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General Discussion  » EA officially determines sub based games are dead.

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  tiefighter25

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OP  8/22/12 1:11:06 PM#1

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/22/ea-coo-maintains-confidence-in-bioware/

According to EA the sub based model is dead. Perhaps this occured on Feb. 29th of 2012? In which case leap years are bad for sub based MMO's? I'm not sure, EA didn't go into details but they have exit surveys which definitively proove their assertion.

In all seriousness, it's spin statements like this, and their subsequent industry media bylines and articles that keep an unhealthy ammount of ire and discussion going about this title.

  grimal

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8/22/12 1:14:05 PM#2
It's about time the big studios started admitting what many have known for some time.  This declaration is a win-win for all.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  Distopia

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8/22/12 1:14:46 PM#3
Dead? who knows, but there's a lot of cheaper competition out there for sub based games, and that competition will only get tougher when games like GW2, PS2, EQNext, etc release.

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  User Deleted
8/22/12 1:15:40 PM#4
It don't belive its dead, but it is very hard for less then awsome games to charge it. You must have a product that is superb in retaining players. If you don't have that your better off with cash shop so you can get a much larger audience to spend a little over time.
  Torvaldr

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8/22/12 1:16:11 PM#5

The pure sub-based model *is* essentially dead.  There is no major game title out right now that offers a pure sub-based payment option.  The closest is Lineage, but it is no longer available in the West.  The next would be EVE, but they also sell Isk so that isn't a pure sub model either although with "free" content updates it is close.  RIFT, WoW, and all the rest offer microtransaction content to supplement the subscription.

I didn't really get that they said subscription is "officially dead".  I don't see any of their other subscription games heading towards F2P.  Do you?

 

  Kyleran

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8/22/12 1:20:45 PM#6

They've misunderstood their exit interviews.  They assume that 40% won't pay a subscription, I maintain most of them will (since it really is a small amount of money) if the content is worth the buyers time.

Apparently they failed to deliver on engaging long term content, but don't seem to realize it yet.

Don't worry, when people don't stick around for the F2P version either, they'll understand the real issue.

 

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  User Deleted
8/22/12 1:22:46 PM#7

Sub based single player online game was dead cold  before it was even born,many people said that and much more people didnt believe.

 

 

 

  tiefighter25

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OP  8/22/12 1:23:34 PM#8
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The pure sub-based model *is* essentially dead.  There is no major game title out right now that offers a pure sub-based payment option.  The closest is Lineage, but it is no longer available in the West.  The next would be EVE, but they also sell Isk so that isn't a pure sub model either although with "free" content updates it is close.  RIFT, WoW, and all the rest offer microtransaction content to supplement the subscription.

I didn't really get that they said subscription is "officially dead".  I don't see any of their other subscription games heading towards F2P.  Do you?

 

They didn't state is verbatim, but they did heavily immply that subscription based games are done and furthermore that this was the overriding reason why SWTOR is underperforming.

  Creslin321

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8/22/12 1:25:35 PM#9

Denial.

SWTOR couldn't have possibly failed because it wasn't a very good game...it HAD to be the business model, that's the ticket!

If the sub model were dead, WoW would not still have like 8 million active players.

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  theAsna

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8/22/12 1:34:30 PM#10
Originally posted by Kyleran

...

Don't worry, when people don't stick around for the F2P version either, they'll understand the real issue. 

 

Well. Some can only learn the hard way.

 

SWTOR isn't that bad a game. But it's neither flesh nor fish. They included the gear treadmill like in other MMOs, but forgot to add those little things people expected (e.g. pazaac, swoop races, non-railed space, etc.). On the other side, despite the good story telling, they didn't have the time or resources to add those little things that truly make a single player CRPG more than just a hack&slash (e.g. more NPCs to interact with for lore / informations, different NPCs to not make the game world feel so static, KOTOR has shown what could have been done with the hacking skill, etc. ).

  Kyleran

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8/22/12 1:35:29 PM#11
Originally posted by Creslin321

Denial.

SWTOR couldn't have possibly failed because it wasn't a very good game...it HAD to be the business model, that's the ticket!

If the sub model were dead, WoW would not still have like 8 million active players.

