Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns after is likely to be proven true.  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

his point that WvW will be a flip flopping of 'points' will likely be proven true, especially if, as he said, a server with a high east coast pop takes it, and loses it 'late night' to a west coast dominated server.

and i dont think you know what hyperbole means.

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns after is likely to be proven true.  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

 

his point that WvW will be a flip flopping of 'points' will likely be proven true, especially if, as he said, a server with a high east coast pop takes it, and loses it 'late night' to a west coast dominated server.

 

and i dont think you know what hyperbole means.

What this is called is a slippery slope analogy, it is not a basis for arguing.

Originally posted by Rayshe

not to stand in fire

That's actually (nearly) the only teachable raiding skill.  Drum it into their heads, repeated practice until it sinks in.

Next encounter, prepare to begin teaching it all over again, with a new variant of the same idea.

Originally posted by GamerUntouch

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns after is likely to be proven true.  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

 

his point that WvW will be a flip flopping of 'points' will likely be proven true, especially if, as he said, a server with a high east coast pop takes it, and loses it 'late night' to a west coast dominated server.

 

and i dont think you know what hyperbole means.

What this is called is a slippery slope analogy, it is not a basis for arguing.

 i intend to play this game for a good long time, i just dont think deluding our selves is healthy at all. its a bad tendency of mmo players, to convince themwselves of something without critical thinking (there were people a week before swtor launched still thinking it might, somehow have some sandbox elements)

but you're right, its not worth arguing as it will all play out - for better or worse - very shortly.

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns after is likely to be proven true.  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

 

This quote gives me a lot of hope that people will be roaming around the world:

“We have a live team of designers and artists and gameplay programmers who are going to be flying over the game constantly, dropping content everywhere” Johanson says. “Our goal is that every time you make a new character, you might go back through a map that you played six months ago and you’re going to find completely different content.” New content, he says, will be spread across the whole game rather than concentrated in specific areas. As this happens, the events already in place will be altered to accommodate it.

“You run around Queensdale, the human starter area, and maybe the Brood Mother shows up every X minutes,” Johanson continues. “We’re going to put another event that can happen there, and then slow down how often the Brood Mother happens. Not only are there new events happening, but everything you’ve seen before starts happening less often. The world gets larger and larger. Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

Knowing that new content can show up anywhere, and that the content and gear drops will scale to your level, should contribute to keeping the world lively.

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Zylaxx

just got through reading http://inanage.com/2012/08/16/if-guild-wars-2-succeeds-it-will-be-in-spite-of/

 

This has to be the most stupid and narrow minded blog I've ever read.

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1000+ posts and a 1 sentence troll is all you can contribute to this thread SMH !!!!

Anyways the blog's author seems rather ignorant towards GW2 especially the WvW

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns after is likely to be proven true.  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

 

This quote gives me a lot of hope that people will be roaming around the world:

“We have a live team of designers and artists and gameplay programmers who are going to be flying over the game constantly, dropping content everywhere” Johanson says. “Our goal is that every time you make a new character, you might go back through a map that you played six months ago and you’re going to find completely different content.” New content, he says, will be spread across the whole game rather than concentrated in specific areas. As this happens, the events already in place will be altered to accommodate it.

“You run around Queensdale, the human starter area, and maybe the Brood Mother shows up every X minutes,” Johanson continues. “We’re going to put another event that can happen there, and then slow down how often the Brood Mother happens. Not only are there new events happening, but everything you’ve seen before starts happening less often. The world gets larger and larger. Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

Knowing that new content can show up anywhere, and that the content and gear drops will scale to your level, should contribute to keeping the world lively.

excellent post and an ambitious plan. i hope they keep the ball rolling with it, as well as maybe give us someway to know where these new/random events are occuring.  maybe local npc's in major cities could say "did you hear? the broodmother was seen in queensdale!" or something of that nature " 

I just don't get the hate, its not like I need someone to tell me that a game is bad and sucks big time or is the best game out there. IF a game sucks big time I won't be playing it already because it sucks for me. If you are a gamer who enjoys the game, then keep on playing, you don't need someone to tell you when to play a game or when to stop playing a game.

