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8/12/12 1:01:59 PM#81
Originally posted by Theocritus i dont think so, alot of people are sick of Fantasy. i have a feeling that GW2 and TSW are going to be the top 2. also they arent contenders because they aim at a different demographic. TSW aims at people who seek a challenge which involves them planning their attack, with a modern day setting. GW2 aims at people with decent reflexes who wish to remain in the fantasy world.
sorry to tell ya but TSW is going no where. Because i can. |
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8/12/12 1:03:59 PM#82
I dont find WOW any good. So this whole comparison makes no sense to me. I find TSW better than WOW but not good enough to put my money and time in it. No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please. |
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8/12/12 1:14:12 PM#83
While the game is technically sound, and the atmosphere is great, the combat leaves a lot to be desired, and the storyline's - while somewhat engrossing their first time through - are just not so great that they relied on people grinding the same missions over and over as content to keep them busy between patches. I can see this game being really good in a year when they have more content and the PvP issues have been (hopefully) worked out a good bit. Atmospherically, it's quite possibly the best MMO ever made. Gameplay-wise, it's nothing over-the-top special or anything. Personally, my biggest gripe, though, is the combat. The animations are incredibly mediocre, and I don't find myself really wanting to play using any of the weapons given to me. But that's my problem, not a generalization. :) I'm gonna say it. Since this game and SWTOR are most similar in terms of the major voice acting and stuff (easiest comparison anyway), I 100% prefer TSW's cutscenes and voice acting, and the way it's all handled. Yet, I actually prefer SWTOR's combat system and animations (which I don't even really like THAT much..) Hmm....! |
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8/12/12 1:37:49 PM#84
Ouch, bcbully.... This thread is like an accident, I can't look directly at it. It's too painful. no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled |
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8/12/12 1:43:31 PM#85
Originally posted by bcbully Are you seriously trying to pass off 17% as a good thing? Even funnier is trying to use broken rating systems to prove a point?! Please stop trying. What that poll showed is most here on this website think TSW isnt a verry good game. At 17% there is simply NO way you can possibly twist that as a good thing. Even saying a quater of the community (25%) would be pushing it as being a good thing. I dont hate TSW since I havent played it. I may not lke the developer but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game. I'm just laughing at someone thinking 17% is a positive thing. Its actually hilarious. |
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8/12/12 1:49:53 PM#86
Originally posted by Maitrader I'm curious how you know how much content GW2 is releasing with. Where you in the closed alpha testing? Maybe the super secret closed beta testing? Well you must have been since you know how much content its launching with. Mind sharing with us how polished the higher level content is since a good few of us are worried about that? Silly jabs aside I'm sure TSW is a good game. I'll try it when it goes F2P. I havent seen much bad said about it besides the quality of the combat so hopefully by the time I try it they fix that. |
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8/12/12 2:05:26 PM#87
Originally posted by Rayshe
I've got to be honest Rayshe, i'm surprised anyone can make this claim for any game after what happened to SWtoR. |
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8/12/12 2:07:49 PM#88
Originally posted by MMOSavant Hmm, good point actually. Wasn't SWTOR supposed to clean up all the unfulfilled sci-fi fans too? Between WoW and GW2 alone, it seems like a LOT of people still prefer fantasy, given that they have two sci-fi options, neither of which are blowing anyone away. no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled |
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8/12/12 2:22:12 PM#89
Originally posted by Eir_S
Agreed. I wouldn't bet on any new game thesedays surviving in their original form for more than a year or even less in some cases (Rift is the exception to the rule it seems), and I won't buy a game from launch again, SWtoR was the last i'll do that with. I'll be biding my time and watching the feedback with GW2 (beta feedback isn't enough, I fell for that with SWtoR). Someone earlier on this thread said that people fed up with fantasy are looking for a challenging game in a modern setting. Well I was looking for something different, SWtoR failed to deliver, but after playing TSW beta and for three weeks after launch i'm afraid it just wasn't challenging enough for me and the setting wasn't what I wanted or what I expected after all the hype. TSW might be fine for plenty of others but just not for me and not what I was expecting in a Lovecraftean/NWO themed mmog. |
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8/12/12 2:23:51 PM#90
Originally posted by Eir_S I think it's a misnomer that people are bored of fantasy. I think people are bored of fantasy that is not done particularly well. I mean Skyrim as a single player game sold over 10 million copies, fantasy to my mind is alive and kicking there is still a huge interest. Guild Wars 2 I imagine will do very well.
