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  jell0r

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8/15/12 4:20:44 AM#341
Blizzard flops about helplessly
  k-damage

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8/15/12 4:57:27 AM#342
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by DJJazzy
so what?

Exactly. I doubt that patch will stop anyone who already decided to play GW2 from playing it.

What's funny is that I predicted that move a couple of weeks ago... I would have bet real money on that =P

A nice & already settled way of betting money on announcements is to play the stocks :p

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  sammandar

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8/15/12 5:29:54 AM#343
Originally posted by jdnyc

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/4924894011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_1_3

Blizzard is worried.

But let's look at the best sellers right now -

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1

That is really interesting. Though obviously Amazon is not the only store where people can buy both games (MoP and GW2), Amazon is a major global-online store which reaches hundreds of millions of perspective clients. I don't know how they both stack up against each other on other sites and in other stores, but Amazon might be a good indicator of how things are going and may in fact turn out. At least, definitely interesting... I guess time will tell :-)

  Eir_S

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8/15/12 5:35:47 AM#344
Originally posted by jdnyc

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/4924894011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_1_3

Blizzard is worried.

But let's look at the best sellers right now -

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1

 

That list is shocking!!

(ie:....I can't believe people still buy Madden games that are basically the same game repackaged)

  Distopia

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8/15/12 5:42:07 AM#345
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I still find it funny how people say one game won't effect another becuase of its setting or types of players... how i see it is GW2 is the first AAA MMO to be released with the B2P model. When people see a AAA MMO come out with the amount of stuff to do and content as GW2 it will cause some backlash on other games. Many wow fans are set in their ways and I feel age is hurting wow more than anything but to say GW2 won't effect wow at all is ridiculous. Both are themeparks both are high fantasy(sorta). Even TSW i feel will be effected since already many are questioning TSW longevity due to reliance on story based content ala swtor and for people into PVP more GW2 will probably spark peoples interest. Even those tired of the fantasy setting the no monthly fee on a AAA MMO will surely peak the interest of many MMO players.

Agreed with this. While there are some players who will not play WoW or GW2 or TSW because of the setting or some other feature, most gamers are just looking for a good game.

I agree, although the key is not the initial effect, it's whether it lasts, WOW has seen many players leave yet return a few months later as an example. It's hard to compete with a game that has as much content as one that has years of post release development.

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  Distopia

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8/15/12 5:44:52 AM#346
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by jdnyc

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/4924894011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_1_3

Blizzard is worried.

But let's look at the best sellers right now -

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1

 

That list is shocking!!

(ie:....I can't believe people still buy Madden games that are basically the same game repackaged)

I'd say this list is more pertinent to this topic.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=amb_link_6857352_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1ERY1HSFA6MK11SWFPWS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1343310042&pf_rd_i=229575

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  Kothoses

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8/15/12 5:45:23 AM#347
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Badaboom

Thats because Anet was originally planning on releasing earlier but postponed release.  There is no doubt in my mind that blizzard is doing everything that they are to coincide with GW2.

There is zero evidence to even suggest this.  The MoP beta has been very public.  They are neither holding it back or rushing it, the progression has been pretty smooth.

 

 

The evidence is the release.  The evidence is that WoW has timed every major content/patch and expansion to a major game release.  You can deny it all you want but I don't know why.  Blizz is smart when it comes to the business sense.

 

Blizz have always had some aggressive marketing plot to try and undermine games they see gaining a little too much moment, LK was part of the double whammy that spoiled War (that and its premature release) with SWTOR they did the free level 80 scroll of res and dropped one of their very very few content patches. Same with GW 2.

 

This time though, it feels different, Blizz has lost its way its lack of pacing with content releases maybe? a changing market in the west towards a more open and F2P / B2P market is what I am putting it down to though.

 

All inclusive subscription MMOs are a dieing entity, Blizzards greed with microtransactions is coming back to bite them on the arse, becuase players now are starting to realise that MMOs can be funded purely from Microtransactions and demanding that they are, they are also starting to demand that the games are kept fair, that relative power in game is kept out of the cash shop.

