Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Have you ever tried to tank something when there's no threat table?

Considering threat is proximity based, I'd imagine you make sure you're the closest one to the enemy? As the guardian did in this video.

Even if all threat is proximity-based, that doesn't work if there are other melee in the group.  It's also really stupid to sit still and take hits when you can move around and AVOID hits.  So what you see is someone on an easy dungeon speccing to be able to take a lot of damage, and sacrificing a lot of other things he could be doing.  That sacrifice is going to hurt in tougher situations where you should be avoiding a lot of the damage anyhow and the loss of DPS will be noticed more.

Originally posted by gieger808

So I haven't played any of the beta, but from the footage I've seen, there IS a trinity. Lots of classes (if not all) have a healing and tanking "spec".  As I watch some of the dungeon running I see people falling into those roles. 

It really caught my attention during a run PC Gamer did. I don't have the Youtube link handy, but you could probably find it.

 

no guys he's right. there is a trinity. the trinity... is within you. no but seriously. every character is the trinity. they can tank a bit, heal enough, and do good dps. and they all have support skills. you are your own walking group. you can even chat to yourself!

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Have you ever tried to tank something when there's no threat table?

Considering threat is proximity based, I'd imagine you make sure you're the closest one to the enemy? As the guardian did in this video.

Even if all threat is proximity-based, that doesn't work if there are other melee in the group.  It's also really stupid to sit still and take hits when you can move around and AVOID hits.  So what you see is someone on an easy dungeon speccing to be able to take a lot of damage, and sacrificing a lot of other things he could be doing.  That sacrifice is going to hurt in tougher situations where you should be avoiding a lot of the damage anyhow and the loss of DPS will be noticed more.

He's taking significantly less damage than others would take, reducing the stress on them.  He's wearing plate and a shield.  He is causing the boss to focus on him to let the others DPS and Support.. This sounds remarkably familiar. Oh yea, he's a tank.

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Have you ever tried to tank something when there's no threat table?

Considering threat is proximity based, I'd imagine you make sure you're the closest one to the enemy? As the guardian did in this video.

Wrong. The mob AI will decide which enemy they will attack, and while the basic dumb animal mob may indeed often attack the closest target, smarter humanoids or other intellingent beings will definitely not do that at all.

Then how is it the guardian in this video is tanking in a level 50 dungeon? I'd imagine by that level the AI would kick in enough to not let that happen, but watch the video. The boss just stands there hitting him.

He's not tanking... he's following the mobs because he's melee specced. How the hell do you want him to damage the mobs without being near them?

Originally posted by gieger808

So I haven't played any of the beta, 

 

Stopped reading there.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Have you ever tried to tank something when there's no threat table?

Considering threat is proximity based, I'd imagine you make sure you're the closest one to the enemy? As the guardian did in this video.

Wrong. The mob AI will decide which enemy they will attack, and while the basic dumb animal mob may indeed often attack the closest target, smarter humanoids or other intellingent beings will definitely not do that at all.

Then how is it the guardian in this video is tanking in a level 50 dungeon? I'd imagine by that level the AI would kick in enough to not let that happen, but watch the video. The boss just stands there hitting him.

He's not tanking... he's following the mobs because he's melee specced. How the hell do you want him to damage the mobs without being near them?

Did you watch the boss fights?

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Did you watch the boss fights?

Yes. And I've been (among other games) playing a tank as main in WoW for like 7 years too. I don't see anything even remotely close to tanking as we see it in threat based holy trinity games in that video. All I see is a plate wearing melee staying close to the mobs because, well, that's the play style of a melee... =P

There's an enormous difference between a game that says:

1)  you basically have to have dedicated tanks and healers or your group will be ineffective, or

2)  you can try being a dedicated tank or healer if you want to, but it won't work very well.

The former is a trinity game and the latter is not.

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Have you ever tried to tank something when there's no threat table?

