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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 

General Discussion  » Gave it a try sadly i wont be playing,,,,

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8/09/12 9:23:33 PM#61
Originally posted by pierth

The only issue I have with the F2P matrix is the gear cap- in a gear-based game this can't exist if you want players to stay after they reach the level cap. The other things, such as extra bank/bag space and housing fit to me as premium services. As it is with the current matrix I believe the game will be very playable without spending any money so long as you're only interested in adventuring and don't mind abandoning your toons once you hit the level cap.

I personally hope the current matrix proves to be a disastrous failure and $OE only loses subs from it. I think they would have far more success losing the F2P matrix, adding only convenience and cosmetic items (pots, pets, mounts, etc.) in the cash shop and just charging $5/mo in subscription would be much more profitable.

To me, the biggest problem is that there are some quest rewards that you can't use.  Not level cap quest rewards either, but normal progressing through the 1-55 content quests that the rewards require a gold membership.


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8/09/12 11:43:32 PM#62
So much mis-information here.  You can wear blue items that are up to level 30.  Some people are even saying that you can just equip them and it work fines even above that.  You can unlock all the gear you would need up to level 50 or so with just $20 through the store.  The biggest issue though is that people don't realize that VG isn't that gearcentric.  Tonight there was quite the number of people playing (over 60 just in human starting area).  We ran groups for dungeons for levels 10-15 stuff and had a blast.  You can technically play the game to cap for 100% free and can be just fine for minimal money.  Try it and see before complaining...

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8/09/12 11:52:17 PM#63
Originally posted by Letsinod
So much mis-information here.  You can wear blue items that are up to level 30.  Some people are even saying that you can just equip them and it work fines even above that.  You can unlock all the gear you would need up to level 50 or so with just $20 through the store.  The biggest issue though is that people don't realize that VG isn't that gearcentric.  Tonight there was quite the number of people playing (over 60 just in human starting area).  We ran groups for dungeons for levels 10-15 stuff and had a blast.  You can technically play the game to cap for 100% free and can be just fine for minimal money.  Try it and see before complaining...

$20 to unlock all the gear? It'd be much better to pay the $15 sub and unlock everything, create all the classes/races you want etc. and play for a month to actually see if you'd enjoy it.

1 month's time is a lot of time


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8/10/12 12:02:06 AM#64
Originally posted by ellobo29

Enjoyed the game for the potentcial fun that could be had. Im not saying i had fun... but i could see myself having fun in this game if i subscribed but it had too many problems for me to actually spend money. I dont want to subscribe to ANY game this late in its development........what i want is a Quality F2P that i can occasionaly spend a dollar or 5 once in a while for a cosmetic item.

Thats not what you get here.....too many restrictions for me to call this F2P.

1. Cant use top tier gear that you find as f2p... seriously what up with dat? gold drops are for subscription users only, fook dat! I  find an item off random mob, say to myself oooh thats nice. try to equip it and game says i got to pay to equip an item i already felt i worked for.....

2 Severe bank restrictions,,, your personal inventory is reduced.... i say to myself ok no big deal... i expected that..... Then i find a bank.....YOU CANT EVEN USE HALF THE AVALIABLE SLOTS WTF! you only get 25 slots for free? seriously thats basicly unplayable. So you really believe im only going to find 25 usefull items in game that im going to want to keep around? thats insaine.

3. More then hafl the races and jobs are locked until you pay.....some of this i expected but lock ranger? REALLY?   ya ok, whatever FU.

4. Finally the straw that broke the camels back is..... cant own a home without  subscription, or real pay. im kinda dissapointed by this one.....some might not care but i did.

5. Restriction on how much gold you can have......SERIOUSLY?

Lets be clear.... no one thing on my list is keeping me from playing its the accumalation. Aion might not be a good game but at least its 100% free.... all purchaseable items are cosmetic...... which is why i keep playing.... and occasionaly spend money.

So thats the bad how about the good.

Grapics on this game are amasing,,,,,, the clipping range and view distance is awesome i feel like i can see miles away. And there is something about the textures i like.

Big game= explorers paradise...... maps are huge.... maybe biggest ive ever seen and there are 3 of em. like someone said in chat.... "You will probably play this game to 55 twice and never see all this game has to offer."