One thing that should be noted is Funcom's share price looks to be in freefall. The investors forced them to publish their sales figures. Now that is a very important point, because it means the investors don't have much confidence and wanted to make decisions based on some raw data. Something that Funcom has until now managed to avoid releasing. Unless they do something quickly, like go free to play with TSW, I don't think Funcom will be around much longer. They were in a negative cash flow situation prior to TSW and they banked on TSW being more of a success than it has been. You are in the territory now, if investors have no confidence, of a pure business decision being made. With little on the horizon, the future looks a bit bleak to me for Funcom. |
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8/12/12 2:38:55 PM#91
Originally posted by Loke666
i'm with you here. as was pointed out in the other thread. if the same poll had been done for SWTOR or WAR 1 month after release they may have gotten much higher numbers. for all i know WAR after 1 month would have gotten 90% saying it was the best game ever released.. maybe not. in any case.. i'm not sure it speaks highly of the game that 1 in 5 says this. at best i think that this data shows absolutely nothing. at worste it doesn't speak favorable of TSW that 4/5 voted against it while just outside of the 1 month window. anyways, useless data is useless.. not sure anyone at all would take this data seriously. kind of makes me feel like the OP has some sort of other agenda because i'm a little in denial even he would think this was meaningful data. |
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8/12/12 2:46:40 PM#92
everyone thinks their fotm is the best thing since wow .. often referred to as a wow-killer. it's a lot like newt gingrich endorsing mit romney. which has nothing to do with newt gingrich endorsing romney and everything to do with newt gingrich hating obama. ps im voting for mickey mouse, like I always do LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. |
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Originally posted by Ramanadjinn Subjective question on the opinion of a mmorpg.
Think about it, on that list for that time period of 7 years is there another game that nearly 20% of the people polled would say is the best? I don't think so. Make a poll for that game if you do.
There are over 100 games on that list and TSW got almost 20% of the vote.
DamonVile- Games built for disposable players are now apparently built by disposable employees. |
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8/12/12 2:53:43 PM#94
Originally posted by bcbully you really take that much stock in a poll of 350 users from MMORPG.COM? I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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8/12/12 2:54:02 PM#95
Originally posted by bcbully Make a poll with 100 games and your little pet game. See how it does then.
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8/12/12 2:54:13 PM#96
Any Poll on this site should not be taken seriously.
 My XIVPad: [video]http://xivpads.com?13754614[/video] |
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8/12/12 2:57:58 PM#97
Some parts of the world aren't very secret anymore. |
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8/12/12 3:02:13 PM#98
17% would be closer to 1 out of 6. That's 1 out of 6 TSW forums... is this supposed to make it look great? Somone needs to change their name to TSWBully
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8/12/12 3:04:59 PM#99
Originally posted by Calerxes
Statistics never lie. The letter 'a' never lies. The number '1' never lies. They are things. They are no more capable of lies than a rock or tree or a molecule of water.
People lie.
And people unthinkingly pass on tongue in cheek quips and miss what the person who said it MEANT by it. "Figures often beguile me," he [Twain] wrote, "particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'"
Disraeli never said that, btw. Which is an irony in and of itself. But what Twain is talking about is the deliberate manipulation of statistical information by liars in order to bolster weak arguments. But, the quote, like so many quotes is always taken out of context to prove nothing, but to sound wise while running a classic anti-intellectual position:
Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible. Alternatively, self-described intellectuals who are alleged to fail to adhere to rigorous standards of scholarship may be described as anti-intellectuals.
His method may be wrong. His conclusions erroneous. But you do not address that. You just drop a common anti-intellectual quip and act like you've won something.
As someone trained in stats, I can see the flaws of his argument. The easiest is the built in bias in the structure of the poll (a narrow selection of MMOs) and then drawing a conclusion that includes a different data set (all MMOs). But you don't address that. You just attack with a quip you heard somewhere without understanding the context from which it was lifted. Then to be, I guess, clever, you changed it...
So what? At least his error is honest... |
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Originally posted by shockleym Well it's up to 18.5%.
DamonVile- Games built for disposable players are now apparently built by disposable employees. |
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