GW2 was never on my radar, because GW1 wasn't the kind of game I liked when it first released, I tried it and didn't like it. I didn't need someone to tell me that.

I did my research, and GW2 intrigued me, I decided to purchase it after watching some beta press videos, I got in to BWE, and everything that intrigued me was true to their words. I played , enjoyed it, and I will enjoy it some more when its released.

Do I forsee myself playing it a year down the road, I don't know, when I purchased SWTOR, i thought it will last me atleast 6 month, it only lasted for 2 months.

So don't start talking about retention rates, because it can change on a whim, who could have foresaw the impact WOW would have on the culture of MMO's. I sure didn't, I was even one of the firsts to log in when it first came out.

Guess what, all a Game needs to do to keep me as an Player is very simple, it just have to be fun for me to keep on playing.

Whats fun?? who the hell knows, if I log in, and I don't want to log out, then its fun, if i log out and I can't wait to log back in then its fun.

Originally posted by OldManFunk
I didn't click your link but I tend to do so because I drink a lot about once a week.

hahaha :D

We should totally create a giant thread, titled "the MMORPG drunk member rant", where only drunk members would post :p

(yeah because it happens to me too)

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Derpybird

This quote gives me a lot of hope that people will be roaming around the world:

“We have a live team of designers and artists and gameplay programmers who are going to be flying over the game constantly, dropping content everywhere” Johanson says. “Our goal is that every time you make a new character, you might go back through a map that you played six months ago and you’re going to find completely different content.” New content, he says, will be spread across the whole game rather than concentrated in specific areas. As this happens, the events already in place will be altered to accommodate it.

“You run around Queensdale, the human starter area, and maybe the Brood Mother shows up every X minutes,” Johanson continues. “We’re going to put another event that can happen there, and then slow down how often the Brood Mother happens. Not only are there new events happening, but everything you’ve seen before starts happening less often. The world gets larger and larger. Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

Knowing that new content can show up anywhere, and that the content and gear drops will scale to your level, should contribute to keeping the world lively.

excellent post and an ambitious plan. i hope they keep the ball rolling with it, as well as maybe give us someway to know where these new/random events are occuring.  maybe local npc's in major cities could say "did you hear? the broodmother was seen in queensdale!" or something of that nature " 

They actually addressed this in the rest of the article:

ArenaNet will not, however, be drawing players’ attention to new content directly. Johanson believes that it’s important that players have an opportunity to be surprised, something that could be spoiled by sticking an advertisement for a new encounter in the patch notes.

“I think a big part of the sense of immersion and joy in our world is discovery and exploration. It’s going out and seeing what’s around the corner, what’s going to happen. If we can keep that feeling alive every day that you log into the game, I think there’s just something better about that. If we tell everybody what we put in there, they’re going to look for it, find it, and that’s it. I think we would rather have you play and suddenly stumble across it – and for all we know that could have been in there all the time.”

The job of spreading the word about new content will fall, Johanson says, to the community itself. “I would be thrilled if we put that stuff in and within the next two or three weeks people were on the fan forums saying, ‘I found this event – has anyone ever seen this before?’ and everyone starts pouring in to go find it. I think that’s more organic and fun for the community. Everything we do is built on how we get our community to play together and feel better about one another.”

Originally posted by Rayshe

Cant Cure stupid. Think about it, WoW players needed to be told as a Loading screen tip not to stand in fire. and they still did.

 

My old guild leader used to say "screw em, you cant heal though stupid."

lol.   I've heard our guild leader say words to that effect in the middle of raid.   We had it won and were just on the easy, final DPS burn down and there was no need to revive the idiot who got himself killed because he had the stiuational awareness of a rock.

