games.

Don't expect reviews until the game is released. Any review prior to release would be a waste of time reading as "this will change on release".

Theres nothing wrong with waiting for a review but in todays MMO gaming world almost every company offers free betas for players to check out the product and kick the tires for a bit so you pretty much have an idea if purchasing the game is worth it to you or not. For me personally I do not wait for reviews and do not play most of the betas, if the concept interest me enough I will give it a go for 3 months good or bad and decide from there. The one beta I did play this year was GW2 and I really enjoyed it, it just seemed to have everything I was looking for in a game for my busy real life schedule, not to mention being buy to play with no sub I won't feel the pressure of other sub based games with the need to keep up with everyone else, just log on do my thing with my guildies and progress at my own pace.

I don't understand these posts.

"I don't like the way this game looks.   I want all of you to defend it against my perception."

There have been thousands of games that didn't interest me, that I didn't like the look of, or the feel of.   What I did was ignore them and look for something else.   I certainly didn't seek people out on each game and ask them why I should play it.   Life's too short.

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by Teh_Axi

Originally posted by D3lit3

Thoughts?

I think you're ridiculously opinionated and ignorant, you dismiss things and belittle them just because they don't fit into your very limited view of what is "right". You past judgement on games you obviously have never played then look down those that enjoy them and act like that is perfectly ok, this entire post is just a testament to how small minded you are.

To answer your question however, no you won't like this game.

 

Please dismiss everything good I said about GW2, and how I acknowledge it is a good game. I belittle the combat because, in comparison to other games that I have played, it is lackluster. Simple.

How do you know the combat is lackluster?  Per your own words you have not played it yet.  So again how do you know the combat is lackluster?  [mod edit]

When I first read your post, I figured, this is a player that does not like themepark games but yet he wants to know if he will like a themepark game.  [mod edit]   If you dislike themepark games, they why would you care about knowing more information about a themepark game?  

Also Mount and Blade combat is not better than GW2 combat.  I have PLAYED BOTH.  Skyrim was also a very simple and easy game, no thinking required to beat that game, just follow what the NPCs tell you to do and you will win the game. (not a bad thing but funny people like you see it as sandbox and not what it really is, a themepark without rails)

Mount and Blade combat is easy after you learn how the combat works, it is button mashing like you said you hate but clearly you do not if you like M&B combat.  Sure you do not have a skill bar but you do nothing but click your mouse botton to block or attack over and over again while moving around to avoid being hit.  Hmmm sounds like GW2 combat to me and again I have played GW2 and know how the combat works, you do not.

Is GW2 the end all be all MMORPG? Nope

Is GW2 for everyone?  Nope, you are clearly not who this game was made for. (You also have no idea what kind of game you want but that is another story)

Guild Wars 2 will be my home for many years after playing the beta's and stress tests.  $60 for even a month worth of entertainment is beyond a good deal.   Lets forget the fact that $60 is nothing in today's world, shit $60 is what it cost to fill up my car when its on E. 

after playing MMO's for 10+ years now I haven't played an MMO for more then 1 week in over a year now.

I've been burned out on traditional theme parks for tooooo long now.  When I left RIFT a year ago I looked at this game as my last chance on the Genre before I pack "gaming" away and just move into FPS's.

I did my research and watched all available videos'.  I also learned that I could get a refund of my full pre purchase if I chose.

So with nothing to lose I decided to give it a shot to prove it for myself.  Other recently releases this year have been completely worthless to me and a waste of my time so I was a little worried this would be too.  160+ hours later and I've never in 15 years been this excited about a game....  So am I waiting for any more reviews / combat appeal?  nope I've proven to myself that no other game offers anything remotely close to what Guild Wars 2 offers.  Combat is challanging and rewarding and at levels 30+ it definitely becomes more coordinated oriented.  

The game is the only game heading in the right direction and provides an appeal to everything I love about Themeparks, Sand Boxes (which when they add player housing and guild halls will make me happier) as well as PvP.

If you can't figure out for yourself if this game is for you by all the video's in Aerowyns collection stickied thread then like others have said, this genre is probably not for you and or you are burned out and beyond repair.

Sad thing is a lot of people are burned out and blaming the game instead of giving the game credit for what its doing they are over simplifying and over catergorizing the great things ANET is accomplishing with this game. I'm not saying your doing this but so many people who are complaining about this game for the most part aren't providing much valid argument that doesn't fit into major issues of the game.  What I mean is most people I see complaning can't recognise for themselves they are just done and instead are trying to demand the game be something it isn't and then call it same ol same ol...

