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  Tierless

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OP  8/15/12 1:00:21 PM#401

This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

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  azmundai

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8/15/12 1:17:38 PM#402


Originally posted by Xobdnas
This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

I remember reading 100s of posts saying the exact same thing about swtor.

LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  Volkon

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8/15/12 1:25:08 PM#403
Originally posted by azmundai

 


Originally posted by Xobdnas
This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

 

I remember reading 100s of posts saying the exact same thing about swtor.

But how many hundreds more saying SWToR was crap, WoW-clone, nothing beyond the story, etc? People knew SWToR was crap before it launched. People know GW2 isn't.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  User Deleted
8/15/12 1:26:27 PM#404
Originally posted by azmundai

 


Originally posted by Xobdnas
This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

 

I remember reading 100s of posts saying the exact same thing about swtor.

Honestly, I kinda hope GW2 lights a fire under WoWs ass; at the very least, Blizzard will need to actually start putting some effort into maintaining their throne, because I think Blizzard got way too comfortable over the years and way too dependent on WoW; the lack of new IPs is indicative of this IMO.

  User Deleted
8/15/12 1:26:46 PM#405
Originally posted by azmundai
 

I remember reading 100s of posts saying the exact same thing about swtor.

True.  But that was more delusional than anything else honestly.  GW2 is grounded more in reality.

Nothing lasts forever.  It just doesn't.  Is this the end for WoW.  Who knows, but it honestly is the first serious contender to come around...well...ever.

  Tierless

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joie de vivre

 
OP  8/15/12 1:30:06 PM#406


Originally posted by azmundai

Originally posted by Xobdnas
This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

I remember reading 100s of posts saying the exact same thing about swtor.


Maybe, but not from me, nor from people at my level of MMORPGnerdness. Check my history, I was very clear SWTOR would flop, flop hard, and be dead in no time. I said it from the first concept art on through beta (which I was in) onto now.

Point is, when I say GW2 is gonna put the hurt on WOW, trust me, GW2 gonna put the hert on that beeiotch.

GW will hit around 2 mill and grow form there but at a slower pace, while WOW will eventually lose 1-2 mill to GW2 and keep on the decline.

The WOW word is dead. Unless you have a quest you have 0 reason to bother with it. Any named or interesting mobs are all for quests and give you 0 for finding/killing them. They put 8 years of expansions into killing the feeling that your in an MMO and turned it into a dungeon crawler, sad, not as sad as SWTOR, but pretty sad.

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  User Deleted
8/15/12 1:34:40 PM#407
Originally posted by Xobdnas

Maybe, but not from me, nor from people at my level of MMORPGnerdness. Check my history, I was very clear SWTOR would flop, flop hard, and be dead in no time. I said it from the first concept art on through beta (which I was in) onto now.

Point is, when I say GW2 is gonna put the hurt on WOW, trust me, GW2 gonna put the hert on that beeiotch.

GW will hit around 2 mill and grow form there but at a slower pace, while WOW will eventually lose 1-2 mill to GW2 and keep on the decline.

Or the 1 - 2 million people who leave WoW will just leave MMOs all together.

I do think GW2 will do well, but I don't think every sub that leaves WoW is necessarily gonna go to GW2.

  Valentina

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8/15/12 1:36:21 PM#408
they can strike all they want, but their time is coming to a close. not just because of gw2 but because people are just moving onto many other games in general.
  Eir_S

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8/15/12 1:47:46 PM#409
Originally posted by Xobdnas

The WOW word is dead. Unless you have a quest you have 0 reason to bother with it. Any named or interesting mobs are all for quests and give you 0 for finding/killing them. They put 8 years of expansions into killing the feeling that your in an MMO and turned it into a dungeon crawler, sad, not as sad as SWTOR, but pretty sad.

Gah.... don't remind me.  I remember almost hearing an audible click when I found out that Blizz removed the elite status from some of their really challenging world mobs that you could just barely solo if you had the right class (and spec: ie: tank).  Now they fall to a gentle breeze and there is no point in doing, for example, the Nessingwary quests.  They're easy now, just like every other quest from 1 to 85.  It's insulting!  I never took the game as seriously after that.

Why did they do this?  Because people complained it was too hard to find groups for them.  WoW was never a huge social game unless you were raiding anyway, due to their lack of scaling.  You couldn't even play with friends if you wanted to because of severe level differences, and no one likes halting their character's progression for other people to catch up.

  TruthXHurts

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8/15/12 1:49:41 PM#410
Oh good another rushed desperation patch to further alienate their already faltering playerbase. 