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Pretty funny blog post, playing Angry birds one-handely and all that. Nice. Not that I agree with him, but he's got a right to be concerned about what DE's will mean when you hit cap (only Karma farming I guess).

The long terms appeal of WvW and the effect of timezones. It's probably not a good idea to go with a one-timezone only server. Seems like a valid point.

Not too worried about endgame myself since I'd rather have there be no endgame at all and just have to wait for the expansion than be forced into a stupidly boring gear-grind.

If the post were idiotic it probably wouldn't have brought a few smiles to my face.

Remember that many people are used to handheld, do this, go there, bring me that, follow that arrow kinda questing. When they're in GW2 and just do the hearts they'll have it increasingly harder to tackle the mobs. They've either never known or have forgotten how to explore. They'd be inclined to grind mobs for the levels to the next heart area. If there's lots of people around it could take a while.

He just doesn't get it yet and is really wondering how on earth this is going to work out. Maybe give him some pointers instead of calling him idiotic. I don't think he's writing what he wrote to damage the game.

He's not used to going into the water or into some underwater cave and see if that leads to a new DE because nobody told him to do so. He's used to being told what to do. Try putting yourself in his shoes. GW2 is a bit of a learning curve. You can't expect everybody to have read all the stickied threads before they try a new game.

XP still matters as you still gain skill points each time you fill your bar up past 80. They become some kind of high end currency for the legendary items.

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Derpybird

This quote gives me a lot of hope that people will be roaming around the world:

“We have a live team of designers and artists and gameplay programmers who are going to be flying over the game constantly, dropping content everywhere” Johanson says. “Our goal is that every time you make a new character, you might go back through a map that you played six months ago and you’re going to find completely different content.” New content, he says, will be spread across the whole game rather than concentrated in specific areas. As this happens, the events already in place will be altered to accommodate it.

“You run around Queensdale, the human starter area, and maybe the Brood Mother shows up every X minutes,” Johanson continues. “We’re going to put another event that can happen there, and then slow down how often the Brood Mother happens. Not only are there new events happening, but everything you’ve seen before starts happening less often. The world gets larger and larger. Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

Knowing that new content can show up anywhere, and that the content and gear drops will scale to your level, should contribute to keeping the world lively.

excellent post and an ambitious plan. i hope they keep the ball rolling with it, as well as maybe give us someway to know where these new/random events are occuring.  maybe local npc's in major cities could say "did you hear? the broodmother was seen in queensdale!" or something of that nature " 

They actually addressed this in the rest of the article:

ArenaNet will not, however, be drawing players’ attention to new content directly. Johanson believes that it’s important that players have an opportunity to be surprised, something that could be spoiled by sticking an advertisement for a new encounter in the patch notes.

“I think a big part of the sense of immersion and joy in our world is discovery and exploration. It’s going out and seeing what’s around the corner, what’s going to happen. If we can keep that feeling alive every day that you log into the game, I think there’s just something better about that. If we tell everybody what we put in there, they’re going to look for it, find it, and that’s it. I think we would rather have you play and suddenly stumble across it – and for all we know that could have been in there all the time.”

The job of spreading the word about new content will fall, Johanson says, to the community itself. “I would be thrilled if we put that stuff in and within the next two or three weeks people were on the fan forums saying, ‘I found this event – has anyone ever seen this before?’ and everyone starts pouring in to go find it. I think that’s more organic and fun for the community. Everything we do is built on how we get our community to play together and feel better about one another.”

Even with that, I can already say from experience that their world is so big that even if you know that this event is there, you will most likely get distracted so many times before you even get to that area.

I also just watched Totalbiscuit's video, and he got distracted multiple times just from an escorting quest, that ended up with an Enemy Boss encounter. Distraction is good.

Well I just read the entire OP link and I must say the asinine and idiotic comments read in this thread far outweighs anything the author of said OP link had to say to the extreme.