Shhh.... don't bring factual evidence into our hyperbole filled discussions. 

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  User Deleted
8/22/12 1:36:56 PM#12

And  a bit more,they do have interesting combat system just because there is so many actions per character and you allmost need every single one of them in battle and it can make fighting quite interesting,BUT if its played by casual player ,lets say he presses buttons once per 2 seconds or maybe even uses mouse to use actionbars,he wont see the difference,BUT if he presses 3 times per second or is very fast in actions anyway ,it will cut actions and get global cooldown but actions wont launch he gets ability delays,its something that people dont see even in worst free to play games.

 

  Naevius

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8/22/12 1:37:36 PM#13
If 40% of people cited subscription as a reason for leaving SWTOR... 60% gave a different reason. :)
  Havekk

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8/22/12 1:38:39 PM#14

This is just dangerous for a guy like me who has some disposable income. I play a ton of "free" games on my iPad with cash shops and I OVERWHELMINGLY spend more money in cash shops then I ever would on a $15 a month sub. 

 

It's obviously not a problem for everyone and as long as I can control myself, it will be better for me also... issue is.. I can't...LOL. 

  Teala

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8/22/12 1:39:00 PM#15
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Creslin321

Denial.

SWTOR couldn't have possibly failed because it wasn't a very good game...it HAD to be the business model, that's the ticket!

If the sub model were dead, WoW would not still have like 8 million active players.

Shhh.... don't bring factual evidence into our hyperbole filled discussions. 

Exactly.   Subscription based games are not dead.   Look at EVE, people that play EVE and pay for two and three accounts at a time?   Subscription based games are not dead.   The only reason so many games fail is not because they have a sub...it is because they are bad games.   

  Vesavius

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8/22/12 1:39:15 PM#16
Originally posted by Creslin321

Denial.

SWTOR couldn't have possibly failed because it wasn't a very good game...it HAD to be the business model, that's the ticket!

If the sub model were dead, WoW would not still have like 8 million active players.

 

And Rift wouldn't still be healthy and actively and robustly developing on an ongoing basis.

 

I have said the same as you do here before... I am bored of the revenue model being used as a scapegoat for bad games.

 

EA can suck my nut sack though tbh. Whatever they say I tend to believe the opposite is true.

  GeezerGamer

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8/22/12 1:39:23 PM#17

Has someone told EA there is a difference between a dead game and a dead business model?

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  Nephaerius

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8/22/12 1:40:20 PM#18

It's not just SWTOR here.  EA is also the publisher for Funcom's TSW and all signs point to the fact that's in the tank now too.

Either way, I actually agree with EA.  There's literally no game I will ever pay a sub for again.  If I had no other options I would rather go without playing an MMO and enjoy all the other games available to me instead.  IMO sub fees simply are not justifiable.  There's nothing "better" about MMOs than any other game, they don't require any more electricity or service to run or maintain their servers than huge multiplayer games out there, I'm charged for content in the majority of games as it's released despite having paid for the development of that content with my sub, there are no less bots, there is no less gold spam, communities are not any better.....

This is not a money cost issue.  I have plenty of cash as a grown adult with full time employment and a graduate level of education.  The subscription could be $0.01 and I would still refuse to pay it.  The issue is one of value for my dollar.  I see no benefit from my subscription dollars spent in any game and I have played pretty much any subscription based MMO you can name.  I'm better off playing an MMO without a sub (current quality titles: LotRO, DDO, Fallen Earth, Aion, etc), spending in game the amount I want as I please or not spending at all, and meanwhile spending the $15 sub money on a new Steam game every month.

This is clearly all my opinion, but for me and others like me there's simply no suitable justification for a sub in 2012. 

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  Anireth

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8/22/12 1:40:39 PM#19
Well, at least it wasn't piracy that "killed" SWTOR. Blaming it on the payment model is a refreshing idea.

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  Teala

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8/22/12 1:40:55 PM#20
Originally posted by Naevius
If 40% of people cited subscription as a reason for leaving SWTOR... 60% gave a different reason. :)

I'll wager that most of that 40% said something like "I cannot justify paying a subscription for this single player game."

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