Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. 

Sorry, GW2 is made for people who like games, not for mmorpg assisted chronocide.

One of their tenets is that they respect their players time, which means that they have to disrespect those who are masochistic with their own.

Originally posted by gieger808

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by GamerUntouch

Legendaries/Dungeons.

 

Is it this hard to research the game?

And cosmetics, large-scale PvE, traits, skills, etc, etc.  Heck, there's doing new zones you haven't gone to, since you get scaled down so they aren't trivial.

To the OP:

And if the gameplay isn't fun...then why do you want a bribe to keep playing?  I'd rather the Devs learned the game wasn't fun so they could fix it or just quit.  Who the heck wants to be bribed in the game to keep playing something that is fundamentally not fun for them anymore?  No thanks.

For what it is worth, there are lots of games that keep a large following that don't need to bribe their players.  MMOs have used bribery to maintain subs, not because that's the only way to have a game that lasts.

"Fun" is a word that I didn't want to use. It's too highly subjective. Fun for me is deep systems and rewards for achievment that progress and improve my character. A participation award may be good enough for some, but I want meaningful rewards for my efforts. Rewards that set me apart from others.

Skill won't do it?

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. 

Sorry, GW2 is made for people who like games, not for mmorpg assisted chronocide.

One of their tenets is that they respect their players time, which means that they have to disrespect those who are masochistic with their own.

This is silly. Someone likes to grind, improve his/her char, and it s masochistic? Just because you dont like it, doesn t make it wrong. I have said a million times, GW2 is a good second, even third game. When all you re doing is killing for not really anything except the sake of killing, to me is redundant and boring. Does it mean the game isn t fun, no, for alot it isn t , but to me it s ok.

Saying GW2 is made for people that likes games is well, stupid. WoW is just as much a game as GW2 is, as is Rift, and AC, DAOC, etc etc. It s just that people have differing opinions. Funny how that works hey.

Originally posted by Leucent

This is silly. Someone likes to grind, improve his/her char, and it s masochistic? Just because you dont like it, doesn t make it wrong. I have said a million times, GW2 is a good second, even third game. When all you re doing is killing for not really anything except the sake of killing, to me is redundant and boring. Does it mean the game isn t fun, no, for alot it isn t , but to me it s ok.

Saying GW2 is made for people that likes games is well, stupid. WoW is just as much a game as GW2 is, as is Rift, and AC, DAOC, etc etc. It s just that people have differing opinions. Funny how that works hey.

Fortunately, there's some sense of order and objectivity to things people usually consider subjective: art, beauty, fun, etc.

For game design you can essentially consider this a basic, unalienable truth: if a game values wasting your time more than making you enjoy your time, it's a bad game. Those who enjoy it do so for a reason other than it being a good game. That reason is masochism, best I can tell.

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by Leucent

This is silly. Someone likes to grind, improve his/her char, and it s masochistic? Just because you dont like it, doesn t make it wrong. I have said a million times, GW2 is a good second, even third game. When all you re doing is killing for not really anything except the sake of killing, to me is redundant and boring. Does it mean the game isn t fun, no, for alot it isn t , but to me it s ok.

Saying GW2 is made for people that likes games is well, stupid. WoW is just as much a game as GW2 is, as is Rift, and AC, DAOC, etc etc. It s just that people have differing opinions. Funny how that works hey.

 

Fortunately, there's some sense of order and objectivity to things people usually consider subjective: art, beauty, fun, etc.

For game design you can essentially consider this a basic, unalienable truth: if a game values wasting your time more than making you enjoy your time, it's a bad game. Those who enjoy it do so for a reason other than it being a good game. That reason is masochism, best I can tell.

Once again it comes down to the individual. You call it wasting your time, others call it progressing their chars. In other words they enjoy it, and it s fun. You re saying if it s a time waster to you it must be for everyone else.

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. I need meaningful things to work for after level cap. I worry that GW2 doesn't have that.

If GW2 claims to have gotten rid of the gear/item grind, it needs to replace it with something. The "carrot on a stick" concept exists for a reason. It's what keep people playing once the mechanics of the game get old.

After the shine of the combat system wears off, there isn't much left to the game.

I need more character development than just simple cosmetics and pets.

 

Do I have the wrong impression of GW2? Are my expectaions too high for GW2? Am I expecting a action MMO to be more like a MMORPG?

 

I WANT to like GW2. Help me understand if I'm wrong. I need a mmo home! lol

You need WoW to be your MMO home.  Your expectations are too obscure for GW2.   This game does NOT need a carrot, because a carrot is for mindless people that follow shinny objects.  This game has more. 