Said author is merly stating an opinion in a very humorous and witty way. How is he being an idiot actually I agree with about everthing he was trying to convey and if you morons will read his blog in it's entirety it is really well said! Here's a link from the ending that kinda explains his point ...

 ((Copypaste from original blog))

In any case, those are my Guild Wars 2 predictions ten days before the headstart launch. Like I mentioned before, and hopefully you have understood by the title of the post, I am not necessarily predicting GW2′s failure or poor retention or whatever else. It could very well be that the game is a smashing success, breaks the 7th Seal, and ushers us into a dawning Age of eternal bliss. If it does so, it will be in spite of Dynamic Events, WvW, and its endgame, not because of them.

Originally posted by Wrender

Well I just read the entire OP link and I must say the asinine and idiotic comments read in this thread far outweighs anything the author of said OP link had to say to the extreme.

Said author is merly stating an opinion in a very humorous and witty way. How is he being an idiot actually I agree with about everthing he was trying to convey and if you morons will read his blog in it's entirety it is really well said! Here's a link from the ending that kinda explains his point ...

 ((Copypaste from original blog))

In any case, those are my Guild Wars 2 predictions ten days before the headstart launch. Like I mentioned before, and hopefully you have understood by the title of the post, I am not necessarily predicting GW2′s failure or poor retention or whatever else. It could very well be that the game is a smashing success, breaks the 7th Seal, and ushers us into a dawning Age of eternal bliss. If it does so, it will be in spite of Dynamic Events, WvW, and its endgame, not because of them.

But thats opinion based entirely. It's not a fact nor will it be that the game does or doesn't do good because of the DEs, WvW or its endgame. I'm sure people play the game for any one of these reasons or all three even, meaning that it's bringing in buyers for these reasons. Are they all the game offers and the very defining feature of the game, of course not, but they still have an impact on the game, the same with combat, sPvP, "raids", or any number of features in the game. If these don't appeal to you, it doesn't mean that they don't for the entire community. If we had a poll with every single feature that GW2 has to offer, I cant imagine that these ideas would be dead last on the list of what people liked about the game, as I've seen numerous posts of people praising it already.

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by tokini

he makes some good points,

 

 

No he does not.  He makes stupid points which are made to entice negative responses.  His entire argument other then "HEY GW2 ISNT LIKE WOW SO IT WILL FAIL" is complete hyperbole and based on feelings and inuendos instead of facts.

his points that the DE's that have massive participation the first month will be ghost towns [1] after is likely to be proven true.[2]  getting downleveled or sidekicked sp you can do low level stuff is in all likelihood not as appealing to the vast majority of players as some may think it is.

 

his point that WvW will be a flip flopping of 'points' will likely be proven true, especially if, as he said, a server with a high east coast pop takes it, and loses it 'late night' to a west coast dominated server.[3]

 

and i dont think you know what hyperbole means.[4]

1.  Ghost towns -- hyperbole.   Also not likely.   I suggest you consider GW1's sales history, alt-rolling and other factors. 

2.  Likely proven true -- hyperbole and based on the GW1 sales profile and how the players played that game, an assertion far more likely to be proven laughably wrong.  

3. Another 'conclusion' from taken an unrealistic, manipulated position ignoring real-world examples and data.  GW1 sold hundreds of thousands of copies per quarter from the April 2005 release to December 2008 where there had been 5.8 million accounts established.   Accounts.  Unique individuals.    After that, sales slowed down to hundreds of thousands per year because the MMO was no longer in development, but by 2012 over 7 million people had played GW1.   

Bottom line is that GW1 had a very robust sales tail.   There is no particular reason to believe GW2, same sales model, better quality game, won't do the same thing (or better).

4.  Based on what? It's hyperbole -- an over-arching, over-dramatic or exaggerated statement used as a rhetorical device. Which the aritcle's author made and the opinion to which you are responding correctly identified.   And one that you made yourself.

My question is -- do you know what that word means?

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This guy didn't do any true research before writing this.

nuff said