Many things to do in game makes for sandboxy feel. You can level via Crafting (which i hear is extremely deep and engaging), or level via Adventuring (bashing brains in with my axe), or via Diplomacy. (watched a tutorial seemed interesting).

So thats it.... i actually like the game...but id have to buy a subscription to enjoy it fully. and im just not in a place in my life where i want to subscribe to any game really. (just lost a job heh). But in all seriousness if it was just one thing i didnt just spend the cash to unlock it and continue to enjoy the game....but its too much.....too much restriction.....

Its like i dont feel SOE wanted me to stay and at least POPULATE the feels like a big FU. Try out the game for yourself.... let me know do you feel the same way? I hope somebody from SOE is reading this someday. And if they are....I just want them to know i will be spending more in the in-game item shop in guild wars2 and aion then i will in your silly little game because those company's know how to show me they REALLY want my business......

Is your keyboard broken!


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8/10/12 7:22:06 AM#65
Originally posted by Zooce
Originally posted by Kilsin

While I agree the restrictions could be lightened there is nothing stopping you playing the game and enjoying it the way it is now.

Nothing except the:

Originally posted by kulhat

many bugs and errors, crashes and minute long lag spikes.

Seriously, doesn't anyone read the forums or investigate this stuff before they post negative things?

I am so sick of repeating myself for lazy people.

This is not the full F2P, this is a test run, allowing SOE to fix any issues, bugs, glitches, server stability... BEFORE the OFFICIAL F2P launch, which has been advertised numerous times for the 14th of August!

4 more days of testing and bug fixing to enable them to release a solid F2P model.

Relax and give constructive feedback or uninstall the game and save us all the headaches of reading this "I want everything for free whinging" :(

Not saying you personally but jesus up on the subject before posting about bugs.

It is not fully F2P yet. Players need to understand this and stop whinging.

SOE are reading the boards and listening to us, they have already made numerous chnges to favour the F2P crowd.

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OP  8/10/12 7:28:15 AM#66
Originally posted by UnleadedRev

When you all gonna learn:




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OP  8/10/12 7:31:51 AM#67
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by ellobo29

i actually like the game...but id have to buy a subscription to enjoy it fully. and im just not in a place in my life where i want to subscribe to any game really. (just lost a job heh).

Its like i dont feel SOE wanted me to stay and at least POPULATE the feels like a big FU.


FU to a non paying customer that has no intention of ever spening a dime on their service?

Who woulda thunk.

GOOD READING SKILLS THERE....i said i actually WOULD spend money on the game if i felt it wasnt so dumbed down and greedy, maybe you missed that part.... i encourage to read again?


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OP  8/10/12 7:41:51 AM#68

Listen i dabble a little bit in sales.... Not much but enough to know that even when your product isnt the greatest, and your sales man is garbage, if you can show the product to enough people and get it out there for all to see.


Thats right now the VANGUARD problem. And bad buzz about this F2P thingy will not get anyone to download and check it out for themselfs thats why i didnt totally bash the game.... read my positive points at bottom.

When you are playing an MMO solo or with a group of friends, even thou you may not like grouping with others per se. You still enjoy seeing other people around just playing out there lives..... or reading the all chat. If that wasnt the case you would be playing a console. My point is when 75% of your player base isnt spending money yet enjoying the game if your player base is big enough... the 25% that is spending money usually make up for the 75%

All SOE needs to do is change up there f2p a bit to get people in there........ and somebody somewhere will start spending money. It shows a lack of imagination, and desire if this is the only way to make money,

Some games just make money off of pets.... pets that buff you..... pets that act as a walking bank that follows you and you click on and it grants accese to your bank.......pets that auto loot for you.... and i havent even started talking about skins. October is comming up and lots of holloween skins sell that time of year.... see what im getting at.

Im not a troll and i dont iike any business not to thrive. There was a study done at a magizine company i used to work for...(not sure if it really applys but it feels like it does) When we put the 1.00$ price tag on the magizine nobody wanted to buy the magizine. So we took the 1.00$ price tag off, and when people asked how much was the magizine, we said its not free but you get to decide how much you spend on it, most people opted between 5.00-10.00$ per magizine, and then we made lots of profit...........I guess my point is when you make someone feel forced to spend money they feel less in the mood to spend the money.


