Originally posted by daltanious
I just hope will not be disappointed like from every single Korean trash so far. Most happy was with Aion ... up to aprox. lv. 20 ... then my disappointment was proportional to my happines at start.

GW 2 isn't made by Koreans or in South Korea......

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by BadSpock

Those things are coming.

Personal instance is already in game, changed based on story... but Guild Halls, in-game Hall of Monuments, and housing all coming post-launch.

But it'll likely be instanced housing which is not really a sandbox feature.

The sandbox comment was Garrett Fuller's opinion, not the person he was interviewing and I personally disagree with it. There really are not any sandbox features in the game at all. The only thing remotely resembling a sandbox feature is level scaling, making the world feel more open than your standard themepark. But even with that, you just have access to more rides.

I have no clue why he threw that in, but it is sure to create controversy.

Ok - let me explain it (how I see it)

Is GW2 a sandbox? No.

Is GW2 a theme park? Yes.

What is a theme park? It's a physical plot of land in which there are many rides and attractions for you to partake of and participate in.

What is a sandbox? It is a physical plot of land in which you have the tools to modify the plot itself and create new objects.

What GW2 is is a non-linear theme park.

You are not directed from 1-cap led by the hand, yes there are plenty of "rides" and locations in this themepark, but you can choose when to go to them (if at all) and how often you visit.

Because it is a non-linear themepark, some people (myself included) get that same feeling of wanderlust one generally gets in a well-made sandbox game (UO, SWG, Skyrim, etc.)

In most themeparks since WoW, you are led from ride to ride and you do not get a choice as to which ride you go to first and how often you are able to ride them and you are not able to go back and re-ride the same rides again because they tell you you've out grown them.

This is a linear themepark - straight line through content.

GW2 is a non-linear themepark, and as such "feels" a bit more sandboxy.

0.o big grats i dont think this statment could be explained any simpler or clearer. To you i tip my hat sir!

Originally posted by Kniknax

Originally posted by Tayah

Originally posted by WellzyC

He lost me at the "very much a sandbox" part. Unless they implement some sort of player housing, guild town or things of that nature, not sure how that statement has any validity.

It's already been said after launch they will have player housing and guild halls.

 

Blizzard said the exact same thing just before launch. 

If Anet implement them, I will be impressed and they will tempt even more WoW players across.

This is exactly why Guild Wars 2 is one of the biggest titles in the industry, even before release. Because people believe in ArenaNet and so far we have seen every single promise become a reality with out own eyes. With that said, people have already experienced ArenaNet´s '' promise into reality '' ideal in Guild Wars ( 1 ) and to be honest, I haven´t seen a company doing the MMO-job better than Anet.

Blizard may has the best support out there but they have promised things over and over and ... NOTHING.

Originally posted by MaxJac

Originally posted by Suryalist

Sandbox definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

Can't wait for GW2!

Are those links meant to convince everyone that GW2 is a sandbox game? Why is it so important that it be seen as a sanbox game anyways? Can't it be good without being a sandbox? I think so.

I think you could even argue that WoW was sandbox because you can pick and choose which quests to level up on, i.e. it isn't completely linear. However, the reality is that the game feels much more like what we know and love as a themepark, you go from ride to ride as you level up.

I've been waiting for 5+yrs and everything I've seen so far in betas and stress tests confirms that I've been right to be so filled with anticipation and now excitement.  So far, everything set out in the manifesto trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BPhT-KI1E) has been adhered to, which is wonderful.  Roll on 25th!

Like others have said, one of the things which pleasantly surprised me is that races (Charr, Asura) and classes (engineer, thief, guardian) which I did not expect to enjoy have drawn me in, so it's been hard to decide what to play at launch.  Finally got it narrowed down to Norn ranger, Asura elementalist and Charr guardian ... and that's just for starters.  Later there'll be a human mesmer and another Norn, this time a thief playing through the Sylvari area (that's one race I just couldn't take to).

Too bad they're releasing the game too early.  This is my biggest complaint after seeing the changes between all 3 BWEs.  The game isn't ready to be shipped, but they're doing it anyway.  (Combat is still garbage, especially for melee classes, and still doesn't give the feedback GW1 gave.)

That and the cost was $60.  GW2 is the first $60 game I ever purchased.  I could tolerate spending that much.. until I saw third party sites (like GMG) selling the game for as low as $45.  I've been fighting with NCSoft support for a month now and they've refused to do anything aside from a full refund/account ban.