• More character development with it's personal stories and ties into the game's world
• More mini-games for things outside normal questing.
• More crafting that allows full character progression based on just crafting.
• More sieges and giant PvP raids against large groups of players over a castle.
• More world exploration.
• More lively cities.
• Just more.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by Leucent

This is silly. Someone likes to grind, improve his/her char, and it s masochistic? Just because you dont like it, doesn t make it wrong. I have said a million times, GW2 is a good second, even third game. When all you re doing is killing for not really anything except the sake of killing, to me is redundant and boring. Does it mean the game isn t fun, no, for alot it isn t , but to me it s ok.

Saying GW2 is made for people that likes games is well, stupid. WoW is just as much a game as GW2 is, as is Rift, and AC, DAOC, etc etc. It s just that people have differing opinions. Funny how that works hey.

 

Fortunately, there's some sense of order and objectivity to things people usually consider subjective: art, beauty, fun, etc.

For game design you can essentially consider this a basic, unalienable truth: if a game values wasting your time more than making you enjoy your time, it's a bad game. Those who enjoy it do so for a reason other than it being a good game. That reason is masochism, best I can tell.

Once again it comes down to the individual. You call it wasting your time, others call it progressing their chars. In other words they enjoy it, and it s fun. You re saying if it s a time waster to you it must be for everyone else.

And why aint getting the best looking armor with the perfect allocated stats combination considered progressing your chars again?

You have plenty of things to waste your time on in guild wars 2, just that doing so or the pixels you happen to get wont make you better then anyone else only playing the game and learning your class will help you there.

GW2 really has brought about interesting discussiion about "playing" a game.  Thousands of games existed before mmos where there were no carrot, no reason to play other than fun and concquiering new challenges.  

I remember when mmos were first thought of. I simply imagined them to be a place that felt like a traditonal rpg where thousands of people also played and helped with quests and adventures.  It never materialized inot that.  I remember the first time i saw an MMO. 

I twas everquest. My friends two brothers were playing it as we played dungeons and dragons (tabletop).  The two brothers weren't role playing in any way, they were just ganking people ... and this was adventure to them.

I couldn't help but wander when this could and would evolve into a video version of what we were doing.  It just never happened.  

Originally posted by Siphaed

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. I need meaningful things to work for after level cap. I worry that GW2 doesn't have that.

If GW2 claims to have gotten rid of the gear/item grind, it needs to replace it with something. The "carrot on a stick" concept exists for a reason. It's what keep people playing once the mechanics of the game get old.

After the shine of the combat system wears off, there isn't much left to the game.

I need more character development than just simple cosmetics and pets.

 

Do I have the wrong impression of GW2? Are my expectaions too high for GW2? Am I expecting a action MMO to be more like a MMORPG?

 

I WANT to like GW2. Help me understand if I'm wrong. I need a mmo home! lol

You need WoW to be your MMO home.  Your expectations are too obscure for GW2.   This game does NOT need a carrot, because a carrot is for mindless people that follow shinny objects.  This game has more. 

• More character development with it's personal stories and ties into the game's world
• More mini-games for things outside normal questing.
• More crafting that allows full character progression based on just crafting.
• More sieges and giant PvP raids against large groups of players over a castle.
• More world exploration.
• More lively cities.
• Just more.

Overall the game is a fun experience.  However, if you cannot see that without a carrot, please do yourself and everyone a favor and not play the game.

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. I need meaningful things to work for after level cap. I worry that GW2 doesn't have that.

If GW2 claims to have gotten rid of the gear/item grind, it needs to replace it with something. The "carrot on a stick" concept exists for a reason. It's what keep people playing once the mechanics of the game get old.

After the shine of the combat system wears off, there isn't much left to the game.

I need more character development than just simple cosmetics and pets.

 

Do I have the wrong impression of GW2? Are my expectaions too high for GW2? Am I expecting a action MMO to be more like a MMORPG?

 

I WANT to like GW2. Help me understand if I'm wrong. I need a mmo home! lol

Well...grind for power isn't what GW2 offers, but it has PLENTY of (map) goals to look forward to:

http://gw2.mmorpg-life.com/img/map_pois//CaledonForestpoiVistaimageGw2120120720210657837.jpg

If this doesn't interest you, then move on I guess.

How about an area that will take you roughly 35 minutes to get through, get a chest drop, AND a Karma Vendor.  Oh the only way to get back to that particular Karma Vendor?  Redo the WHOLE area.  Seems like a carrot and stick kind of thing to me.

Originally posted by Lokberg

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Sythion

Originally posted by Leucent

This is silly. Someone likes to grind, improve his/her char, and it s masochistic? Just because you dont like it, doesn t make it wrong. I have said a million times, GW2 is a good second, even third game. When all you re doing is killing for not really anything except the sake of killing, to me is redundant and boring. Does it mean the game isn t fun, no, for alot it isn t , but to me it s ok.

