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  Kilsin

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/12/08
Posts: 153

8/08/12 3:53:28 AM#61
Originally posted by Drakaden
Originally posted by brash99
Apparently it is back to green gear only for f2p. Such a shame.

This reason is exactly why i won't be playing their product anymore.

You guys can't expect everything for free...seriously.

It's a 5.8 yr old MMO that has always been subscription based, it is now allowing you to play all the way to the level cap of 55 for absolutely free.

Because you can't wear better gear than green, your going to complain? How cheap can you be!?

Fork over a measly $15 a month and its all unlocked...access 24/7 for a whole month to enjoy a great game without restrictions.

If you can't afford $15 or a few bucks in a cash shop to unlock gear and items that you like, you really shouldn't be playing games and should maybe find a free hobby or search for a job.

This is the mentality that is destroying the gaming industry at the moment and it's disgusting.

  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2886

8/08/12 3:59:13 AM#62

The changes are better.. but this item restriction thing is their downfall. Uncommon or above 'may' be restricted gives them the room to do anything they like with the items, who knows what that's supposed to mean...

When I logged into EQ2X and over half my items had gone into my inventory because they were legendary.. I very quickly hit the uninstall button. I know you can 'pay' to unlock them now but that's just not good enough.. it's the obsolute definition of pay to win. PAY to unlock items that are BETTER than the items players have if they choose not to pay. If they removed it I would be buying both expansions and a number of racees/classes right now, shame they have no real business sense.

We'll see what items are restricted in VG...

  SuperXero89

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Joined: 8/16/09
Posts: 2595

8/08/12 4:09:15 AM#63

On my existing character, I noticed that all the yellow gear I had previously stayed on my character even though I wasn't a gold member.  I was able to use all my bags as well.  At the very least, I saw this as an improvement over EverQuest 2 where upon logging in, all my gear popped off my toon, leaving me naked.  I wasn't expecting to be limited to only 10 quests.  My journal had 22 active quests, so I had to delete over half of them in order to pick up additional quests.

I wasn't impressed with the a lot of the new quests I undertook with my existing toon.  The game still seems to kick solo players in the balls which along with the crushing item restrictions will kill the game's attempted resurgence in the long run.

  AlBQuirky

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Joined: 1/24/05
Posts: 2706

Tomorrow's just a future yesterday...

8/08/12 4:17:06 AM#64


Originally posted by Kilsin

Originally posted by Drakaden

Originally posted by brash99
Apparently it is back to green gear only for f2p. Such a shame.
This reason is exactly why i won't be playing their product anymore.
You guys can't expect everything for free...seriously.

It's a 5.8 yr old MMO that has always been subscription based, it is now allowing you to play all the way to the level cap of 55 for absolutely free. In 6 races and 6 classes. All others NOT included are level 20 cap.

Because you can't wear better gear than green, your going to complain? How cheap can you be!? A built-in gameplay disadvantage. Do they want the number of players to increase or not? Remember, most wanting to play for free did NOT pay to play. Why would they now?

Fork over a measly $15 a month and its all unlocked...access 24/7 for a whole month to enjoy a great game without restrictions. Not very "free", is it? Basic gameplay is gimped from the get-go. Charge me for health/mana potions. Charge me for more bag space. Charge me for XP potions. Don't gimp my character, please.

If you can't afford $15 or a few bucks in a cash shop to unlock gear and items that you like, you really shouldn't be playing games and should maybe find a free hobby or search for a job. In order to be competitive, I must pay. Not very free or inviting. Do they want to draw in new players or not? These new players, remember, did NOT pay the fee beforehand to play. Why would they pay now?

This is the mentality that is destroying the gaming industry at the moment and it's disgusting. The players did not cry out for F2P. The company did. The ONLY reason is to breathe life into dieing servers. The major factor here is that these players did NOT pay to play recently. The company is trying to entice them (us) in. Bring their player numbers up. Gimping their characters is NOT the way to do it. There is A LOT of things they could charge extra for. And they do :) But making a player's character "less" than any other is not the way to draw more players into the fold.

Remember, if these F2P players wanted to pay to play, they would already be doing so.



- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Vannor

Elite Member

Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2886

8/08/12 4:44:55 AM#65

ALL Blue and above adventuring gear restricted to gold memebers or require payment to unlock them on a case by case basis.. pay to win.

Uninstalled.

This is NOT how to do the FTP thing. Shame.

  InFlamestwo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/20/11
Posts: 677

8/08/12 5:56:16 AM#66
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by Drakaden
Originally posted by brash99
Apparently it is back to green gear only for f2p. Such a shame.

This reason is exactly why i won't be playing their product anymore.

You guys can't expect everything for free...seriously.

It's a 5.8 yr old MMO that has always been subscription based, it is now allowing you to play all the way to the level cap of 55 for absolutely free.

Because you can't wear better gear than green, your going to complain? How cheap can you be!?

Fork over a measly $15 a month and its all unlocked...access 24/7 for a whole month to enjoy a great game without restrictions.

If you can't afford $15 or a few bucks in a cash shop to unlock gear and items that you like, you really shouldn't be playing games and should maybe find a free hobby or search for a job.

This is the mentality that is destroying the gaming industry at the moment and it's disgusting.

Have you seen the cash-shop? it's expensive as hell. Take games like Allods etc, they allow you to play any race and any class and they have a cash-shop. People buy XP boosts, Mounts, Cool looking gear, Pets and more.

Races & Classes should be free or atleast limit only a few classes, one of each combat role that are unique to Vanguard. 

Tank: Dread Knight.

Light Fighter: Monk.

Healer: Disciple, Blood Mage.

Caster: Psiconist.

These classes are unique to Vanguard. This is more reasonable.

Thestran: Vulmane

Kojan: Raki

Qalia: Kurashasa

Races unique to Vanguard. Other races are either Humans or Tolkien races.

  InFlamestwo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/20/11
Posts: 677

8/08/12 5:57:14 AM#67
Originally posted by Vannor

ALL Blue and above adventuring gear restricted to gold memebers or require payment to unlock them on a case by case basis.. pay to win.

Uninstalled.

This is NOT how to do the FTP thing. Shame.

The patch was supposed to release 14th August and in that patch they will remove those restrictions.

  Everket

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/11
Posts: 219

8/08/12 6:24:56 AM#68
Originally posted by Vannor

The changes are better.. but this item restriction thing is their downfall. Uncommon or above 'may' be restricted gives them the room to do anything they like with the items, who knows what that's supposed to mean...

This. I just can't see many previous vanguard players logging back in, and staying after seeing the gear restriction. While you may say people are cheap etc. It's just feels wrong logging back in and having this restrictions right off the bat, with so many games out there, you have to give a good impression right away. Or people are just going to leave, and never look back. What a wasted opportunity this is gonna be imo.

 

Inflamestwo you sure about that? If so that is good news, but doing it that way is DUMB AS HELL. So many players will try the game out before 14th august, and almost everyone will leave imo  because of the gear restriction. Most of them will not be back even if things change at 14th. Mmorpg rarely gets a second chance.

 

God why soe, you must you waste this opportunity :(

 

The forums is raging because of the gear restriction and rightly so. I was so optimistic, but after just one day, I've lost almost all hope.

  Flaming_MMO

Novice Member

Joined: 2/13/12
Posts: 141

8/08/12 6:59:51 AM#69
Given the item restriction, does that make certain classes better over others? Say would a necromancer be better off with the restrictions than classes that rely on tanking themselves?
  Kilsin

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/12/08
Posts: 153

8/08/12 9:11:35 AM#70

Players need to keep in mind this is not the F2P launch.

The F2P launch is on the 14th of August.

This is a bug smashing test to release a solid update on the 14th.

There will be changes made before it is released ont he 14th, I assure you.

  Kilsin

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/12/08
Posts: 153

8/08/12 9:13:03 AM#71
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by Vannor

ALL Blue and above adventuring gear restricted to gold memebers or require payment to unlock them on a case by case basis.. pay to win.

Uninstalled.

This is NOT how to do the FTP thing. Shame.

The patch was supposed to release 14th August and in that patch they will remove those restrictions.

That is pure speculation, that has not been announced by the Devs or anyone employed by SOE.