I was burned out and thankfully I wasn't beyond return, I'm excited that I have a game to play and one I can definitely see myself enjoying for 6 months to a year along side other FPS games coming soon.

Originally posted by Justsomenoob

I don't understand these posts.

 

"I don't like the way this game looks.   I want all of you to defend it against my perception."

There have been thousands of games that didn't interest me, that I didn't like the look of, or the feel of.   What I did was ignore them and look for something else.   I certainly didn't seek people out on each game and ask them why I should play it.   Life's too short.

It's more like

"I don't like the combat of this AAA game. I want all of you to join in and kill the hype train once and for all because it is affecting developers ability to make GREAT legendary games. Not good.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by Teh_Axi

Originally posted by D3lit3

Thoughts?

I think you're ridiculously opinionated and ignorant, you dismiss things and belittle them just because they don't fit into your very limited view of what is "right". You past judgement on games you obviously have never played then look down those that enjoy them and act like that is perfectly ok, this entire post is just a testament to how small minded you are.

To answer your question however, no you won't like this game.

 

Please dismiss everything good I said about GW2, and how I acknowledge it is a good game. I belittle the combat because, in comparison to other games that I have played, it is lackluster. Simple.

How do you know the combat is lackluster?  Per your own words you have not played it yet.  So again how do you know the combat is lackluster?  Oh right you do not, you are just a hater.  Plan and simple.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

You should try some common sense and logic for once in your life.  Clearly you do not have either as of now.

When I first read your post, I figured, this is a player that does not like themepark games but yet he wants to know if he will like a themepark game.  Now I know why.  You lack common sense and logic.   If you dislike themepark games, they why would you care about knowing more information about a themepark game?  

Also Mount and Blade combat is not better than GW2 combat.  I have PLAYED BOTH.  Skyrim was also a very simple and easy game, no thinking required to beat that game, just follow what the NPCs tell you to do and you will win the game. (not a bad thing but funny people like you see it as sandbox and not what it really is, a themepark without rails)

Mount and Blade combat is easy after you learn how the combat works, it is button mashing like you said you hate but clearly you do not if you like M&B combat.  Sure you do not have a skill bar but you do nothing but click your mouse botton to block or attack over and over again while moving around to avoid being hit.  Hmmm sounds like GW2 combat to me and again I have played GW2 and know how the combat works, you do not.

Is GW2 the end all be all MMORPG? Nope

Is GW2 for everyone?  Nope, you are clearly not who this game was made for. (You also have no idea what kind of game you want but that is another story)

Guild Wars 2 will be my home for many years after playing the beta's and stress tests.  $60 for even a month worth of entertainment is beyond a good deal.   Lets forget the fact that $60 is nothing in today's world, shit $60 is what it cost to fill up my car when its on E. 

Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.

Originally posted by D3lit3
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game. 

It's utterly flawed, the funniest part is I actually think you believe that. 

Originally posted by mmoluva

Originally posted by D3lit3

60$ is a lot in today's day and age. Now, I understand people usually counter this with the fact that that 60$ will bring more entertainment and value for a much longer time than other things, making it a good investment.

 

 

 

You aren't paying for a game good or bad. 

You are paying $60 for population.

 I aint one to miss a party... Good or bad your friends will be there at 10 to pick you up... 

Originally posted by D3lit3

I guess you're right. That does not mean however that GW2 aspects do not appeal to me...the whole cooking gem craffting exploration thing is mind-boggling. I wouldn't mind just cooking all day long and looking for plants. If only the combat wasn't the majority of the focus...

Here's a thought... why not do just that?  Step out of your normal routine in these games and be the only guy who leveled a character to 80 primarily from gathering/cooking.  Just as you said, there's not much else to play right now anyway.

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by slowpoke68

I'm going to give it a month or couple of months to see what people are saying...at least that is my plan.  You never know, I may pick it up on a whim at the last minute.

I had preordered and played in a couple of BWE's but cancelled.  It may be that I was just burned out on gaming though...so I am keeping an open mind.

Personally I hope it suceeds as I would love a good pvp game to play and I love a lot of the concepts and ideas. 

When I played though, I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt too much like a console game to me.

Also, call me skeptical but I can't help but wonder if these forums will look like SWTOR's, AoC's, WAR's etc. etc. etc. a couple of month from now.  Remember they were all the end all and be all once too.

