it's hilarious that some1 acutally invested $10,000 into this game before even seeing an alpha version. 

If anything this game should win the most effective marketing campaign to actually raise 45k based on smoke screen.  

Obviously all those who invested in this game are BAD investor.  

Come to think of it, I should go mock a up fake website and promising a phantom mmo and see how much i can scam.  Better yet, I would even promise them a return on their investment just like Madoff :P

I always find it remarkable that out of the woodwork, a member of mmorpg.com for many many years with two whole posts, dedicates one of their posts to trolling a game they're clearly not interested in.

It's been said over and over again however I'd like to confirm that the kickstarter is something the community wanted us to do and we are very grateful for their help.

To innovate you need to take risks. I've gladly made an investment into the project and I'll never regret doing so. I've only ever committed what I'm happy to commit and I'm having a blast watching the game develop.

I am in a more privileged position though being able to see detailed designs, models and art ahead of time but I think I'd still be pretty keen if I didn't ;)

As to whether it is a scam or not as with any kickstarter project there is no way to know ever. The could simply take the money pay their mortgage and go on to get a job that pays a regular salary.

I thought about donating to the kickstarter program but multiple things stopped me.

#1 There is no way for us to know how far along the project is and whether the game will live up to the devs descriptions or whether they are capable of producing said game. Examples of how hype did not meet reality - Vanguard, Dark and Light and many other games.

#2 the rewards for donating to the program were to me skimpy at best in a relative sense - If i am donating $200+ dollars to a nebulous progject I would expect to see something like a lifetime premium subscription offered. Instead you get a few months and some ingame currency thing. They do offer garaunteed access to all stages of testing - IE Alpha on up to release and other such incentives.

#3 related to #1 and not knowing what the game actually is and what state it is in I would rather buy a publicly traded stock option of some sort or even a short to medium term bond that has the potential to repay extra if the game is a success. I would gladly invest in a number of games out there that appear to be what I want in the hopes that the money invested will allow the devs to actually make the game I want instead of what a publisher perceives will generate the most revenue in the market. Even privately traded stock where we can buy a portion of the company and get a return(IE dividend) after the game is released.

I know there are a lot of gamers out there with real jobs and a decent amount of money that would be willing to drop 10 or 20 bucks on a project to fund it if they had some form of gaurantee that a successfull project would pay them back in some form or fashion.

What kind of level of commitment do they show by asking for donations? Donations are for non-profitable organizations and projects like charity, modders making  free mods, etc.

What they need is a bank loan or find an investor like any other legitimate business. And if they can't find any of that then you're better off buying youself an ice cream than donating to these guys.

Originally posted by GreenishBlue
I don't think it's a scam, but  by the time the game is released (2016 lol) this game may become vaporware and if it manages to see the light, it will be another Darkfail, MortalFail, etc. with a small group of gankers in a massive ghost town virtual world.

Originally posted by SanHor

What kind of level of commitment do they show by asking for donations? Donations are for non-profitable organizations and projects like charity, modders making  free mods, etc.

What they need is a bank loan or find an investor like any other legitimate business. And if they can't find any of that then you're better off buying youself an ice cream than donating to these guys.

 

 

 

 

 

It's not scam but I wouldn't get high hopes. If you bother reading bios of makers I fail to see any example of MMO project that they been part. Infact most is just babbling how they like games etc. Stuff that always makes me smile:

"Now, with the fantastic support of leading software company Havok " -means we bought Havok license, wau

Havok engine costs about 10k$ if you believe what people write in forums plus 7,5k$ for Raknet leaves them with 7,5k$ for rest of stuff. Ofc they don't need to pay those now since both allow rather flexible licensing. Ofc employing one person for year costs nearly 50k$ so software is cheap.

Overall this feels like Mortal Online again. Inexperienced team, high hopes, using new tools, pushing tools to limit and over, very limited budget and aiming very small but demanding customer group.

Just because any US citizen can run for President doesn't mean they should; just because anyone has what they think are great ideas for a game doesn't mean they should all be making video games.

I'm not trying to "crash the party", but I think every once in a while a dosage of reality is in order. I do have a few questions for EoC devs though...

1. Have you guys secured a publishing company for your prototype?

2. Has the publishing company demonstrated enough interest in your game?

3. Have you guys considered taking a loan in order to fund the development of the prototype? If you guys aren't willing to take a risk for your own game, why should we?

Cheers!

Originally posted by Sasami

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Havok engine costs about 10k$ if you believe what people write in forums plus 7,5k$ for Raknet leaves them with 7,5k$ for rest of stuff. Ofc they don't need to pay those now since both allow rather flexible licensing. Ofc employing one person for year costs nearly 50k$ so software is cheap.

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Did you not see how much they got from KS? 10k+7.5k+7.5k = 35k, leaving another ~10k you didn't account for.

Originally posted by sammandar

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1. Have you guys secured a publishing company for your prototype?

2. Has the publishing company demonstrated enough interest in your game?

3. Have you guys considered taking a loan in order to fund the development of the prototype? If you guys aren't willing to take a risk for your own game, why should we?

Cheers!

1. The prototype is being built to secure such financial support.

2. I have no way of knowing this, but they have said they've already turned down an investor(s?) because they wanted to make the game free to play.

3. A loan? What was the Kickstarter for then? Also, until the Kickstarter, it was the Dev's paying out of pocket. A few of them are already doing this full time (for free), so don't tell me they aren't willing to take a risk.

Originally posted by Thradok

Originally posted by Sasami

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Havok engine costs about 10k$ if you believe what people write in forums plus 7,5k$ for Raknet leaves them with 7,5k$ for rest of stuff. Ofc they don't need to pay those now since both allow rather flexible licensing. Ofc employing one person for year costs nearly 50k$ so software is cheap.

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Did you not see how much they got from KS? 10k+7.5k+7.5k = 35k, leaving another ~10k you didn't account for.

They only asked for 25k$ thats why I counted for that. Again even with this extra cash leaves open who pays the human cost? I find it weird that they needed to ask 25k$ for tools yet they have enough money to support 150k$/yr for life costs of 3 people. Or are they working this as hobby besides real jobs?

Also keep mind that KS takes like 10% or something.

Originally posted by Sasami

Originally posted by Thradok

Originally posted by Sasami

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Havok engine costs about 10k$ if you believe what people write in forums plus 7,5k$ for Raknet leaves them with 7,5k$ for rest of stuff. Ofc they don't need to pay those now since both allow rather flexible licensing. Ofc employing one person for year costs nearly 50k$ so software is cheap.

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Did you not see how much they got from KS? 10k+7.5k+7.5k = 35k, leaving another ~10k you didn't account for.

They only asked for 25k$ thats why I counted for that. Again even with this extra cash leaves open who pays the human cost? I find it weird that they needed to ask 25k$ for tools yet they have enough money to support 150k$/yr for life costs of 3 people. Or are they working this as hobby besides real jobs?

Also keep mind that KS takes like 10% or something.

All volunteer at the moment, with over 50 people contributing at last count. 2 have no other job, one is doing 8 hours after his day job. Most people are putting in several hours a day after their normal job. Once an investor is secured they will hire as many people as they can full time.