Saying GW2 is made for people that likes games is well, stupid. WoW is just as much a game as GW2 is, as is Rift, and AC, DAOC, etc etc. It s just that people have differing opinions. Funny how that works hey.

 

Fortunately, there's some sense of order and objectivity to things people usually consider subjective: art, beauty, fun, etc.

For game design you can essentially consider this a basic, unalienable truth: if a game values wasting your time more than making you enjoy your time, it's a bad game. Those who enjoy it do so for a reason other than it being a good game. That reason is masochism, best I can tell.

Once again it comes down to the individual. You call it wasting your time, others call it progressing their chars. In other words they enjoy it, and it s fun. You re saying if it s a time waster to you it must be for everyone else.

And why aint getting the best looking armor with the perfect allocated stats combination considered progressing your chars again?

You have plenty of things to waste your time on in guild wars 2, just that doing so or the pixels you happen to get wont make you better then anyone else only playing the game and learning your class will help you there.

I m not saying for me, I m simply saying some people need more. Gear is so easy to come by in GW2, it won t be an issue a month or 2 into the release. Look I could care less who plays GW2 and who doesn t, but for people to say, if you don t like GW2 style gameplay, you don t like games, and are a masochist, because other gamesyles aren t fun, is stupid, and ignorant.

Just be happy you won t have alot of those people in your beloved GW2 game, and they ll probably see you in their game of choice in a few months anyways. I myslef bought GW2 for literally it s WvW, could care less about the rest, I find the pve extermely lacking. Does it make it a bad game pve wise, nope, but for me it does. See what I did there, it s opinions, not fact.

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. I need meaningful things to work for after level cap. I worry that GW2 doesn't have that.

If GW2 claims to have gotten rid of the gear/item grind, it needs to replace it with something. The "carrot on a stick" concept exists for a reason. It's what keep people playing once the mechanics of the game get old.

After the shine of the combat system wears off, there isn't much left to the game.

I need more character development than just simple cosmetics and pets.

 

Do I have the wrong impression of GW2? Are my expectaions too high for GW2? Am I expecting a action MMO to be more like a MMORPG?

 

I WANT to like GW2. Help me understand if I'm wrong. I need a mmo home! lol

Well...grind for power isn't what GW2 offers, but it has PLENTY of (map) goals to look forward to:

http://gw2.mmorpg-life.com/img/map_pois//CaledonForestpoiVistaimageGw2120120720210657837.jpg

If this doesn't interest you, then move on I guess.

Aw, I was so impressed! Then I read the last line. Couldn't help but be nasty, eh?

Thanks for the link though. It's good info.

Originally posted by gieger808

 

"Mindless" is a bit harsh. I like "shinny" stuff. One could say that a game featuring combat just for the sake of combat is mindless.

 

Don't get me wrong, the combat looks great. I can imagine solo and group content would be a blast. At first. Then I'll be like, "and why am I doing this?". The novelty wears off, as it must, and all one is left with is repetition with no reward.

if you look more into GW2 it offers more things to "strive for" than most any other MMO out there. But if your only goal is to get more powerfull gear to curb stomp lowbies than no it doesn't offer that..:)

Originally posted by funyahns
If you want to do gear treadmill then you will not like this game.

yeah... it's sort of the obvious statement, but time and time again anet has said that they're steering away from grinds, treadmills, and carrots. they want you playing if you're having fun. if you're not... well, you should probably be looking somewhere else.

Originally posted by gieger808

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by gieger808

I need grinds. I need meaningful things to work for after level cap. I worry that GW2 doesn't have that.

If GW2 claims to have gotten rid of the gear/item grind, it needs to replace it with something. The "carrot on a stick" concept exists for a reason. It's what keep people playing once the mechanics of the game get old.

After the shine of the combat system wears off, there isn't much left to the game.

I need more character development than just simple cosmetics and pets.

 

Do I have the wrong impression of GW2? Are my expectaions too high for GW2? Am I expecting a action MMO to be more like a MMORPG?

 

I WANT to like GW2. Help me understand if I'm wrong. I need a mmo home! lol

Well...grind for power isn't what GW2 offers, but it has PLENTY of (map) goals to look forward to:

http://gw2.mmorpg-life.com/img/map_pois//CaledonForestpoiVistaimageGw2120120720210657837.jpg

If this doesn't interest you, then move on I guess.

Aw, I was so impressed! Then I read the last line. Couldn't help but be nasty, eh?

Thanks for the link though. It's good info.

How exactly is it "nasty" to suggest that you should move on if you are not interested in what the game offers you?  To me it seems like pretty solid advice.  I mean, the alternative is to keep playing something that does not interest you.  Now THAT sounds nasty to me.

Originally posted by Badaboom
I ate the carrot. 

So it was YOU!

I'm telling.