Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by Graey

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Originally posted by Lord.Bachus There is only one assuption in this blog i dont agree to, There will not be to many players leaving GW2 after just a single month of play. I think most peopel will stick atleast a few months with GW2 and after that might become frequent returners.   Which makes the whole conclusion a bit lackluster.

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I noticed on that post they were speaking of the GW2 hype dying down, and thusly giving TSW a chance to sort of surpass GW2. What I don't seem them doing is bringing up the fact that GW2 is buy to play. So I think the hype will last longer because when you buy the game that's it...no sub fees, no real need to use the cash shop  and on top of that you have a game that has a lot of content fresh out the gate.

 

 

If the devs at GW2 decide to update on a regular like Trion (Rift) then TSW and WoW I believe will have a significant problem.

 

Hell between one bwe and the next they added vistas...what was that like a month or so inbetween...come on. GW2 is about to mess the standards up make no mistake about that.

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Being b2p also makes it easier for people to "jump ship"

I can see your point however I would add that I don't think people are as fickle as that. Keep in mind we are all looking for a steady place to call home. That's the appeal I would think of an MMORPG. I would say they are the same GW2 and TSW as well as WOW. From what I played of TSW it reminds me of TOR in that it feels like a story pushing you forward. If that is the core dynamic I don't think that will keep people long term. That being said I think GW2 adds just a bit more with the added bonus of being buy to play. Just dont think anyone is looking to abandon ship on any game so I think for GW2 it will be harder if a bit weird. Lol with GW2 you can get back on the ship any time you please and still be relatively progressive.

This is all my opinion however. Personally TSW has only been out what a month...two maybe. Seems rather hasty but then again what do I know.

as a pvp'er and member of a pvp clan/guild tsw is just a no-go. with or without gw2.

Originally posted by Graey

Originally posted by Alot

 

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Originally posted by Graey

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Originally posted by DragonPop11 http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=53477   Honestly, as a fan of TSW and  GW2, I couldn't help but laugh at how desperate the situation is

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Is TSW loosing subs or something? If not this post seems a bit off.

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I think the thread is just a reaction to the negativity that stems from the Funcom Investor Update.

You wouldn't by chance have a link to the update or have read it and can give a general idea of what it was about? I'm assuming TSW didn't sell as much as hoped 

http://www.funcom.com/investors/the_secret_world_update

Originally posted by Alot

 

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Originally posted by Graey

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Originally posted by Alot  

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Originally posted by Graey

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Originally posted by DragonPop11 http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=53477   Honestly, as a fan of TSW and  GW2, I couldn't help but laugh at how desperate the situation is

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Is TSW loosing subs or something? If not this post seems a bit off.

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  I think the thread is just a reaction to the negativity that stems from the Funcom Investor Update.

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You wouldn't by chance have a link to the update or have read it and can give a general idea of what it was about? I'm assuming TSW didn't sell as much as hoped or something?

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Linky.

There ye go.

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read. Also read some of the comments by the players. They have some valid points. Me personally I like the lore and potential of TSW but not so much the combat animations and the side ways movement of the characters. I'm not sure going F2P so quickly is a good idea either however I wonder since they have a cash shop are they already in place to do so.

People still believe that what keeps players playing a game is amount of content...

Sigh.

That guy is either delusional or naive.

All those who wanted to try TSW have already tried it. Those who want to play it are playing it.

A "relaunch" would actually send the wrong signal, and would be the worst PR move ever.

Firstly.. Desperate situation? lol

I would actually be happy if the "alternative game to WoW but trying to be exacly the same game as WoW" game hunters don't even think of trying Guild Wars 2. There are enough dedicated players who have waited for years to only be amazed and astonished by what the closed and open beta's have had to offer, let alone playing the game post lauch.

TSW is not even close to standing on Arena's toes, the fact that people are "already looking for their next MMO after GW2" is actually quite pathetic, but in the end Arena will be laughing at you...but please go buy it, you will help pay the game developer who is making the next content patch!  :D

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

That guy is either delusional or naive.

All those who wanted to try TSW have already tried it. Those who want to play it are playing it.

A "relaunch" would actually send the wrong signal, and would be the worst PR move ever.

I don't know about that. Many of my friends are somewhat nerdy and play video games, but don't know what TSW is. When one of them saw me play it and I told him all about it, he said something along the lines of "oh, that's pretty interesting". Looks like TSW's marketing campaign didn't work that well. A Steam sale could help it a lot.

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Depends. Supposedly Anet already has had a separate team working on additional content while another polishes up to prepare for launch. If they can push content out pretty quickly, neither TSW nor MoP is going to stand a chance. I don't see it happening though, even being optimistic the first content update is probably 3 months away. A month is too short, I'd say within 2 the hype will die down and GW2 will have the population levels it can reasonably expect to carry it through, with updates spiking those populations temporarily. 

But then I could be wrong. I plan on playing more than 2 months pretty heavily, maybe lots of others are, too.

they made large events already in less then 12 hours.   they also wont be having  content patches. most content will come in live.  as in when they  finish making a new event they will put it in right away thats why they are called a live  content team and not a post  dev team.  and  i beleive they said something about  weekly something or other

also anyone who thinks  people will be leaving en masse in october will probably want to bite their tounges as GW2 will be runing the first holidy event. if its like GW1's first events its going to be  awesome.  i dont know if anyone will want to miss it.

