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  User Deleted
8/19/12 12:00:16 PM#21

It isn't arena.net trumpetting the game beyond its expecations, it's the fans. GW2 will be a good game, but it will not sustain a worthwhile buzz to have any sort of effect on the MMO industry, hence it will fall into obscurity and be considered a failure. ESPECIALLY with a WOW expansion right ahead of it and SWTOR going F2P, and THEN the slew of F2P titles right after that.

 

There will be a buzz for about a a week or two, then its back to WOW for most people, and then the slew of games that are coming in the fall. 

 

Frankly the hype train needs to derail and blow up. The perfect game does not exist. Enjoy what you got, it may be missing some things but its fun for awhile, and thats all that a game could hope for.  

 

  Nadia

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8/19/12 12:02:01 PM#22
I expect GW2 to be a strong chrismas seller -- but we will see
  Aerowyn

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8/19/12 12:02:36 PM#23
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

that hype was years ago and it was just dev hype.. but after all the BWEs and the thousands of hours of footage by players on the actual game I dunno how you can still call what's out there now just hype..   not sure how you can't see the difference between the two

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  snapfusion

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8/19/12 12:02:50 PM#24
Originally posted by surfer88
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

what is failing to you and failing to me is probably two different things... GW1 isnt by any means a game sought after by everyone but it does have a player base... i have no fear GW2 will do just fine ... even if it doesnt apply to you and the type of players like you who dont like the game, i understand you guys are scared. It's something refreshing to play after the long repetitive years we've had of the same type of other mmo's... im not asking for it to last forever... nothing lasts forever but i do feel it will be the best $60 I've spent in a long time and i actually feel like im getting more than my moneys worth over the next few years.

This game will do fine for what it offers I agree, but there are too many things missing from this game that other games currently offer or that future games will definetly have.  But I will have fun playing it for a long time since I can pop in and out when I feel like some PvP.

  GamerUntouch

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8/19/12 12:03:33 PM#25
Originally posted by kalrhael

GW2 will be a good game, but it will not sustain a worthwhile buzz to have any sort of effect on the MMO industry

 

I don't know, looks like TESO is already taking some things from GW2.

  bookworm438

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8/19/12 12:16:36 PM#26
Originally posted by snapfusion
Originally posted by surfer88
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

what is failing to you and failing to me is probably two different things... GW1 isnt by any means a game sought after by everyone but it does have a player base... i have no fear GW2 will do just fine ... even if it doesnt apply to you and the type of players like you who dont like the game, i understand you guys are scared. It's something refreshing to play after the long repetitive years we've had of the same type of other mmo's... im not asking for it to last forever... nothing lasts forever but i do feel it will be the best $60 I've spent in a long time and i actually feel like im getting more than my moneys worth over the next few years.

This game will do fine for what it offers I agree, but there are too many things missing from this game that other games currently offer or that future games will definetly have.  But I will have fun playing it for a long time since I can pop in and out when I feel like some PvP.

What's missing?

Guild Halls/Player Housing -- Planned for post-release

Mounts -- Probably will never happen, but who knows. 

Dungeon finder -- I hope this never makes it into the game. A simple LFG will work. 

So in your opinion, what's missing in this game? (Remember this, the game isn't necessarily missing it. It's just your opinion of a feature you look for in a game)

  Bad.dog

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8/19/12 12:18:29 PM#27
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

It will change the fact that  2-3 million people will be playing GW2 next weekend in gamer bliss and it won't change the fact that  folks like you will still be posting and crying on the forums

  toddze

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8/19/12 12:32:12 PM#28
Originally posted by surfer88
Why people try to use the excuse that GW2 is on some sort of "hype" train. Everything I've read about GW2 putting in their game was always in game before i found out about it. They made sure they could do it before they released info about it to the public.  There is no CGI trailers for commercials, no talking bad about other games... ANET is just working on their game and trying to put something new on the market of old. people need to stop using the "hype train" excuse... people are hyped because they are finally getting something that was promised.

I still do not understand either......

