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  Naqaj

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8/16/12 9:37:59 AM#21
Originally posted by jpnz

Trailers are suppose to generate hype and I think all games would want to generate hype.

In this '24/7 newscycle' age, hype = sales.

True again, but CGI trailers are just one of many ways to generate hype, and one that players are becoming increasingly wary of after many dissappointing experiences. 

  User Deleted
8/16/12 9:40:25 AM#22
Originally posted by Pandamin
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2plRTzSrY8

That's all what GW2 needs. And it's CGI - just another kind of CGI.

Haa semantics, the gentlemans game! :)

Though I agree.

I started working in the CGI industry like 25 years ago now... using Amiga and Macintosh II computers back then. CGI means "Computer Generated Imagery". It's not limited to ray traced 3D images.

The first half of that video is definitely CGI, and the compositing is actually brilliant. And the second part... well, it's in game footage, so it's also definitely real time CGI.

The "zomg it's so real" calculated 3D way is not the only way to create beautiful images with a computer ;-)

  BadSpock

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8/16/12 9:41:14 AM#23
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Naqaj
No game needs a cinematic trailer. 

I wouldn't say that.

Would 'Dead Island' be as popular as it is without that trailer that literally set the gaming world on fire?

 

NSFW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZqrG1bdGtg

That is quite honestly one of the best trailers ever made, ever.

 

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  Vesavius

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8/16/12 9:42:04 AM#24

Cinematics are expensive, but are proven to penetrate the mass market, heighten awareness of the title, and sell a lot more copies. The release of a cine is a mini event in itself, as we have seen with MoP today.

GW2 dosen't NEED one, but I wouldn't be crying into my soup if they got Blur studios to make one... especially as I have seen the gameplay is there and they have nothing to hide.

  maji

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8/16/12 9:42:33 AM#25
Games do not need a cinematic trailer. But a well done cinematic trailer can mean quite a boost for a game. They put players into the right mood, while, when well done, looking just awesome. I remember that i sometimes watched the original WoW intro, when it was released, just to get me into the mood. :)

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  Sabas

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This is the sound of me

8/16/12 9:47:45 AM#26
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
 

I started working in the CGI industry like 25 years ago now... using Amiga and Macintosh II computers back then. CGI means "Computer Generated Imagery". It's not limited to ray traced 3D images.

I know mate, thats why I asked the CGI question because for many people the generated/rendered trailers are the only definition of CGI.

As demonstrated by a previous poster.

 

I actyally really enjoyed them blending the concept with ingame footage. I think its a big selling point.

They translate concept to ingame so very well.

 

  Loktofeit

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8/16/12 10:12:48 AM#27
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2plRTzSrY8

That's all what GW2 needs. And it's CGI - just another kind of CGI.

Agreed. Cinematic trailers serve a different purpose than gameplay trailers. Their goal is to relay a story/context for the game, convey a mood and get people psyched about the game. The more removed from actual gameplay graphics, the better, as it avoids the misconception that what one is seeing is gameplay.

Dead Island trailer achieved its goal masterfully. Two other cinematic trailers that did a great job of generating hype for their game were the 2003 WOW cinematic trailer and the 2010 SWTOR "Deceived" trailer.

In that last one, it created all the necessary moments

  • INCOMING! CRASH SLAM  'SPLOSIONZ! Cool!
  • The Dark Side... with an army! Cool!
  • Here come the good guys! YES!
  • Epic battles! Cool!
  • ZOMG Twilleks and shooting stuff and Bounty Hunters! COOL!

Other than those unrealistically expecting to see gameplay, most people were rather pumped up after watching that trailer. :)

And that's the cinematic trailer's job.

 

 

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  User Deleted
 
OP  8/16/12 10:14:07 AM#28
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Naqaj
No game needs a cinematic trailer. 

I wouldn't say that.

Would 'Dead Island' be as popular as it is without that trailer that literally set the gaming world on fire?

 

NSFW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZqrG1bdGtg

That is quite honestly one of the best trailers ever made, ever.

 

And think of how many copies of the game sold just because of that trailer?  I would guess quite a few.

  Wickedjelly

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8/16/12 10:18:40 AM#29

No

Isn't necessary and would be a waste of money. This game already has an insane amount of hype and buzz going on. Would be a complete waste of resources.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Xarko

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8/16/12 10:20:13 AM#30
Im gonna say yes becuase I like CGI trailers :). There is no need for it now tho, since game is well overhyped as it is.
  desiriel

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8/16/12 10:28:01 AM#31

 

I'm wary of cinematic trailers. WAR's and SWTOR's CGI trailers were really beautiful but the games were a sham.

SWTOR's alarm bell rang for me when they showed us these beautiful pieces of art but little to nothing of real gameplay trailers.

They're expensive, useless and create hype that often falls short on its promises.

For me, the choice to avoid these shiny baubles is another sign of Anet's solidity and dedication to their game.

  Nadia

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8/16/12 10:38:17 AM#32
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2plRTzSrY8

That's all what GW2 needs. And it's CGI - just another kind of CGI.

agree

 

Blizzard does give good cgi

I love this mock SWTOR dev commentary about cgi http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/star-wars-the-old-republic-fake-trailer

  Macecard

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8/16/12 10:45:00 AM#33
Originally posted by Naqaj
No game needs a cinematic trailer. 

Almost, however I think some do.

I think it's No game that is trying to sell itself with GAMEPLAY needs a cinematic trailer

If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'

  Onigod

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8/16/12 10:46:52 AM#34

where is the "i dont care" vote option.

 

Will a trailer really affect your gameplay. do you really need to discuss if a company has to do this and that?

  User Deleted
8/16/12 10:59:56 AM#35
Originally posted by Onigod

where is the "i dont care" vote option.

"results please"

  Tonin109

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8/16/12 11:08:17 AM#36
GW1 had some cinematic trailers why not GW2, its always a plus

  Ezhae

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8/16/12 11:10:55 AM#37
Why waste tons of money and time (rendering a 1 minute long high quality CGI is a long process that cosnumes whole server farm) on something that has no relevance? I much prefer their style of cinematics, hand drawn stills are great and fit the whole aesthetic of the game, CGI would only mess it up. 
  Clob

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Posts: 132

8/16/12 11:24:23 AM#38
In general these trailers are cool and all, but I dislike how a lot of companies tend to "hide" their game behind them in marketing.  The one that stands out because it is somewhat recent and was so prevalent on tv was SW:TOR.  They had all those trailers on tv for months and not once did you see the actual game through that medium.  Blizzard will do the same thing in marketing this expansion.  I've always felt it a positive that ANet does ingame trailers.  They want to show players the game.  Even when they did those couple CGI/cinematic trailers for GW they had did ingame ones along with 'em. 
  Treekodar

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8/16/12 11:25:36 AM#39
I would love for them to do a trailer ala Warhammer Online.

Eleanor Rigby.

  Skarecrow7

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Posts: 342

8/16/12 11:57:23 AM#40
SWTOR kinda spoiled the cgi trailers for me. Granted GW2 is a horse of a different color, but it is going to take a while for the bad taste SWTOR left in my mouth.

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