Originally posted by Magnetia

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by LytheEmber

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by alkrmr

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

This thread is about GW2 so please stay on topic.

 

Topic Hijacking/Derailing threads is a bannable offense and I wouldnt want to see any of you get banned. So please be respectful and stay on topic.

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None of that applies to me. Not sure how your reply was relevant. It was off-topic again though.....

 

 

Hmm, this whole thread is a bait.  Had it been in general forums perhaps not, but coming to the GW2 forums to do so is clearly a ploy to get responses, which you did...bravo.  What really makes it a bait is not that you told us you cancelled your pre-order (that in and of itself is fine) but that your "substantiated" reasons for doing so are OLD arguments presented as fact to help others understand the "truth" about the game. 

Your actions perfectly emulate the above statement.

 Wow you are really grasping at straws here.

 

So by your logic if someone had a complaint once about GW2 and brought it up it can never br brought up again as a valid reason otherwise it is an old argument and "baiting". Sure whatever you say pal. 

I am the BATMAN! *flies away*

Batman doesn't fly.

Spider-man, on the other hand... Well, I'll just let Spidey do the talking.

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees.

minus the elves and orcs as well...

The rest of your post though is your opinion, yet a politely disagree with all of it. Sorry the game didn't work out for you and I hope you find what you want.

No raids doesnt sound like an opinion at all... its just a fact...

There are raids though. It's just that they are not instanced.

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raid bosses

Usually a boss is strong enough that it cannot be defeated by a team smaller than the designed raid size parameters for that boss. For example, a normal team size might not exceed eight people, but a raid for a particular boss may require 40 or more people. A normal team size wouldn't be able to survive the amount of damage that the boss can do. Increasing the size of the group helps to distribute the boss's damage output amongst a greater number of targets, increases the number of characters doing damage to the boss simultaneously, and increases the number of support characters (healers, buffers, and debuffers) producing cumulative effects, enabling a greater number of characters to survive the boss's attacks and inflict enough damage on the boss to defeat it.

Quated by deffintion so yes world boss fights that take more then normal group size is considered a raid by deffintion. And many games have had these EQ1 did so did Vanilla WoW but people whined and had them changed to an instance cause you had to camp them in GW2 you dont because everyone involed getting rewarded EXP and loot no matter what.

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees.

minus the elves and orcs as well...

The rest of your post though is your opinion, yet a politely disagree with all of it. Sorry the game didn't work out for you and I hope you find what you want.

No raids doesnt sound like an opinion at all... its just a fact...

There are raids though. It's just that they are not instanced.

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

I'll only say this in response: I'm against traditional raids being in GW2 because their design philosophy is basically:

1. exclusive only to a certain group of people.
2. Gives the absolute best gear in terms of stats, thus trivializing all content that comes before it (assuming it's placed as endgame and not as a stepping stone or something).
3. Becomes obsolete the moment the next patch drops because the stats on the gear aren't the highest anymore.

 Wow you are really grasping at straws here.

 So by your logic if someone had a complaint once about GW2 and brought it up it can never br brought up again as a valid reason otherwise it is an old argument and "baiting". Sure whatever you say pal. 

Polite, well-written people (GW2 lovers or not) have addressed those concerns/issues in countless other threads so to you I say "yes."  If you were new to the site and had these concerns then I would say "no."  You would simply be asking and trying to understand for the FIRST TIME.

However, you and I both know that you are NOT here for answers or to understand anything.  You simply want to stir people up with same stuff that YOU have been saying for a long time.  This is not about hypothetical "people" it is about YOU starting this thread for negative reasons and filling it with what YOU believe to be fact when in reality it is not.  Do not feign innocence.

On topic: I might buy a character slot down the road sometime from the shop.

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by LytheEmber

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

Originally posted by alkrmr

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

This thread is about GW2 so please stay on topic.

 

Topic Hijacking/Derailing threads is a bannable offense and I wouldnt want to see any of you get banned. So please be respectful and stay on topic.

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• Posting comments within a thread which severely disrupts the original conversation is prohibited at MMORPG.com.
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• Game Attacks
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    Example: "Game X sucks." is not a legitimate comment. "Game X sucks, because..." is acceptable.
  •  
• Trolling
• Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
  For example: If there is one game that you did not enjoy, voicing your opinion is encouraged. Posting this opinion in every thread concerning that game to the point that it disrupts all other conversation is not tolerated.

None of that applies to me. Not sure how your reply was relevant. It was off-topic again though.....

 

 

Hmm, this whole thread is a bait.  Had it been in general forums perhaps not, but coming to the GW2 forums to do so is clearly a ploy to get responses, which you did...bravo.  What really makes it a bait is not that you told us you cancelled your pre-order (that in and of itself is fine) but that your "substantiated" reasons for doing so are OLD arguments presented as fact to help others understand the "truth" about the game. 

Your actions perfectly emulate the above statement.

 Wow you are really grasping at straws here.

 

So by your logic if someone had a complaint once about GW2 and brought it up it can never br brought up again as a valid reason otherwise it is an old argument and "baiting". Sure whatever you say pal. 

^

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees.

minus the elves and orcs as well...

The rest of your post though is your opinion, yet a politely disagree with all of it. Sorry the game didn't work out for you and I hope you find what you want.

No raids doesnt sound like an opinion at all... its just a fact...

There are raids though. It's just that they are not instanced.

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

But heartless......batman can glide farther and faster than spidey can swing ;( Plus he has a ship! Darnit all, batman is ze winner.

On Topic : Dungeons > raids in GW2. OP is stupid. Theres my contribution.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

Well, to be fair as I can be, Pelagato probably thought about Traditional Raids, not raid like content.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

Well, to be fair as I can be, Pelagato probably thought about Traditional Raids, not raid like content.

