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  glomma63

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OP  8/12/12 10:58:23 AM#1

Hi all :)

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You

  DaezAster

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8/12/12 11:00:29 AM#2
Isn't it free 2 play? Why not try it out....
  AG-Vuk

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8/12/12 12:43:37 PM#3
Originally posted by glomma63

Hi all :)

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You

Answering your question , no. There is no mechanic availible to even remotely institute something like that.

  BattlesA

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8/12/12 12:49:59 PM#4
They will let you build your own starbase. You will need a fleet for it though.
  ThreeSixty

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8/12/12 7:10:54 PM#5

The only "discoveries" in STO would be role-playing related... and you'd have to do all the imaginary work yourself.  There are diplomatic missions in random star clusters which are ostensibly "first contact", so if you have an active imagination you can assume you discovered a new race/planet/civilization, but it won't have any impact on the rest of the game, or even on your own character's development.  But, it is a discovery.  Sorta.

To be fair to STO (as much as possible, anyway), no game is probably going to be able to deliver that "zomg awesome" factor of discovery anymore, since anything discovered or any optimized strategy is immediately posted to a dozen wikis and discussed on multiple forums (fora?).  The blessing/curse of a post-Warcraft society.

edit: typo

  Burntvet

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8/13/12 9:33:21 PM#6

You can explore the world of crooked Chinese RMT lockbox gambling tho...

Since that is about the only new thing to go into STO in the last year...

Even "free", this game is a rip-off...

 

  anothername

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8/14/12 5:31:06 AM#7
Originally posted by glomma63

Hi all :)

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You

Kind of. Nearly every sector has a cluster/nebula exit to a map wich generates "unknown Systems". These are randomly constructed out of a pool of maps; missions, encounters. So you'll never know what will happen when entering one of those. Could be a simple scan some space anomalys mission or a defend a colony against some randomly generated enemies or something completly different. While the pool of random stuff is big enough to entertain for some time it will get stale after a while. Rumor has it that this exploration will get revamped at some time between now and the end of all times.

But as has already been said: Its free to play. So see for yourself ;)

  MadDemon64

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8/17/12 7:40:51 AM#8
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
Originally posted by glomma63

Hi all :)

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You

Answering your question , no. There is no mechanic availible to even remotely institute something like that.

That is a straight up lie.  There are certain areas, such as the Delta Volanis cluster, that allow for a form of exploration where you find anomalous readings and scan them to either find crafting materials or systems where you can do ground missions that give a beter sense of exploration than the rest of the game (for example, in one mission you are scanning a previously undiscovered floral life form on a planet, and in another one, you come across a distress call from people beseiged by Klingongs).  Its not much, but it is the closest you are going to get outside of the foundry (which is highly recommended if and only if you play the better reviewed foundry missions).

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  Boneserino

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8/17/12 7:50:29 AM#9

Its definitely not what I would call an explorers game.  Much more of an action shooter with roleplaying elements I think.  Everything is explored through scenarios, basically.  

I'm not knocking the game, I quite enjoy it for what it is.  Ship battle is its best feature I think.

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  MadDemon64

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8/17/12 9:33:37 AM#10
Originally posted by Boneserino

Its definitely not what I would call an explorers game.  Much more of an action shooter with roleplaying elements I think.  Everything is explored through scenarios, basically.  

I'm not knocking the game, I quite enjoy it for what it is.  Ship battle is its best feature I think.

Agreed on the ship battle part, but honestly, can we call Star Trek an "explorers show"?  Mostly its interspecies politics.  Most discoveries come in the form of "how the politics of one species, while different than ours, is not better or worse than ours" or "how to use photon torpedoes to stabalize a dying sun".  The true discoveries you are talking about are actually very rare, with the exception of Voyager.  Unlike the other Star Trek series, Voyager was 100% exploration and discovery, since it was in the unexplored/unmapped Delta Quadrant (yes there was combat, but it had more exploration and discovery than almost all of the other series put together).