 

I am not sure gamers will always get their own way on this, but Blizzard was the pebble that helped start the landslide in the west..... now they are losing subs to games that they enabled to adopt the F2P methodology.

 

You reap what you sow big guy.

 

 

(See Sparkle Pony for the Pebble that started the landslide, I am well aware wow is sub based but Wows Microtransactions showed other companies that gamers were happy to pay for "premium" items).

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  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

8/15/12 5:48:28 AM#348
Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by semantikron
Originally posted by Creslin321

Hmmm...what to do on the 28th...

  Entirely new game with a completely fresh experience.

  A patch with new mounts and a revamped talent system.

Ooooooh that's a toughie!

But dude, think of all the gear you're leaving behind in Azeroth.  And, uh, the mats.

Yay!  You can once again feel the sting of having to replace "purples" you worked months to get with ugly quest greens, starting the gear grind stupidity all over again.  I can't believe more people aren't tired of that.

Many mmo players like progression.  They like to feel as if all the hard work they are putting into their character and all of the time they've spent playing them actually mean something.  If I wanted to be on a level playing field with every single person that played a particular game, even if they only hopped online once per week, I'm sure I'd enjoy GW2.  However, many of us actually like to see tangible evidence of the effort we've put into a particular character.  

 

There is progression in Guild Wars 2.

 

You can learn your class, and play well, instead of getting carried by gear.

 

In GW2 its the playerskill that determines outcome, not gear.

I didn't even see this post because I have the user blocked, but I've already addressed this in other posts.

 

Players that like progression cannot misinform those of us who already know that progression exists in GW2.  If someone wants to show that they have completed challenging content, there is no reason they can't.  The only thing the gear doesn't do is allow you to one-shot level 1 mobs.  GW2 is not desinged that way.  Stats are the only difference.  When I stood around in Stormwind, it wasn't because I was showing off my stats, it was the prestige of having completed content that not everyone would see in their time playing the game.  My stats were only relevant to the raids I was doing.

People who stubbornly stick to their guns about the "looking cool" issue are only making themselves look bad; GW2 endgame is all about cosmetics, that's the entire point.  It takes something like 30 skill points to get certain weapons and armor for the Mystic Forge.

Does that sound familiar?  Yes, it does, because you'll be grinding those points for quite a while.  That's 30 levels beyond max level for those skill points, that's a lot of game time, and for a reward that not everyone will have.  I realized this today when I was wondering if the endgame doomsayers were really right and I'd have nothing to shoot for when I'm lvl 80, but they're not right.  Not even close.  GW2 has that hook that keeps people playing, it just doesn't have the stats that are essentially meaningless anyway.

People need to open their eyes.  Your progression grind is there, and it's very similar to what you're used to, but it's not identical.  I have no doubt that with the Forge concept, I'm going to be happy playing GW2 for a long time.

  User Deleted
8/15/12 5:52:38 AM#349
Originally posted by Xobdnas

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/14/world-of-warcraft-schedules-big-patch-for-guild-wars-2s-launch/

Despite removing every ounce of anything resembling a war from Warcraft, Blizz has made it very clear they are willing to get into a war with GW2.

it can go either way . ithink we will know in the first three months as to who has won the battle

  Skuz

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8/15/12 5:52:39 AM#350

Blizzard flexing their e-peen, just like they did for every other major release before.

It's an open-challenge, "let's see how good you really are then!"

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 4725

8/15/12 5:53:43 AM#351
Originally posted by Kothoses
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Badaboom

Thats because Anet was originally planning on releasing earlier but postponed release.  There is no doubt in my mind that blizzard is doing everything that they are to coincide with GW2.

There is zero evidence to even suggest this.  The MoP beta has been very public.  They are neither holding it back or rushing it, the progression has been pretty smooth.

 

 

The evidence is the release.  The evidence is that WoW has timed every major content/patch and expansion to a major game release.  You can deny it all you want but I don't know why.  Blizz is smart when it comes to the business sense.