Every single MMO of the past 5 years has been hyped to such high levels by the players. In the end after the honeymoon is over the game just disapears off the face of the mmo world (even though i dont think GW2 will do that because its b2p). I have followed every MMO very close since I quit XI back in 2005. Every single time this has been the case. The honeymoon period is extremly deceptive. I know I have been there. I was there with AoC. I love conan books and lore so naturally I was biased to the game to start with. I still remember playing the beta and the first two weeks, thinking how fun the game was, thinking I was going to play the game a long time, even though it had more bugs than an insect zoo. After a while that new shinny honeymoon starts to wear off then you start realizing what was the best thing since sliced bread wasnt so fun after all. This cycle never ends, last October November early December it was all about TOR, how such a great game it was, the fans were finally getting what they were promised, a deep engaging story where choices mattered. How'd that turn out for them? Same way it will end for Gw2. When the new game feel wears off is when the true test comes.  

People are hyped because its new game. Its too early to know if what was "promised" turns out to be what the players think was promised. 

 

I think GW2 is a decent game. I think it will be a game I might consider getting when there is an expansion for it in a year or 2. For now it doesnt have the content, to hold the majority of peoples attention.

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  User Deleted
8/19/12 12:35:41 PM#29
Originally posted by Baddogbill
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

It will change the fact that  2-3 million people will be playing GW2 next weekend in gamer bliss and it won't change the fact that  folks like you will still be posting and crying on the forums

Then 3 months down the road a lot of them will be gone like every theme park game offers. It is only good for the moment, nothing more.

  Aerowyn

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8/19/12 12:35:46 PM#30
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by surfer88
Why people try to use the excuse that GW2 is on some sort of "hype" train. Everything I've read about GW2 putting in their game was always in game before i found out about it. They made sure they could do it before they released info about it to the public.  There is no CGI trailers for commercials, no talking bad about other games... ANET is just working on their game and trying to put something new on the market of old. people need to stop using the "hype train" excuse... people are hyped because they are finally getting something that was promised.

I still do not understand either......

Every single MMO of the past 5 years has been hyped to such high levels by the players. In the end after the honeymoon is over the game just disapears off the face of the mmo world (even though i dont think GW2 will do that because its b2p). I have followed every MMO very close since I quit XI back in 2005. Every single time this has been the case. The honeymoon period is extremly deceptive. I know I have been there. I was there with AoC. I love conan books and lore so naturally I was biased to the game to start with. I still remember playing the beta and the first two weeks, thinking how fun the game was, thinking I was going to play the game a long time, even though it had more bugs than an insect zoo. After a while that new shinny honeymoon starts to wear off then you start realizing what was the best thing since sliced bread wasnt so fun after all. This cycle never ends, last October November early December it was all about TOR, how such a great game it was, the fans were finally getting what they were promised, a deep engaging story where choices mattered. How'd that turn out for them? Same way it will end for Gw2. When the new game feel wears off is when the true test comes.  

People are hyped because its new game. Its too early to know if what was "promised" turns out to be what the players think was promised. 

 

I think GW2 is a decent game. I think it will be a game I might consider getting when there is an expansion for it in a year or 2. For now it doesnt have the content, to hold the majority of peoples attention.

how much playing time and how much information about the game as a whole was out about those games? How much was just dev info and dev videos? Aside from people in the closed betas in all those other games no one put very much time into those games before launch maybe just one stress test weekend or open beta weekend.. not to mention the information let out was very limited. Still don't see how you can't see a difference between this game and the ones of the past 5 years when it comes to this. And in blue it has more content than any other AAA mmo ever at launch and probably more than many that have been around for awhile.

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  Bad.dog

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8/19/12 12:42:37 PM#31
Originally posted by Mephster
Originally posted by Baddogbill
Originally posted by Mephster
I just lvoe how so many since ArenaNet started showing GW2 people said it was goign to change the genre forever. What ? What isn't hype ? Please, it isn't going to change anything. It will be the next theme park game that will fail long term.

