Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.

So what are you saying cause it sounds like your saying this DE is in fact a raid but not and instance raid. Aerowyn posted the deffenition to what a raid is and thats what that DE is its a DE With the elemenets of a raid emcounter fight meaning it takes a group larger than normal group size to bring down a boss that takes between 8 and 40 player to do.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

Originally posted by Treekodar

If I was to raid in this game, I would do it for the challenge, and I would do it with my friends. If these fights are catered towards organized play, it's more than likely going to destroy groups of random people that just so happen to stumple upon a big green dragon taking a stroll on the beach. On the other hand, if it's going to be possible to do without any real communication, it'll more than likely be too easy for my friends and I to do - to really get some fun out of it.

I am really, really hoping that starting around level 40 that these kinds of encounters are going to be increasingly punishing. I'm just as interested in the fail conditions, and people learning how to work together to do these encounters, as I am in beating a zone boss.

I really want to see places like Orr requiring several guilds working together, with unguilded people obviously being able to participate and help. And I THINK that's how it's intended to work, as they want to progressively train the PvE folks to be able to jump into WvW.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

Exactly, why they aren't raid bosses.   There's no mechanics that put the group truely at risk.  If someone screws up, they do it to themselves, and don't have that much (if any) impact on those around them.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

 

Exactly, why they aren't raid bosses.   There's no mechanics that put the group truely at risk.  If someone screws up, they do it to themselves.

really????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG7LjVCj50Y

Originally posted by Derpybird
I am really, really hoping that starting around level 40 that these kinds of encounters are going to be increasingly punishing. I'm just as interested in the fail conditions, and people learning how to work together to do these encounters, as I am in beating a zone boss.

I really want to see places like Orr requiring several guilds working together, with unguilded people obviously being able to participate and help. And I THINK that's how it's intended to work, as they want to progressively train the PvE folks to be able to jump into WvW.

Oh God that would be epic.

I hope none of you roll on my GW2 server.  

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

 

Exactly, why they aren't raid bosses.   There's no mechanics that put the group truely at risk.  If someone screws up, they do it to themselves.

really????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG7LjVCj50Y

Seriously I don't know what the issue is.  Its well known GW2 has no raids, by design.

One min fanbois are praising it for just that, then this.

There's nothing wrong with not having raids.  DE's are just fine, its just more casual orientated.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1088995-Are-there-raids-in-GW2

Originally posted by grapevine

 

 

Seriously I don't know what the issue is.  Its well known GW2 has no raids, by design.

 

One min fanbois are praising it for just that, then this.

 

There's nothing wrong with not having raids.  DE's are just fine, its just more casual orientated.

GW2 doesn't have wow style instanced raids yet every defintion I have ever seen on the word Raids when it comes to gaming shows GW2 has raids.. so we can say all day GW2 does not have wow style instanced raids but don't see how you can say it doesn't have raids period. That's my point.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

 

Exactly, why they aren't raid bosses.   There's no mechanics that put the group truely at risk.  If someone screws up, they do it to themselves, and don't have that much (if any) impact on those around them.

Wait this doesn't make any sense, so if a game doesn't have open world PvP or on a PvE server that means it has no raids? And suddenly when you switch to a PvP server, you have that risk of being pked and then it's a raid? WTF?

GW2 can call these events "pancakes" for all I care as long as my friends and I enjoy them.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by grapevine

Still not a complex raid encounter.    Those mechanics are no more complex than a dungeon boss, in many a game. 

 

Not sure why people are trying to claim GW2 has raids, as its been stated it doesn't.  If you listen to that video, its a DE.

So by your logic, it's only complex if it's in an instance?

 

No, a raid boss does not need to be instanced.   I never said that.   One of the reasons they have become generally instanced is because others would grief the raiders, causing a wipe.

which gw2 does not have that issue

 

Exactly, why they aren't raid bosses.   There's no mechanics that put the group truely at risk.  If someone screws up, they do it to themselves, and don't have that much (if any) impact on those around them.

no they just have mechanics that put the rest of the world at risk in that zone, that's nothing compared to ten people. It's only the zone you know. Everything in GW2 has consquences when you fail an event. don't kid yourself there bud.

Originally posted by Treekodar

Originally posted by Derpybird
I am really, really hoping that starting around level 40 that these kinds of encounters are going to be increasingly punishing. I'm just as interested in the fail conditions, and people learning how to work together to do these encounters, as I am in beating a zone boss.

I really want to see places like Orr requiring several guilds working together, with unguilded people obviously being able to participate and help. And I THINK that's how it's intended to work, as they want to progressively train the PvE folks to be able to jump into WvW.

Oh God that would be epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-YBsK17j6I&feature=related

Endgame  Q&A part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepsdUAJZ0I&feature=relmfu

Endgame Q&A part 2

The way they talk about Orr it does sound like that.

Originally posted by itssantos

GW2 can call these events "pancakes" for all I care as long as my friends and I enjoy them.

mmmm pancakes.. i agree though

Originally posted by yaoming36

 

Wait this doesn't make any sense, so if a game doesn't have open world PvP or on a PvE server that means it has no raids? And suddenly when you switch to a PvP server, you have that risk of being pked and then it's a raid? WTF?

I'm going to stop here, as clearly I'm not communicating with raiders.

It makes perfect sence.   Open world raids used to exist, with complex mechanics.  They moved them to be more instanced because people would grief the raid, causing a wipe.   GW2 has world boss encounters, within DEs.  They have redunced mechanics compared to raid bosses, to provent griefing.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by grapevine

 

 

Seriously I don't know what the issue is.  Its well known GW2 has no raids, by design.

 

One min fanbois are praising it for just that, then this.

 

There's nothing wrong with not having raids.  DE's are just fine, its just more casual orientated.

GW2 doesn't have wow style instanced raids yet every defintion I have ever seen on the word Raids when it comes to gaming shows GW2 has raids.. so we can say all day GW2 does not have wow style instanced raids but don't see how you can say it doesn't have raids period. That's my point.

I'm not saying GW2 doesn't have WoW style raids.  I'm saying it doesn't have raids period.  By your definition every DE is raid, which they clear aren't.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by yaoming36

 

Wait this doesn't make any sense, so if a game doesn't have open world PvP or on a PvE server that means it has no raids? And suddenly when you switch to a PvP server, you have that risk of being pked and then it's a raid? WTF?

 

I'm going to stop here, as clearly I'm not communicating with raiders.

 

It makes perfect sence.   Open world raids used to exist, with complex mechanics.  They moved them to be more instanced because people would grief the raid, causing a wipe.   GW2 has world boss encounters, within DEs.  They have redunced mechanics compared to raid bosses, to provent griefing.

compared to? and still you have no proof of this

Originally posted by itssantos

GW2 can call these events "pancakes" for all I care as long as my friends and I enjoy them.

A+ on that one! I am looking forward to playing in; Countdown For all of you that want to argue about what constitutes a raid I will be counting the seconds to fun! itssantos and me are buying syrup and going to pancake!