That is exactly my point. As soon as people started waking up and calling these games on their BS, everyone just goes "troll, lock.". And then the game rolls around and the cynics are right EVERY SINGLE TIME. 

PAST PERFORMANCE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS

Seriously though, some people will have this reaction. Some people will also be incredibly bummed they missed the "awesome launch period" (note: this is true whether there actually is an "awesome launch" or not).

One important difference between previous releases and GW2 is many of us have already put in well over 100 hours with the game and are basing our impressions/views/feelings on that. I remember SWTOR and TSW and the large number of posts from both Closed and Open Beta Testers crying "Beware, Beware!!!" who were often shouted down by the fanbois.

Where are those many CBT posts for GW2? Simple they don't exist because so many have actually played the game without any NDA. GW2 will certainly not be "the perfect game" for everybody but expect it to do well, very well, because it does deliver on what it promised to for many of us.

OP - I feel for you. It sounds like your tastes aren't "mainstream" and that definitely sucks when looking for a game (especially an MMO since their development costs and chance of failure are so high). There are several people who knowing their tastes I have specifically recommended to them that they stay away from GW2 because it just isn't the style of game they like. Hopefully Archeage, Salem, or The Repopulation are looking good to you?

One reason I truly hope GW2 is successful is because they did take some risks and not make another WoW Clone. I really want that success to carry throughout the industry giving other companies to try new, well-thought-out designs that appeal more to "Sandboxers" as well as other types of gamers.

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Yeah, you probably are.  Most of us realize that reviews these days arent reviews so much as paid puff pieces.

They can't be critical of a product when their revenues is dependant upon advertising dollars from the same companies producing those products.  So reviews = useless.

 

Yes I agree. I am waiting on honest and mostly user and youtube reviews, not IGN etc...

 

I gotta say though that the environments in GW2 are simply amazing. 

Well most users have already played the game and rate it very highly, if you still can't commit to purchasing the game then i guess this game is just not for you. Gamers are such drama queens it's a game not a life choice, buy it play it like it or hate it.

Originally posted by Teh_Axi

Originally posted by D3lit3
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game. 

It's utterly flawed, the funniest part is I actually think you believe that. 

Not after watching 1 or 2 videos, mind you.

If a person cannot tell what a game will be like after watching 50+ videos on it, they should be admitted to a hospital. The only thing I have no authority to judge is possibly fluidity and animation, but when I know every location and dungeon for the first 20 lvls by heart why should I play the game? Do you think I'll suddenly form an opinion because I am the one walking or running? The gameplay and graphics will be the exact same.

So... just... wait for the reviews?

Based on what you said (and how you interpret the videos you have watched), it doesn't look like you'll like the game even if the metascore is like 9+. Honestly, you should probably just move to another game that you might like more.

There are games I will wait for review on, and ones that have my money at hello.  There are also games I back on Kickstarter such as The Repopulation.

 Guild Wars 2 had my money the day pre-purchase started and I was willing to gamble we would have a fun game here.  The way ArenaNet took care of their Guild Wars community was stellar, and while that game wasn't for everyone, it was quality for it's day.  Still is a great little game to tool around in for cheap as hell, even today.  I was thinking last night they could almost put it in a browser and stick it on Facebook or the iPad.

Originally posted by D3lit3

 

How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game. 

 

Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.

Using the same logic you don't need to ever actually take a vacation, just look at pictures from other people's vacations. Ahhhh smell that ocean air! You don't even need to bother with buying groceries, just look at a picture of a Big Mac until you're not hungry anymore (which can actually work but not because you're full, just nauseated)

Originally posted by D3lit3

Originally posted by Teh_Axi

Originally posted by D3lit3
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game. 

It's utterly flawed, the funniest part is I actually think you believe that. 

Not after watching 1 or 2 videos, mind you.

If a person cannot tell what a game will be like after watching 50+ videos on it, they should be admitted to a hospital. The only thing I have no authority to judge is possibly fluidity and animation, but when I know every location and dungeon for the first 20 lvls by heart why should I play the game? Do you think I'll suddenly form an opinion because I am the one walking or running? The gameplay and graphics will be the exact same.

You can't get a feel for a game by just watching videos of it, it is always different once you experience it from your own point of view. i thought tera looked amazing in the videos i watched but playing it for myself wasn't even half as good. That's like saying i know what sex is like because i've watched porn.