It will change the fact that  2-3 million people will be playing GW2 next weekend in gamer bliss and it won't change the fact that  folks like you will still be posting and crying on the forums

Then 3 months down the road a lot of them will be gone like every theme park game offers. It is only good for the moment, nothing more.

Better to have enjoyed the moment ,be it one month or three months or 3 years then sitting on  the side lines having cut off your nose to spite your face ...if the fact that others have fun bothers you it's a sad place you live in and I hope your misery doesn't get too much company .

  Aelious

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8/19/12 1:14:35 PM#32
Too much positivity can draw the ire of certain people who make sure you're tempering it with skepticism. It's projection, isn't your fault and should be ignored unless you feel you have information helpful to them or others that may be reading. Debating is great but it seems recently the point isn't discussion but pesterring a fanbase.

For Guild Wars 2 there is cause for actual hype since it's based upon actual gameplay mechanics, not just cordoned off content featuring the same old mechanics. I'm hyped big time, not blindly and I agree that six days from now you won't see me here much unless I'm on my phone :)
  User Deleted
8/19/12 1:25:44 PM#33

Being constantly bombarded as to the awesomeness of the game and told all other games fail in comparison can get old pretty quickly...regardless of if it is true or not.

 

The excessive zeal of some members of the community actually hurt the game rather than promote it.

  Aerowyn

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8/19/12 1:28:30 PM#34
Originally posted by Psychow

Being constantly bombarded as to the awesomeness of the game and told all other games fail in comparison can get old pretty quickly...regardless of if it is true or not.

 

The excessive zeal of some members of the community actually hurt the game rather than promote it.

very few people on here I have seen say GW2 makes ALL other games look fail.. see WAY more putting out false assumptions/conclusions on a game they have no interest in and never played though.. that is getting old.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Freakrx

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8/19/12 1:31:24 PM#35
Originally posted by eGumball

There´s a different between different kind of hypes .. however, people don´t udnerstand.

 

SWTOR was hyped through the ip.

Diablo 3 was hyped through marketing.

Guild Wars 2 is hyped through players.

 

When people understand the difference, I think we will have a healthy community.

I couldn't have said it better.

 

 

  User Deleted
8/19/12 1:32:53 PM#36
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Psychow

Being constantly bombarded as to the awesomeness of the game and told all other games fail in comparison can get old pretty quickly...regardless of if it is true or not.

 

The excessive zeal of some members of the community actually hurt the game rather than promote it.

very few people on here I have seen say GW2 makes ALL other games look fail.. see WAY more putting out false assumptions/conclusions on a game they have no interest in and never played though.. that is getting old.

 

I agree the false info/hate gets old too. 

  User Deleted
8/19/12 2:12:00 PM#37

From Anet's GW2 Manifesto in August 2010:

Mike O'Brien:


We founded ArenaNet to innovate, so Guild Wars 2 is our opportunity to question everything, to make a game that defies existing conventions.

Node farming. Drag n drop crafting. High fantasy setting. Cash shop in game. Esport pvp. Instanced dungeons. Heart quests. I don't feel these are innovative. I don't feel like they took an opportunity to question everything. Hype.


If you love MMOs, you'll want to check out Guild Wars 2, and if you hate MMOs, you'll really want to check out Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2

So basically, everyone should want to play this game. Hype

Colin Johanson:


...and then when you play the combat in our game, you say 'Wow, that's incredible. I've never seen anything like that...

I have seen this in a lot of games. Hype.


In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. 'I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.' That's great.

That was pretty much my experience with dynamic events. I did remedial tasks hoping to trigger something interesting. Hype.

Ree Soesbee:


As a structure, the MMO has lost the ability to make the player feel like a hero. Everybody around you is doing the same thing you are doing. The boss you just killed respawns ten minutes later. It doesn't care that I'm there.

This one really rings false. Even totalbiscuit complained that events cycled too frequently and within minutes an area that he had been to before was already starting the cycle over again. Hype.


We do not want to build the same MMO everyone else is building, and in Guild Wars 2, it's your world. It's your story. You affect things around you in a very permanent way.