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8/10/12 6:53:05 PM#69
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Starpower

Same here

I don't really care about space,money, chunk or class/race restrictions. I understand a F2P scheme is suppose to bring money in, but the item restriction just means I can't play any of my toons unless I either downgrade their gear or pay a full subscription price of 15 bucks. That would have been OK if the game was worth 15 a month alongside other triple A titles.

Not entirely true. They have gear unlockers which cost about 50c per item, less if you buy them on sale. The items that are restricted are raid and high end group tier.

Not defending the subscription model though, it really is horrible. SoE don't seem to understand that people will spend a bucketload of cash on appearance items, mounts and convenience gear as long as they don't feel pressured into paying just to play on par with other players. I hope more adopt the Aion model and not SoEs.

Is that suppose to be better? Even for 4 characters I would have to pay more than a months subscription. Even with it unlocked forever that's just not a good deal for me. Not only do I play a lot more than 4 characters ( I pretty much play them all, or should I say played) I don't even want to think about the cost of unlocking every single slot.

As I've said before. I understand that nothing is free even in a F2P title. I just find this particular nickle and diming too much. I would gladly pay for ekstra bag space, dungeon/chunk, crafting, hell even to unlock progress past level 20. The gear thing is a tad rediculous.. just a tad.

That's not to mention the rediculous price of a gold membership which is the same as the subscription was before it became F2P. If people thought this game was worth 15 a month, then It would have had more people playing it. It shouldn't cost more than 10 bucks a month for a gold membership period.


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8/11/12 3:07:51 PM#70

Originally posted by Silius
(Regarding grandfathering rules) All returning characters will have access to all of the items that they currently have on their character.

Source here

Definitely an improvement.

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8/12/12 1:55:32 AM#71

To be honest I don't get why everyone is so fed up to have to start a thread every where to bash on vanguard. If you listen to the developers and the q/a or even follow the forums. Multiple people have said "vanguard" is not a game for everyone. It caters to older generation public that is patient and is semi nostalgic for EQ1. The F2P model is just a way for SoE to milk more money for EQ next. Since the F2P announcement the Vanguard threads have been going nuts and getting tons of attention.

Yes 90% of the people might rage or complain but if you read this thread alone they have already succedded in gaining at least 10-50 customers that have paid. I myself am willing to also play if I knew people that were interested in this game but everyone seems to be waiting for the "next best thing" (GW2, neverwinter, etc) How many are going to succeed probably none. Every game has flaws and design errors that are not meant to please the public. Find something you enjoy and then enjoy it with your friends and that is the most fun you will get out of the game.


Now to adress the F2P Model. 

Minus league of legends which is not an MMORPG it is more a MMORTS. 

Every model has major restrictions.

I don't think I have played a F2P that does not require any money to complete end game content.

I have played to cap in AOC, DDO, LOTR, PWI, ALLODS, Runes of Magic. (Every one of those game were F2P but the end game is unbearable unless you paid or had a lot of time to grind daily to Turbine Points.)

ACTUAL F2P games that 99% of the population refuses to play because they are old, chibi, lack of contents, etc. 

Ragnarok Online, Eden Eternal, even Tera.

Yes tera cost money to buy the game but as long as you play 10-20 hours a week the game is pretty much F2P. I only paid for Tera for 2 months until the release of Chronoscroll and now my accoutn is paid for till June of 2013 even though I am already done with the game. Even though these games that I just listed is complete F2P but if you are willing to pay money the reward you gain is huge vs people that are playing it F2P. 


To OP and everyone that is not familar with SoE. They don't care if people plays Vanguard from day one when it was purchased so what makes you think they will now? Promise of more developers? Promise of more contents? Promise of "f2p"? 


I am going to assume OP doesn't play much F2P game. Your point 2., 3., 4., 5. is in most other F2P games one way or the other. 


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8/12/12 3:43:22 AM#72

I am enjoying this game.  I bought it when it first came out and my computer could not handle it.  Shelved it and the F2P announcement made me remember it. 


I have no issue with the F2P setup that SOE made for this game.  I do not expect to get entertainment for free, and will either buy things individually or just set up a subscription.

Waiting on: The Repopulation


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8/14/12 12:54:37 AM#73 be..........easier you used..............fewer ellipses...........and more.............proper...................................................................punctuation.



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