I wouldn't spread lies like that around these boards, you will only piss people off and make them angry at SOE.

  Kilsin

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/12/08
Posts: 153

8/08/12 9:17:37 AM#72
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by Kilsin
Originally posted by Drakaden
Originally posted by brash99
Apparently it is back to green gear only for f2p. Such a shame.

This reason is exactly why i won't be playing their product anymore.

You guys can't expect everything for free...seriously.

It's a 5.8 yr old MMO that has always been subscription based, it is now allowing you to play all the way to the level cap of 55 for absolutely free.

Because you can't wear better gear than green, your going to complain? How cheap can you be!?

Fork over a measly $15 a month and its all unlocked...access 24/7 for a whole month to enjoy a great game without restrictions.

If you can't afford $15 or a few bucks in a cash shop to unlock gear and items that you like, you really shouldn't be playing games and should maybe find a free hobby or search for a job.

This is the mentality that is destroying the gaming industry at the moment and it's disgusting.

Have you seen the cash-shop? it's expensive as hell. Take games like Allods etc, they allow you to play any race and any class and they have a cash-shop. People buy XP boosts, Mounts, Cool looking gear, Pets and more.

Races & Classes should be free or atleast limit only a few classes, one of each combat role that are unique to Vanguard. 

Tank: Dread Knight.

Light Fighter: Monk.

Healer: Disciple, Blood Mage.

Caster: Psiconist.

These classes are unique to Vanguard. This is more reasonable.

Thestran: Vulmane

Kojan: Raki

Qalia: Kurashasa

Races unique to Vanguard. Other races are either Humans or Tolkien races.

Yes but this is not Allods and never will be, you need to understand that. Vanguard will never be a truly free to play MMO, it was never designed for that model and that model will destroy Vanguard if implemented.

Vanguard needs a subscription and/or a steady flow of cash shop purchases to do well and gain more developer support.

This is a teaser/free to play trial that lets you level all the way up to 55, the current cap in basic gear with some allowances. You have the option to spend a decent amount of money to unlock things or pay a small $15 subscription to enjoy it all.

You posted the exact same thing on the VG boards and got it wrong there too.

Please read the F2P Matrix, it tells you what classes are playable by F2P players and what isn't.

  Lobotomist

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Joined: 5/20/07
Posts: 4701

I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

8/08/12 9:20:33 AM#73
KUDOS Sony !
  Mouls

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Joined: 2/23/08
Posts: 78

8/08/12 1:06:06 PM#74

$4.50 per gear unlock is too expensive

and they lied about F2P using yellow gear

  Everket

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Joined: 3/22/11
Posts: 219

8/08/12 1:39:24 PM#75
Doesn't really matter much if they change it by the 14th, the damage will be done by then. A lot of players will have tried the f2p model and just moved on. They only get once chance from 95% of people I reckon.
  User Deleted
8/08/12 3:15:13 PM#76

I'm disappointed in the gear restrictions. I had originally written off Vanguard after seeing the original F2P matrix. Then they said they "may" remove some restrictions, including the common or better item restrictions. That was the biggie to me. But now it looks like they didn't change it so...I'll have to decide if I'll keep playing or not. Probably not with the restriction.

 

  popsicledeath

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Joined: 6/27/10
Posts: 109

8/08/12 6:09:23 PM#77

The item restrictions are the only thing I really don't like about this.  I've played Vanguard more than most, paid into it more than most, etc.  There's a chance I'd re-sub for the really good raid/group drops.  There's a chance I'd sub to get to play some of the more interesting combinations of race/class past 30.  There's a chance I'd sub if the population got bigger and SOE seemed to really be giving solid, long-term dev attention to Vanguard.

 

There's NO chance in hell I'll spend a dollar to get to wear higher than green items.  Especially when it seems like an awful lot more blue and yellow items are dropping in start zones now, off routine mobs, than I ever remember before.  To any gamer with any ounce of experience (or jading) that just screams of greed and a cash-shop done wrong.  The once-every-20-minutes OH LOOK AT THIS ITEM... sorry you can't use it!  Isn't enticing, it's a slap in the face.