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  ThreeSixty

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8/17/12 3:27:46 PM#11
Originally posted by MadDemon64

Agreed on the ship battle part, but honestly, can we call Star Trek an "explorers show"?  Mostly its interspecies politics.  Most discoveries come in the form of "how the politics of one species, while different than ours, is not better or worse than ours" or "how to use photon torpedoes to stabalize a dying sun".  The true discoveries you are talking about are actually very rare, with the exception of Voyager.  Unlike the other Star Trek series, Voyager was 100% exploration and discovery, since it was in the unexplored/unmapped Delta Quadrant (yes there was combat, but it had more exploration and discovery than almost all of the other series put together).

You're exactly right on this point, but the OP is saying that the advertisements suggest you are "exploring the galaxy", when... there's not really anything to discover.  So it's a bit misleading, because it's just playing off Star Trek's marketing tag of "going where no man has gone before" without any real validity.  It's all been discovered long before you logged in.  I'm not bashing Cryptic on that; just saying that the OP is not going to get a full-on exploration game even though it's suggested by the advertising.

This is where Cryptic really missed the boat in my opinion, and your point sort of highlights it for me.  Star Trek the series (pick any one) wasn't about phaser diplomacy.  It was about what you said - politics (usually in the form of allegory to current events) and science (even if the science was a bit sketchy at times).  But the game is primarily a Star Trek combat simulator.  Initially, it was beam down, phaser some Nausicaans, beam up, shoot down their ships.  Move on to phasering Orion Syndicate members.  New sector, phaser Romulans and Remans.  Phaser some Cardassians.  Phaser the Borg.  They've made a few improvements over time - Memory Alpha isn't completely awful anymore and the duty officer system is pretty cool - but at its core the game is still combat-based (as Boneserino said), where Star Trek isn't supposed to be.  It raises a somewhat different question - why do so many MMOs expect combat to be 90+% of a player's play time, and should it be?  But I'm already too far off-topic as it is.

Space combat is still fun, even 2+ years on (it was hilariously fun back when viral matrix lasted something like 30 seconds and disabled enemies completely).  Bioware could take a few lessons from it.

  Cacaphony

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8/17/12 3:38:49 PM#12


Originally posted by MadDemon64

Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Originally posted by glomma63 Hi all :) The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ? cos i would realy love that :)   Thank You
Answering your question , no. There is no mechanic availible to even remotely institute something like that.
That is a straight up lie.  There are certain areas, such as the Delta Volanis cluster, that allow for a form of exploration where you find anomalous readings and scan them to either find crafting materials or systems where you can do ground missions that give a beter sense of exploration than the rest of the game (for example, in one mission you are scanning a previously undiscovered floral life form on a planet, and in another one, you come across a distress call from people beseiged by Klingongs).  Its not much, but it is the closest you are going to get outside of the foundry (which is highly recommended if and only if you play the better reviewed foundry missions).

No, its not a straight up lie because there is no true exploration going on. How is going to the Delta Volanis, or any "exploration sector" to be given scan 5, kill 5, or give provisions to the aliens that just happen to know you are Starfleet missions, exploration? You cannot chart the sector, you cannot see a planet and scan it,you cannot go to it and beam down, you cannot do anything that really speaks to exploration. You fly around in a dark box looking for a "unknown system" where the inhabitants of that system know exactly who you are.

So, I think Vuk had it right. You cannot explore. You can only play the minimal, bare bones static "genesis" content that cryptic inserted into those systems and never seems to change or improve much, if at all.


  ShardWarrior

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8/17/12 9:17:11 PM#13


Originally posted by Burntvet


You can explore the world of crooked Chinese RMT lockbox gambling tho... Since that is about the only new thing to go into STO in the last year... Even "free", this game is a rip-off...