Considering threat is proximity based, I'd imagine you make sure you're the closest one to the enemy? As the guardian did in this video.

Even if all threat is proximity-based, that doesn't work if there are other melee in the group.  It's also really stupid to sit still and take hits when you can move around and AVOID hits.  So what you see is someone on an easy dungeon speccing to be able to take a lot of damage, and sacrificing a lot of other things he could be doing.  That sacrifice is going to hurt in tougher situations where you should be avoiding a lot of the damage anyhow and the loss of DPS will be noticed more.

He's taking significantly less damage than others would take, reducing the stress on them.  He's wearing plate and a shield.  He is causing the boss to focus on him to let the others DPS and Support.. This sounds remarkably familiar. Oh yea, he's a tank.

Yes, and when you solo you can stand still and let mobs hit you too.  That doesn't make it a good idea.  Essentially what we are seeing here is group of players trying to jam in a HT strategy by forcing everyone but one guy to go range and then speccing hard towards healing/tanking.  The problem is that they'll be sacrificing a lot of damage potential to do this, when if you just play smart you can avoid a lot of damage by moving out of the way of attacks.  You can tell how inept the play is by the fact they just stand there and get hit.

They're in a storyline 5-man, which means it is EASY.  I'd note the comments on the video where people talk about how the trash mobs are worse than the bosses.

think these say it better  than anything but take it how you will

No Trinity?!

Ep. 10 HD: Holy Trinity

View of the Holy Trinity

Stopped reading at "so I haven't played any of the betas."

Why do people want to talk about that which they know not? Stupidity>facts in today's society.

Can we get a lock down on this thread please? Completely useless.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

think these say it better  than anything but take it how you will

 

No Trinity?!

Ep. 10 HD: Holy Trinity

View of the Holy Trinity

 Answered my question, thanks :)

The holy trinity in GW2 is:

Variation

Innovation

Cooperation

There might not be a hard trinity in GW2, but there are options when building a char to beef defense, or beef up healing, and so forth. Not to mention some classes, not all, have spammable abilities that heal, some others have stuff that are very tanky etc. There might not be trinity in GW2 but I can guarantee there will be specific professions and builds sought after into dungeon crews, to lean at least a bit toward a specific role.

Personally I dont find this to be a problem, it's only natural when you attack that forest troll that the guy in platemail charges into melee and will take some hits while the squishy clothie tries to stay behind working on the special effects.

Even though your wrong in the OP because there isn't a trinity in GW2, I would like to say there is no trinity in my blood.

*Can now sleep better*

No but honestly I believe the first page got it down pact.

That Dungeon looks like Story Mode content, and since that's supposed to be a cakewalk the trinity is viable. I don't think this will be the same case in Explorable Mode.

Originally posted by Feridlyin

Originally posted by Aerowyn

think these say it better  than anything but take it how you will

 

No Trinity?!

Ep. 10 HD: Holy Trinity

View of the Holy Trinity

Thank you for showing us the unbiased light.  Just like in your last 3000+ positive GW2 posts in the last 6 months. Sometimes people claim posters are on a forum working for a gaming company to promote the product. I hope you are getting paid for your work, because otherwise that's a lot of wasted time. 

On a more serious note, all of these videos talk about how there is no main healer in GW2. None of them say anything about no tank. They say anyone can tank but rather than show it, they show level 1 areas and random fight scenes. 

I'm not saying GW2 has the holy trinity. It doesn't work in the tank/dps/heal way. But you are still going to have someone tanking the mobs, you are still going to have people DPSing the mobs, and you are still going to have someone supporting the party (whether it be healing or condition removal).

There is no tank in GW2 lmao, sheesh. You can't tank if 1 the mobs don't agro and 2 you can't get the a boss to focus on you and only you.

Damn. why does everyone who talk out the ass about a trinity never go to the beta with 5 guys and try to do the trinity.

It's already been attempted and fail how many failures does it take?

You guys be easy, peace.