Christ, seeing GW2 depresses me.  I don't even think I'll enjoy the game on release.

Originally posted by Razeekster
My only problem is the housing... It's called "housing," but you don't get an actual house to decorate or to do crafting in. I don't know how they can even call it housing. It's more of a personalized instance zone that you can go to.

They never call it housing, it's called your 'personal instance'. Housing is confirmed to be coming post-launch.

Originally posted by DAOWAce

Too bad they're releasing the game too early.  This is my biggest complaint after seeing the changes between all 3 BWEs.  The game isn't ready to be shipped, but they're doing it anyway.  (Combat is still garbage, especially for melee classes, and still doesn't give the feedback GW1 gave.)

That and the cost was $60.  GW2 is the first $60 game I ever purchased.  I could tolerate spending that much.. until I saw third party sites (like GMG) selling the game for as low as $45.  I've been fighting with NCSoft support for a month now and they've refused to do anything aside from a full refund/account ban.

Christ, seeing GW2 depresses me.  I don't even think I'll enjoy the game on release.

 

You're one of very few people with that opinion... GW2 is currently the most polished pre-release MMO I've seen.

Originally posted by DAOWAce

Too bad they're releasing the game too early.  This is my biggest complaint after seeing the changes between all 3 BWEs.  The game isn't ready to be shipped, but they're doing it anyway.  (Combat is still garbage, especially for melee classes, and still doesn't give the feedback GW1 gave.)

That and the cost was $60.  GW2 is the first $60 game I ever purchased.  I could tolerate spending that much.. until I saw third party sites (like GMG) selling the game for as low as $45.  I've been fighting with NCSoft support for a month now and they've refused to do anything aside from a full refund/account ban.

Christ, seeing GW2 depresses me.  I don't even think I'll enjoy the game on release.

You could buy it cheaper from third party websites and then get scammed. I saw loads of these posts on guild wars 2 facebook. And if you really feel that you should save $15 then just get a refund and buy a year or two from now when GW2 will probably lower price. And of course by that time all your complaints about being released too early will have been fixed.

Originally posted by yaoming36

You could buy it cheaper from third party websites and then get scammed. I saw loads of these posts on guild wars 2 facebook. And if you really feel that you should save $15 then just get a refund and buy a year or two from now when GW2 will probably lower price. And of course by that time all your complaints about being released too early will have been fixed.

GMG/Newegg doesn't scam people.

Buying the game a year+ down the road voids the entire point of wanting to play GW2 on release. (Not to mention my alias' will be taken)

I've been playing Guild Wars for over 7 years; I've been waiting for GW2 for a very, very long time.  Regardless of my desire to play GW2 ASAP, the beta weekends after #1 were not good experiences and showed clearly that the game was not ready to ship.  Sure, it may be more polished than most games on launch, but it doesn't mean it's ready.  I was expecting to play GW2 later in the year, but they insist on getting it out months earlier than anticipated for some reason.  That reason is what upsets me.

Originally posted by DAOWAce

Originally posted by yaoming36

You could buy it cheaper from third party websites and then get scammed. I saw loads of these posts on guild wars 2 facebook. And if you really feel that you should save $15 then just get a refund and buy a year or two from now when GW2 will probably lower price. And of course by that time all your complaints about being released too early will have been fixed.

GMG/Newegg doesn't scam people.

Buying the game a year+ down the road voids the entire point of wanting to play GW2 on release. (Not to mention my alias' will be taken)

I've been playing Guild Wars for over 7 years; I've been waiting for GW2 for a very, very long time.  Regardless of my desire to play GW2 ASAP, the beta weekends after #1 were not good experiences and showed clearly that the game was not ready to ship.  Sure, it may be more polished than most games on launch, but it doesn't mean it's ready.  I was expecting to play GW2 later in the year, but they insist on getting it out months earlier than anticipated for some reason.  That reason is what upsets me.

You must be a Developer or somekind of an MMO guru, cause I was in all three BWE and I didn't encounter any problems, and in my own personal experience, the BWE just got better and better. And all the major feedbacks was answered by Anet.

I actually find the combat fun, I played as an Warrior, and then Elementalist so Not sure what you meant by Melee being broken. My warrior was doing great, same for my Elementalist range and melee combat was very smooth on my end.

I guess I am just not in the same league as you to see the flaws in Game Design and MMO polish.

But atleast many that was in BWE agreed that the game is ready and the features are working as intended.