TSW versus GW2 - this will end up bad for TSW no matter how you look at it.
Dont forget ALOT of people still have a filty taste in their mouth from Funcom and dont touch a game from their hands ever again.

If they go B2P then they are doing the thing they needed to do at the launch of the game.
Woulnt be bad to do it now, but i think its to little to late.

Also from september onwards we have 3 good mmo's to play.

GW2 - WoW MoP - TSW and maybe a 4th mmo named Planetside 2.

No1 knows how things will turn out tough, but it seems a little stupid that GW2 players quit within a month lol.

It's just an opinion about a game without the content to justify a long term sub.

New P2P games seem to have problems retaining their players. Looks like getting a part of the P2P players to jump ship for a long time is harder than many would hope and expect. TSW can still beat TOR in terms of going F2P sooner. TERA looks like it's in trouble too.

New games launching with the P2P model seem to be headed straight for the wall. Let's hope GW2 is enough of a succes to prove that B2P still is a viable business model today.

Originally posted by dekou

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

That guy is either delusional or naive.

All those who wanted to try TSW have already tried it. Those who want to play it are playing it.

A "relaunch" would actually send the wrong signal, and would be the worst PR move ever.

I don't know about that. Many of my friends are somewhat nerdy and play video games, but don't know what TSW is. When one of them saw me play it and I told him all about it, he said something along the lines of "oh, that's pretty interesting". Looks like TSW's marketing campaign didn't work that well. A Steam sale could help it a lot.

Possibly to new players, yes... I'm still surprised EA failed a hype campain, that's usually the only thing they are good at.

Personally, after playing TSW in closed beta (not week ends, but 7/7), I didn't buy it. And even if GW2 reveals to be lacking after a couple of months, I will still not buy TSW. I will rather buy Pandaria.

Then again, the hardcore MMO'ers probably already have bought TSW knowing they would be done with it before GW2 launched (2 months of time).

The big bulk of players these days (i think) are ex hardcore players who turned semi casual now (age 23 - 33) who have a job now and other real life stuff to do.

Being a ex hard core turning semi casual now (meanwhile having my job, wife, building my own house and starting to think about children in the near future) I also personally don't believe the "GW2 doesn't have a sub so players will probably play a 2nd subscription based MMO next to it".

Okay I do have the money, but no... I don't have the time.

So, what TSW wants is the big group of casual players to reach the big numbers of subscribers and I don't believe they will ever reach much of those players. TSW is a niche game like some said in that topic over there, because of the lore, because of the fact that subscription fee these days will really narrow your audience and because it isn't as friendly to a casual player like GW2 is for lots and lots of reasons.

If I would be a TSW player then I would love it to have and maintain it's niche status. As a fan and a player it's better to be stable and have a enjoyable game below the radar than to have it blow up in everyone's face like SW:ToR did.

Originally posted by dekou

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

That guy is either delusional or naive.

All those who wanted to try TSW have already tried it. Those who want to play it are playing it.

A "relaunch" would actually send the wrong signal, and would be the worst PR move ever.

I don't know about that. Many of my friends are somewhat nerdy and play video games, but don't know what TSW is. When one of them saw me play it and I told him all about it, he said something along the lines of "oh, that's pretty interesting". Looks like TSW's marketing campaign didn't work that well. A Steam sale could help it a lot.

The Secret World is an EA Games game (published by) and therefore you won't see it on Steam I think. They even refused to sell Battlefield 3 on steam and forced their stupid Origin down everyone's throat just because they want to own a Steam alternative and that's for EA Games way more important (money money) than the success of a single game.

I think that EA Games won't stop at trying to boycot Steam and promote their own Origin so no... I don't think you'll see a Steam sale for TSW even though it would be good for the game.

Originally posted by Normike

TSW is a good game. I just didn't enjoy it enough to justify a $15 a month. But B2P? Sure!

Probably wouldn't play it if it was F2P like Lotro though. That's a ripoff. Making you pay for certain quests, or talents, or weapons, or skills. Just bad.

 

Exactly this.  Cancelled my sub because I know GW2 is right around the corner and I'll be playing GW2 for a vey long time.  TSW was a really fun and unique game but once you finish the main storyline it reverts to the same failed vertical progression path that plagues the themepark sub genre.  I know some enjoy it but not nearly enough to have any long term success.

Originally posted by Ethos86

Originally posted by dekou

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

That guy is either delusional or naive.

All those who wanted to try TSW have already tried it. Those who want to play it are playing it.

A "relaunch" would actually send the wrong signal, and would be the worst PR move ever.

I don't know about that. Many of my friends are somewhat nerdy and play video games, but don't know what TSW is. When one of them saw me play it and I told him all about it, he said something along the lines of "oh, that's pretty interesting". Looks like TSW's marketing campaign didn't work that well. A Steam sale could help it a lot.

The Secret World is an EA Games game (published by) and therefore you won't see it on Steam I think. They even refused to sell Battlefield 3 on steam and forced their stupid Origin down everyone's throat just because they want to own a Steam alternative and that's for EA Games way more important (money money) than the success of a single game.

I think that EA Games won't stop at trying to boycot Steam and promote their own Origin so no... I don't think you'll see a Steam sale for TSW even though it would be good for the game.

TSW went up on steam over the weekend.  Mainly because it needs to reach a wider audience because by monetary and investors callings the game was a failure.