 

My hope is they clarify it'll not be like this for launch.  A red item is reason to fork over some cash, not some blue item at level 2 that just dropped off a beetle.  My guess is this IS intended, though, and SOE actually things upping the 'good' drops of gear like this, then having the 'neener neener, need a gold membership' is actually a good model.  It's not, because people won't stick around long enough to WANT to pay or the game, as they'll constantly feel SOE is standing their making it so they NEED to pay.

 

Psych 101, really.  Try to MAKE me pay just to seem to have any chance at surviving in the game and I'll refuse. Make me WANT to pay, for whatever reason, and I'll gladly fork over some money even if it's just a good-faith gesture.

According to a Facebook quiz, I'm a genius.

  Mardukk

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Joined: 2/05/11
Posts: 1266

8/08/12 6:15:12 PM#78
They shouldn't have even suggested that they were lifting some of the item restrictions.  Half of the crap ass blue items I have are gold membership only. 
  ozerinx

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Posts: 200

8/12/12 2:16:07 AM#79
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by Kilsin

Originally posted by Drakaden

Originally posted by brash99
Apparently it is back to green gear only for f2p. Such a shame.

This reason is exactly why i won't be playing their product anymore.
You guys can't expect everything for free...seriously.

 

It's a 5.8 yr old MMO that has always been subscription based, it is now allowing you to play all the way to the level cap of 55 for absolutely free. In 6 races and 6 classes. All others NOT included are level 20 cap. 

Look at DDO, LOTR, AOC. 

 

Because you can't wear better gear than green, your going to complain? How cheap can you be!? A built-in gameplay disadvantage. Do they want the number of players to increase or not? Remember, most wanting to play for free did NOT pay to play. Why would they now?

I agree with disadvantge but to your rant after your statement. 

SOE does not give a damn. The game was on life-support with 1 developer for 5 years. Yes 1 DEVELOPER. 

Fork over a measly $15 a month and its all unlocked...access 24/7 for a whole month to enjoy a great game without restrictions. Not very "free", is it? Basic gameplay is gimped from the get-go. Charge me for health/mana potions. Charge me for more bag space. Charge me for XP potions. Don't gimp my character, please.  

 

SOE does not give a damn. The game was on life-support with 1 developer for 5 years. Yes 1 DEVELOPER. 

 

 

If you can't afford $15 or a few bucks in a cash shop to unlock gear and items that you like, you really shouldn't be playing games and should maybe find a free hobby or search for a job. In order to be competitive, I must pay. Not very free or inviting. Do they want to draw in new players or not? These new players, remember, did NOT pay the fee beforehand to play. Why would they pay now?

If you are competitive you will be willing to pay. Which competitive gamer has not paid for advantages one way or another. Better Keyboard, mice, gaming rig. You are paying to get better performance in a game. Most new players won't stay wtih the game and back to my point -

SOE does not give a damn. The game was on life-support with 1 developer for 5 years. Yes 1 DEVELOPER. 

This is the mentality that is destroying the gaming industry at the moment and it's disgusting. The players did not cry out for F2P. The company did. The ONLY reason is to breathe life into dieing servers. The major factor here is that these players did NOT pay to play recently. The company is trying to entice them (us) in. Bring their player numbers up. Gimping their characters is NOT the way to do it. There is A LOT of things they could charge extra for. And they do :) But making a player's character "less" than any other is not the way to draw more players into the fold.

Remember, if these F2P players wanted to pay to play, they would already be doing so

My friend from SoE said they have recieved over 500 subscribers for Vanguard since F2P. With half paying the 3 month membership and some the other types. Now for a game that is on life-support I am pretty sure SoE is stoke as hell. 

In terms of profitability to manpower on the game, SoE with this little stunt just made a ton of money. 

The only game that you can play with all those comment you made is probably GW2. Since as of right now they are promising TRUE F2P with no cash shop items. We will see how that goes. 

 

SOE does not give a damn. The game was on life-support with 1 developer for 5 years. Yes 1 DEVELOPER. 


 

 

  DashiDMV

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8/12/12 2:21:47 AM#80
You know I always wondered how long Vanguard was on life support, also how many developers it had. I wish someone on here knew.
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