"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  Lydon

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8/15/12 1:50:26 PM#411
All Guild Wars 2 needs to do is sell boxes in order to be a success. A WoW patch is unlikely to convince many - if any - to cancel their orders of a completely new game only to play more of what they've been playing for 8 years.

  Vannor

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8/15/12 1:52:38 PM#412
It's a shame most people will already be 3 days into GW2 by the 28th and will probably totally forget about WoW's patch. If they did do it on purpose they are pretty dumb because they should have done it on the 25th.
  Eir_S

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8/15/12 1:52:57 PM#413
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Oh good another rushed desperation patch to further alienate their already faltering playerbase. 

Is it rushed or is it just bad?  I know most people I've seen talking about it are NOT fans of the talent system changes.

  TruthXHurts

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8/15/12 1:54:42 PM#414
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Oh good another rushed desperation patch to further alienate their already faltering playerbase. 

Is it rushed or is it just bad?  I know most people I've seen talking about it are NOT fans of the talent system changes.

No idea. I played  a free demo of WoW for about 2 hours years ago and was thoroughly not impressed. Haven't glanced in it's dire1tion since. Just know it's the responsible for the decline of the thinking man's MMO.

"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  Ghavrigg

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8/15/12 1:59:44 PM#415

So people are bashing WoW because Blizzard is smart when it comes to competition? Putting this patch out will keep their existing playerbase (for the most part) from having their minds wander and stop them from being bored enough to try something new.

While both games aren't directly in competition with each other due to the different business models, they ARE both the same genre, and Blizzard doesn't wanna risk people getting hooked on different game mechanics that don't exist in WoW. This is pretty much a necessary move on their part to keep the subscriber loss to a minimum.

I don't think they're worried about losing the majority of their playerbase to GW2 or anything even remotely close, however.

  Clob

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8/15/12 2:24:38 PM#416
I was just thinking that Blizzard, and now Funcom, doing a large patch/update on the 28th is actually a positive for ANet.  Unlike GW2 which will have streaming updates without downtime, when WoW and TSW are patched their servers are down for several hours.  In spite of what some think, a lot of players from both games are going to be giving GW2 a run.  While their update schedule may not have A LOT to do with GW2's launch, it would seem like it might be wise to have their servers down when there are fewer players to get peeved. 
  Nadia

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8/15/12 2:33:17 PM#417
Originally posted by Enigmatus

Honestly, I kinda hope GW2 lights a fire under WoWs ass; at the very least, Blizzard will need to actually start putting some effort into maintaining their throne, because I think Blizzard got way too comfortable over the years and way too dependent on WoW; the lack of new IPs is indicative of this IMO.

agree

when companies have to make effort to get your attention - its good for gamers

  htiger23

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8/15/12 2:35:33 PM#418

These posts are hilarious to read.  Keep in mind, I haven't played WoW for years, so I'm not adding bias to this post.

1. WoW lost a million subscribers over the quarter.

2. WoW lost more subscribers than any other MMO currently has...It is still at least nine times larger than any other MMO.  Yes, it sucks...But any other game company in the world wishes they could boast those numbers...

3. WoW is 7.75 years old.  Seriously consider what this means when you say it is "dying".  Shouldn't a video game that is this old have long since died?

4. Just like the McDonald's analogy, WoW may not be the "Best" game out there in terms of quality.

When you consider everything MMOs offer (fun factor, graphics, content, etc, etc), there still has not been a game to even come close to usurping that throne.  Chalk it up to brand loyalty or whatever you want, but facts are facts (IE: Numbers).

 

Like I said, I'm not just out to bash GW2 or other MMOs, I hope they do well.

I just wanted to point out a few obvious facts for those with such seething hatred of WoW.

  Nadia

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8/15/12 2:39:58 PM#419
Originally posted by Xobdnas

This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

Blizzard has a dedicated fanbase  (as evident by recordbreaking sales of D3)

 

MOP will easily sell 4 million in the first week -- theres no way that GW2 is going to see those kind of sales

 

Im a GW2 fan but I believe its going to take GW2 a few months to sell 3-4 million

  Distopia

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8/15/12 2:41:46 PM#420
Originally posted by Xobdnas

This is going to kill blizzard, heres why. Head starters will play GW2 for a few days and be blown away, then they log into WOW and get totally underwhelmed by how little it has progressed, even with the new patch. They then cancel WOW and reamain in GW2.

Kill Blizzard? One game will kill a whole stable of games?

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