Originally posted by DAOWAce

Originally posted by yaoming36

You could buy it cheaper from third party websites and then get scammed. I saw loads of these posts on guild wars 2 facebook. And if you really feel that you should save $15 then just get a refund and buy a year or two from now when GW2 will probably lower price. And of course by that time all your complaints about being released too early will have been fixed.

GMG/Newegg doesn't scam people.

Buying the game a year+ down the road voids the entire point of wanting to play GW2 on release. (Not to mention my alias' will be taken)

I've been playing Guild Wars for over 7 years; I've been waiting for GW2 for a very, very long time.  Regardless of my desire to play GW2 ASAP, the beta weekends after #1 were not good experiences and showed clearly that the game was not ready to ship.  Sure, it may be more polished than most games on launch, but it doesn't mean it's ready.  I was expecting to play GW2 later in the year, but they insist on getting it out months earlier than anticipated for some reason.  That reason is what upsets me.

I really don't understand the part when you said "melee classes combat is still garbage". In pvp I owned with my thief melee, and watching other vids I've seen lots of other classes like warrior and guardian own as melee too. Also what the hell is wrong with you and paying 60$? Jesus Christ, you are such a stingy person it's not normal anymore. I personally think that 60$ is too little for what arenanet has created. Do you even realize how much it takes to develop such a game? Would you rather pay monthly in addition to B2P? They have to maintain the servers and they did say they will add more content/mechanics post-release such as dueling, guild housing etc. 

I feel sorry for NCsoft support for having such customers like you. TBH, the game is pretty polished. Maybe there are still some bugs and glitches, but that will be solved in time post-release. There is no perfect game mate. I played guild wars (1) and there were lots of stuff to be fixed too, even during EotN which is a long time after release.

Somehow I have the feeling that you are just upset that GW2 doesn't release later this year because of some personal reason of yours (Not good enough computer/Traveling to somewhere with bad or no connection to the internet etc.)

Originally posted by Razeekster
My only problem is the housing... It's called "housing," but you don't get an actual house to decorate or to do crafting in.

I am glad you don't get a house to do crafting in... SOE will tell you that too much utility in player housing is a BAD thing and damages the game world.

Player housing should be a creative experience that allows the player to express his character's identity and achievements, giving him the sense of building something as he goes.

Start putting ultility in there and no good ever comes from it.

Originally posted by 1vald2I really don't understand the part when you said "melee classes combat is still garbage". In pvp I owned with my thief melee, and watching other vids I've seen lots of other classes like warrior and guardian own as melee too. Also what the hell is wrong with you and paying 60$? Jesus Christ, you are such a stingy person it's not normal anymore. I personally think that 60$ is too little for what arenanet has created. Do you even realize how much it takes to develop such a game? Would you rather pay monthly in addition to B2P? They have to maintain the servers and they did say they will add more content/mechanics post-release such as dueling, guild housing etc. 

I feel sorry for NCsoft support for having such customers like you. TBH, the game is pretty polished. Maybe there are still some bugs and glitches, but that will be solved in time post-release. There is no perfect game mate. I played guild wars (1) and there were lots of stuff to be fixed too, even during EotN which is a long time after release.

Somehow I have the feeling that you are just upset that GW2 doesn't release later this year because of some personal reason of yours (Not good enough computer/Traveling to somewhere with bad or no connection to the internet etc.)

I feel like I'm wasting my time responding to this post, but here we go.

I'm talking about PvE combat; melee classes have had an incredibly hard time in PvE, especially in BWE1 (to the point where it was absolutely pointless to do anything in melee range against tougher monsters/harder dungeons). Combat was improved in BWE2 but still hasn't gotten to the point where melee classes are as effective as ranged classes. The lack of proper sound effects and visual cues of attacks in a game that's focused so heavily on dodging was missing as well. There's been numerous threads on the beta forums about this, so I'm not going into more details. If you were a beta tester and actually cared about feedback (in PvE at any rate), you'd have seen them.  Remember, GW2 is far more 'MMORPG' than GW, which was mainly a CORPG, so PvE matters a lot more than it did in the previous game.

$60 is a lot to me because I am unemployed and have limited finances to spend on luxury/entertainment.  There's people in the world who aren't as fortunate as you are; acting like an ass to said people isn't a very wise thing to do.