 

Blizz have always had some aggressive marketing plot to try and undermine games they see gaining a little too much moment, LK was part of the double whammy that spoiled War (that and its premature release) with SWTOR they did the free level 80 scroll of res and dropped one of their very very few content patches. Same with GW 2.

 

This time though, it feels different, Blizz has lost its way its lack of pacing with content releases maybe? a changing market in the west towards a more open and F2P / B2P market is what I am putting it down to though.

 

All inclusive subscription MMOs are a dieing entity, Blizzards greed with microtransactions is coming back to bite them on the arse, becuase players now are starting to realise that MMOs can be funded purely from Microtransactions and demanding that they are, they are also starting to demand that the games are kept fair, that relative power in game is kept out of the cash shop.

 

I am not sure gamers will always get their own way on this, but Blizzard was the pebble that helped start the landslide in the west..... now they are losing subs to games that they enabled to adopt the F2P methodology.

 

You reap what you sow big guy.

 

 

(See Sparkle Pony for the Pebble that started the landslide, I am well aware wow is sub based but Wows Microtransactions showed other companies that gamers were happy to pay for "premium" items).

reality however probably might have something to say on that matter..  one of the things that interested me about the whole amazon best seller thing, is that while at number 1, GW2 looks to be doing pretty well, the number 8 spot is actually taken by the MoP collectors addition, which is.. significantly more expensive. not to mention the release date for MoP is still late september, it would be very interesting to see what the amazon best seller listing is then.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/videogames/676427011/ref=amb_link_84068953_6?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=browse&pf_rd_r=0N6Q2XS3ZN4JR3MKCDVT&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=290638507&pf_rd_i=676427011

anyone looking to promote the whole F2P vs P2P thing probably isnt going to prove much by using WoW as an example, at least, not convincingly

  Caliburn101

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8/15/12 6:08:36 AM#352

This kind of tactic is about as surprising as getting wet after falling into water.

Blizzard is just using it's pseudo-monopoly on the word MASSIVE in MMO's to suppress GW2's initial numbers - there will be a sizeable number of players of the VERY sizeable WoW population who check out the patch in their most heavily time-invested MMO before looking at GW2 - made even more likley by the fact GW2 is F2P.

All companies with $$ for eyes and a wide streak of 'no offence it's only business' cynicism will naturally indulge in monopoly-style tactics - Blizzard is not a gamers company anymore, it's a cash cow with a ton of slick, ranks of accountants and no soul.

About as predictable as the likely 'financially-encouraged' over-reaction to it from the gaming media....

  Volkon

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8/15/12 6:53:26 AM#353
Originally posted by Wicoa
Im a wow fan and this annoys me, they should be focusing on their customers not on a game that has no subscription.

 

Why? If you're already paying a subscription they have you by the short and curlies and they know it.

 

This is purely a tactic to try and minimize the blood loss from players potentially playing GW2 and liking it enough to cancel their subs. It won't have any affect on non-WoW players or those that quit some time ago. For example, someone that never played WoW would need to buy all the prior releases and get a sub going (no idea what that would cost these days), and someone like myself would need to purchase Cataclysm as well as Pandas and renew my sub just to get back into it and sample what MoP is all about. (Not going to happen.)  Considering I retired ol' Herbslayer on Scarlet Crusade prior to Cataclysm primarily because the game was reduced to nothing but a single raid over and over again with dailies on the off days... ugh. No amount of pandamonium can suck me back into that model. The fun was long gone, it was merely a second job that I had to pay monthly to do.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Aerowyn

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8/15/12 6:55:24 AM#354
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I still find it funny how people say one game won't effect another becuase of its setting or types of players... how i see it is GW2 is the first AAA MMO to be released with the B2P model. When people see a AAA MMO come out with the amount of stuff to do and content as GW2 it will cause some backlash on other games. Many wow fans are set in their ways and I feel age is hurting wow more than anything but to say GW2 won't effect wow at all is ridiculous. Both are themeparks both are high fantasy(sorta). Even TSW i feel will be effected since already many are questioning TSW longevity due to reliance on story based content ala swtor and for people into PVP more GW2 will probably spark peoples interest. Even those tired of the fantasy setting the no monthly fee on a AAA MMO will surely peak the interest of many MMO players.