Traditional raids started with EQ, if I remember correctly. From what I understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong since I was busy playing UO back then, they were open world and required lots of groups to beat. Unless Pelegato's first MMO was WoW, then I can see where he's coming from.

Personally, I like open world raids. It allows for harder content but still makes it accessible for everyone, even those who are not in an uber guild.

Originally posted by Maketso

But heartless......batman can glide farther and faster than spidey can swing ;( Plus he has a ship! Darnit all, batman is ze winner.

 

On Topic : Dungeons > raids in GW2. OP is stupid. Theres my contribution.

Batman has a plane and that batgrappling hook too. With about two of those hooks he could be SpiderBatman.

On topic: GW2 has open world raids. 

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

Well, to be fair as I can be, Pelagato probably thought about Traditional Raids, not raid like content.

Traditional raids started with EQ, if I remember correctly. From what I understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong since I was busy playing UO back then, they were open world and required lots of groups to beat. Unless Pelegato's first MMO was WoW, then I can see where he's coming from.

Personally, I like open world raids. It allows for harder content but still makes it accessible for everyone, even those who are not in an uber guild.

Didn't play back then; I was thinking about WoW.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

Well, to be fair as I can be, Pelagato probably thought about Traditional Raids, not raid like content.

Traditional raids started with EQ, if I remember correctly. From what I understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong since I was busy playing UO back then, they were open world and required lots of groups to beat. Unless Pelegato's first MMO was WoW, then I can see where he's coming from.

Personally, I like open world raids. It allows for harder content but still makes it accessible for everyone, even those who are not in an uber guild.

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Originally posted by BilboDoggins Months ago before I started ebta testing this game I was very excited. I had bought into the hype that GW2 was the future and was gonna do things differently but after all the beta testing I finally had to be honest with myself about the game. The truth is that GW2 is basically more of the same with a few differences. 1. No raids- ANet removed raids because they know that their PVE system is to simple and casual to support complex and difficult raiding. Raids like everything else in GW2 (like pvp) are nothing but a button mashing zergfest. Having raids would have made this all the more obvious. 2. No sub fee but cash shop oreiented which borders on P2W- One of GW2 's big selling points is that it has no sub-fee. This is a good thing but in all honesty they HAD to do this since GW2 simply doesnt have the content to justify paying a monthly sub. So instead ANet added a cash shop which gives rewards as good as the best stuff you can find in game and other things which makes it arguably Pay 2 win. And even if its not P2W at launch its obvious to anyone who is familiar with MMO's that it will end up that way. 3. Pointless zerg pvp- PvP is supposed to be the strength of GW2 but in reality it is extremely shallow. PvP basically consists of running around in zergs and punching gates for hours on end for no reason.  There is no actual purpose to GW2 pvp. No ladders, rankings, and no way to build a rep because you are given a generic name so nobody knows who you are. 4. No endgame- GW2 endgame= the same stuff you were doing since level one since "everything is endgame". Once you hit 80 there is nothing to do which provides actual character progression anymore. I really wanted this game to succeed and be great but I cant lie to myself. The fact is that GW2 is shallow and generic. Its more elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees. Luckily TSW's excellent stories and atmosphere which is unique and difficult will be able to tide me over until Planetside 2 launches which will be the next big MMO that revolutionizes the genre.

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I have my own issues with GW2, and it's fine to have opinions. My only question is how the hell did you not know about everything you just complained about? I followed the game for maybe a few months before the beta, and I expected everything you mentioned. Everything I don't like about it came from actually having to experience it; evidently, you just plugged your ears and closed your eyes until you decided to make an impulse buy. I can't imagine you are happy with any game you buy, seeing as you don't actually follow them at all.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Pelagato

oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

Raids don't have to be instanced, you know.

Well, to be fair as I can be, Pelagato probably thought about Traditional Raids, not raid like content.

Traditional raids started with EQ, if I remember correctly. From what I understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong since I was busy playing UO back then, they were open world and required lots of groups to beat. Unless Pelegato's first MMO was WoW, then I can see where he's coming from.

Personally, I like open world raids. It allows for harder content but still makes it accessible for everyone, even those who are not in an uber guild.

Didn't play back then; I was thinking about WoW.

It's cool. WoW is a good game, one that I enjoyed for a few years. Although I stopped raiding after BWL, before the first expansion.

It's just that when people say traditional raids, I automatically think about EQ.

Originally posted by Magnetia

Originally posted by Maketso

But heartless......batman can glide farther and faster than spidey can swing ;( Plus he has a ship! Darnit all, batman is ze winner.

 

On Topic : Dungeons > raids in GW2. OP is stupid. Theres my contribution.

Batman has a plane and that batgrappling hook too. With about two of those hooks he could be SpiderBatman.

On topic: GW2 has open world raids. 

Haha exactly, hes the best!

On Topic: It Does? o.o Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot

not sure if this has been mentioned already but... http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360342/page/1

Okay.

it seems like you didnt like the secret world eather

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/360342/page/1

Originally posted by Maketso

Originally posted by Magnetia

Originally posted by Maketso

But heartless......batman can glide farther and faster than spidey can swing ;( Plus he has a ship! Darnit all, batman is ze winner.

 

On Topic : Dungeons > raids in GW2. OP is stupid. Theres my contribution.

Batman has a plane and that batgrappling hook too. With about two of those hooks he could be SpiderBatman.

On topic: GW2 has open world raids. 

Haha exactly, hes the best!

 

On Topic: It Does? o.o Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot

For my definition of a raid at least.

Big boss? Check.

Lots of people required? Check.

Phat lootz? Check.

What am I missing? 5 hours of organizing a bunch of idiots who can't learn ONE mechanic over SIX WEEKS. I'm not sad they left that part out.