It is a premade story with multiple premade choices. Affecting things around you in a permanent way? That is simply not true and has been confirmed by everyone playing this game. Hype.

I don't hate the game. I'm bringing up these points because they are a counter point to this discussion and felt they needed to be brought up. I'm sure you can reason away every point I made. Doesn't change the fact that this game was indeed hyped up years ago with this viral video by Anet. And not all of the things they claim ring true for everybody.

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

8/19/12 2:16:49 PM#38
Originally posted by Foomerang

From Anet's GW2 Manifesto in August 2010:

Mike O'Brien:


We founded ArenaNet to innovate, so Guild Wars 2 is our opportunity to question everything, to make a game that defies existing conventions.

Node farming. Drag n drop crafting. High fantasy setting. Cash shop in game. Esport pvp. Instanced dungeons. Heart quests. I don't feel these are innovative. I don't feel like they took an opportunity to question everything. Hype.

 

 


If you love MMOs, you'll want to check out Guild Wars 2, and if you hate MMOs, you'll really want to check out Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2

So basically, everyone should want to play this game. Hype

 

Colin Johanson:


...and then when you play the combat in our game, you say 'Wow, that's incredible. I've never seen anything like that...

I have seen this in a lot of games. Hype.

 

 


In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. 'I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.' That's great.

That was pretty much my experience with dynamic events. I did remedial tasks hoping to trigger something interesting. Hype.

 

Ree Soesbee:


As a structure, the MMO has lost the ability to make the player feel like a hero. Everybody around you is doing the same thing you are doing. The boss you just killed respawns ten minutes later. It doesn't care that I'm there.

This one really rings false. Even totalbiscuit complained that events cycled too frequently and within minutes an area that he had been to before was already starting the cycle over again. Hype.

 

 


We do not want to build the same MMO everyone else is building, and in Guild Wars 2, it's your world. It's your story. You affect things around you in a very permanent way.

It is a premade story with multiple premade choices. Affecting things around you in a permanent way? That is simply not true and has been confirmed by everyone playing this game. Hype.

 

I don't hate the game. I'm bringing up these points because they are a counter point to this discussion and felt they needed to be brought up. I'm sure you can reason away every point I made. Doesn't change the fact that this game was indeed hyped up years ago with this viral video by Anet. And not all of the things they claim ring true for everybody.

 

 

you really trying to not understand? in 2010 it was hype.. how is it just hype now after thousands have played the game? after thousands have put tons of hours into the game.. how now there is thousands of hours of gameplay footage on almost every aspect of the game?... I'm just dumbfounded how people can't see the difference in this. Also in red your Home instance does have permanet effects depending on what you do in your personal story. Also some of those others are just your opinions on those aspects of the game nothing more.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  tank017

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Joined: 7/09/06
Posts: 2206

8/19/12 2:19:12 PM#39

I think the only real question mark left is if the game will last players beyond a month or two before they get bored..

 

I know the WvW will keep me entertained,but you never know till we get there.

 

I do know that I probably wont be going back to the DE's I did at level one when Im max level..

 

unless theyre REALLY entertaining,I cant see myself doing that.

  User Deleted
8/19/12 2:23:41 PM#40


Originally posted by Aerowyn
you really trying to not understand? in 2010 it was hype.. how is it just hype now after thousands have played the game? after thousands have put tons of hours into the game.. how now there is thousands of hours of gameplay footage on almost every aspect of the game?... I'm just dumbfounded how people can't see the difference in this. Also in red your Home instance does have permanet effects depending on what you do in your personal story. Also some of those others are just your opinions on those aspects of the game nothing more.

Oh I understand fully. The point of my devil's advocate post is that people have different views of hype because their expectations and interpretations are vastly different. You even said yourself that those were my opinions. Yet you imply that my opinions are wrong and yours are right. Neither are either heh. Same with hype. Hype exists on a person by person basis. And there is no right or wrong answer.
I'm sorry you unwittingly proved my point. My point was never to say GW2 is overhyped. I just said my opinion on the matter. My opinion only. Speaking for myself only. My interpretation of things that Anet said themselves. There is no right or wrong.

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