Agreed with this. While there are some players who will not play WoW or GW2 or TSW because of the setting or some other feature, most gamers are just looking for a good game.

I agree, although the key is not the initial effect, it's whether it lasts, WOW has seen many players leave yet return a few months later as an example. It's hard to compete with a game that has as much content as one that has years of post release development.

 

true but most of those games have tried the exact same thing which is to beat wow at their own game yet not offering enough new or in most cases different enough content.. In this aspect i feel GW2 delivers on not being another clone but has a ton of content and is B2P. All in all its a recipe for a very successful game

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  sammandar

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8/15/12 7:11:24 AM#355
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by Aerowyn
I still find it funny how people say one game won't effect another becuase of its setting or types of players... how i see it is GW2 is the first AAA MMO to be released with the B2P model. When people see a AAA MMO come out with the amount of stuff to do and content as GW2 it will cause some backlash on other games. Many wow fans are set in their ways and I feel age is hurting wow more than anything but to say GW2 won't effect wow at all is ridiculous. Both are themeparks both are high fantasy(sorta). Even TSW i feel will be effected since already many are questioning TSW longevity due to reliance on story based content ala swtor and for people into PVP more GW2 will probably spark peoples interest. Even those tired of the fantasy setting the no monthly fee on a AAA MMO will surely peak the interest of many MMO players.

Agreed with this. While there are some players who will not play WoW or GW2 or TSW because of the setting or some other feature, most gamers are just looking for a good game.

I agree, although the key is not the initial effect, it's whether it lasts, WOW has seen many players leave yet return a few months later as an example. It's hard to compete with a game that has as much content as one that has years of post release development.

 

true but most of those games have tried the exact same thing which is to beat wow at their own game yet not offering enough new or in most cases different enough content.. In this aspect i feel GW2 delivers on not being another clone but has a ton of content and is B2P. All in all its a recipe for a very successful game

that's the key difference from GW2 and most other mmos that attempted at a shot at the "king" (wow). Most other games were nothing but wow-clones; GW2 is very much its own game and in many respects I believe much better than wow and offers many more new "things" that wow does not and cannot offer. Biggest difference? B2P vs P2P. What you pay for what you get, no game offers you more than GW2.

  Istavaan

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8/15/12 7:21:33 AM#356
They sound desperate to me, guild wars 2 is the biggest challenge to wow to date.
  Nadia

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8/15/12 7:22:16 AM#357

for the amazon lists,

amazon does not offer the MOP deluxe version and probably explains why "MOP standard" isnt even in the Amazon top 100

even WOW Cata and WOW LK are listed in the top 100

 

MOP deluxe version is probably the best deal for MOP, because it comes w mount and pet for 60.00

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/services/digital-deluxe/

 

regarding the GW1 7 million number, it was verified that at least 5 million of those were unique accounts

 

from Feb 2009 financials - is a summary of accounts created  (not boxes sold)

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/ncsoft-releases-quarterly-report-guild-t10355520.html?s=03c4de217efb063cd387c2af2fa6ac77&t=10355520

QTR / Accounts
Sep 2006 / 2,447,000
Dec 2006 / 3,122,000
Mar 2007 / 3,555,000
Jun 2007 / 3,917,000
Sep 2007 / 4,500,000
Dec 2007 / 4,878,000
Mar 2008 / 5,159,000
Jun 2008 / 5,377,000
Sep 2008 / 5,589,000
Dec 2008 / 5,803,000

  jcknows

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8/15/12 7:29:44 AM#358
Isn't Tuesday normally patch day for WoW??  Honestly, I would agree with its significance of the date if it were say... a Thursday? It all may be very well and true that Blizz planned it for the launch, but it's also on a normally scheduled patch day.. :\
  ownprocess

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8/15/12 7:30:04 AM#359
GW1 was never a direct competitor anyway, no subsciption charges etc.  Pretty sure the 2 games will co-exist happily.  Though I'm sure pretty much all games will initially see a dip in players for a while after GW2's release.
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8/15/12 7:35:30 AM#360

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