They also never had a problem maintaining GW1's servers despite not overcharging their customers like many of the poorly received publishers (EA, Activison) do today.  Oh and they're focusing even more heavily on the cash shop this time around, despite hefty price increase for even digital only copies.  All my GW1+Expansion copies have been physical, and they came with extras, and they all cost less. (I re-bought the GotY edition of Prophecies, insane, right?)

And yes, my whole reason for being upset about the early release is because there's something in my life preventing me from playing, not because I want the game to be released with a well rounded and balanced combat system and with overall polish, optimization (engine; BWEs have run fairly terrible (1 being abysmal), and with disregard to multi-GPU and multi-monitor systems) and refinement instead of being sub-standard, complained about and eventually fixed in a few months.  They've ignored very valid issues with the game engine; I can only hope they sort those out by release.  My computer is probably better than yours, by the way.

I'll stay my tongue about my negative opinions on responses like yours.  I hope you will learn to do the same in the future.

Originally posted by DAOWAce

Originally posted by 1vald2I really don't understand the part when you said "melee classes combat is still garbage". In pvp I owned with my thief melee, and watching other vids I've seen lots of other classes like warrior and guardian own as melee too. Also what the hell is wrong with you and paying 60$? Jesus Christ, you are such a stingy person it's not normal anymore. I personally think that 60$ is too little for what arenanet has created. Do you even realize how much it takes to develop such a game? Would you rather pay monthly in addition to B2P? They have to maintain the servers and they did say they will add more content/mechanics post-release such as dueling, guild housing etc. 

I feel sorry for NCsoft support for having such customers like you. TBH, the game is pretty polished. Maybe there are still some bugs and glitches, but that will be solved in time post-release. There is no perfect game mate. I played guild wars (1) and there were lots of stuff to be fixed too, even during EotN which is a long time after release.

Somehow I have the feeling that you are just upset that GW2 doesn't release later this year because of some personal reason of yours (Not good enough computer/Traveling to somewhere with bad or no connection to the internet etc.)

I feel like I'm wasting my time responding to this post, but here we go.

I'm talking about PvE combat; melee classes have had an incredibly hard time in PvE, especially in BWE1 (to the point where it was absolutely pointless to do anything in melee range against tougher monsters/harder dungeons). Combat was improved in BWE2 but still hasn't gotten to the point where melee classes are as effective as ranged classes. The lack of proper sound effects and visual cues of attacks in a game that's focused so heavily on dodging was missing as well. There's been numerous threads on the beta forums about this, so I'm not going into more details. If you were a beta tester and actually cared about feedback (in PvE at any rate), you'd have seen them.  Remember, GW2 is far more 'MMORPG' than GW, which was mainly a CORPG, so PvE matters a lot more than it did in the previous game.

$60 is a lot to me because I am unemployed and have limited finances to spend on luxury/entertainment.  There's people in the world who aren't as fortunate as you are; acting like an ass to said people isn't a very wise thing to do.

They also never had a problem maintaining GW1's servers despite not overcharging their customers like many of the poorly received publishers (EA, Activison) do today.  Oh and they're focusing even more heavily on the cash shop this time around, despite hefty price increase for even digital only copies.  All my GW1+Expansion copies have been physical, and they came with extras, and they all cost less. (I re-bought the GotY edition of Prophecies, insane, right?)

And yes, my whole reason for being upset about the early release is because there's something in my life preventing me from playing, not because I want the game to be released with a well rounded and balanced combat system and with overall polish, optimization (engine; BWEs have run fairly terrible (1 being abysmal), and with disregard to multi-GPU and multi-monitor systems) and refinement instead of being sub-standard, complained about and eventually fixed in a few months.  They've ignored very valid issues with the game engine; I can only hope they sort those out by release.  My computer is probably better than yours, by the way.

 

I'll stay my tongue about my negative opinions on responses like yours.  I hope you will learn to do the same in the future.

Sorry for my harshwords, I could've probably worded it a little better.

I am probably as poor as you are or even poorer but I do know that quality things have it's prices. Just as a comparison a person who played WoW for 6 years+ has paid about a thousand dollars on the game for subscription only, whereas you only pay 60$ once on GW2 (and you can play for 6 years too).  In addition to that you mentioned the cash shop, as you probably know it's not pay to win, so no reason for you to be wasting money there if you deem so.

I do understand your concern for the game, but I think it is pretty polished. The last stress test went rather smoothly.

Lastly about the PvE thing..sorry I can't argue with you on that point since I have been playing WvW and sPvP exclusively with my thief.