Originally posted by Cacaphony


No, its not a straight up lie because there is no true exploration going on. How is going to the Delta Volanis, or any "exploration sector" to be given scan 5, kill 5, or give provisions to the aliens that just happen to know you are Starfleet missions, exploration? You cannot chart the sector, you cannot see a planet and scan it,you cannot go to it and beam down, you cannot do anything that really speaks to exploration. You fly around in a dark box looking for a "unknown system" where the inhabitants of that system know exactly who you are. So, I think Vuk had it right. You cannot explore. You can only play the minimal, bare bones static "genesis" content that cryptic inserted into those systems and never seems to change or improve much, if at all.  


 

What they said.

  AG-Vuk

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8/19/12 9:33:29 AM#14
If you do the explore missions enough times , you'll notice  :
 
  1. There is a limited map number.
  2. The only changes are in colors and and scenery
  3. The mission parameters vary very little.
But yes, I'm lying . If you doubt it, go play for yourself. Also the genesis mission generator is a carry over from CoX .  Which people will remember as being just as creative.

  sumdumguy1

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8/19/12 9:36:06 AM#15
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
If you do the explore missions enough times , you'll notice  :
 
  1. There is a limited map number.
  2. The only changes are in colors and and scenery
  3. The mission parameters vary very little.
But yes, I'm lying . If you doubt it, go play for yourself. Also the genesis mission generator is a carry over from CoX .  Which people will remember as being just as creative.

Good points.  My experience was this game back then and somewhat recently was "giving men headaches like never before."  Such an enormous disappointment for me as a huge Star Trek fan.

  Cacaphony

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8/19/12 10:52:04 AM#16


Originally posted by AG-Vuk
If you do the explore missions enough times , you'll notice  :   [*] There is a limited map number. [*] The only changes are in colors and and scenery
The mission parameters vary very little.


Exactly. How many times do we have to beam down and "access the first computer". Huh, guess I have to run down multiple corridors to "access the second computer." Access 5 computers? Yeah, this is really fun "exploring".

  Nitth

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8/19/12 11:08:25 AM#17


Originally posted by glomma63
Hi all :)

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You


EvE.

Has what your looking for and is far superior to STO.


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  anothername

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8/20/12 5:53:37 AM#18
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by glomma63
Hi all :)

 

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You

 


 

EvE.

Has what your looking for and is far superior to STO.

"To get ganked where no man has been ganked before" :P

But seriously: When was the last time you landed on a planet in EvE and enjoyd the scenery?

It is a very good game if it come to complex PvP with politics and all that + it looks pretty. But PvE there sucks beyond infinity.

  Agent_Joseph

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8/20/12 6:07:16 AM#19
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by glomma63
Hi all :)

 

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You


 

EvE.

Has what your looking for and is far superior to STO.

yes , EVE  ,I played 5 years without break & my corp mates give me title  ,,Explorer, , I think I am spend half gameplay time on exploration...I am find awesome  strange   sites , was stucked in wormhole too ...ah memories,memories...

 

STO is not bad game but  cryptic missed point of ST universe , exploration

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Boneserino

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8/20/12 7:41:44 AM#20
Originally posted by JosephJR
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by glomma63
Hi all :)

 

The adds for this game say "explore the galaxy " are there any actual exploring like finding planets or maybe aliens ?

cos i would realy love that :)

 

Thank You


 

EvE.

Has what your looking for and is far superior to STO.

yes , EVE  ,I played 5 years without break & my corp mates give me title  ,,Explorer, , I think I am spend half gameplay time on exploration...I am find awesome  strange   sites , was stucked in wormhole too ...ah memories,memories...

 

STO is not bad game but  cryptic missed point of ST universe , exploration

You can't be serious suggesting EVE as an exploration game!!??  I mean cmon, the only exploration in EVE is watching the pretty pictures go by as you fly to your next rock!  

Things must be getting pretty desperate over there, if you are trying to entice people to EVE in this manner.   Probably a shortage of new cannon fodder or mining grunts in the game, would be my guess.

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