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8/01/12 5:22:02 PM#21
Originally posted by Quirhid

Its not the one who sells but the one who buys...

A whole scene from Hellraiser 2 just flashed before me. :)


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8/01/12 5:24:35 PM#22

Your argument for why it should be illegal is that you don't think it's worth the price?

I think we're done here.

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8/01/12 5:29:46 PM#23

I'm not against games charging for things such as mounts or cosmetics but the prices are a bit ridiculous. How can we be o.k with paying a third of a total games brand new cost for a single cash shop item such as a mount. I always cringe when I hear of people buying items in diablo for more than they payed for the game. I mean to consider a cosmetic change a premium service in a game is a bit beyond me.


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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

8/01/12 5:33:58 PM#24
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

Guess what? Lightbulbs that last 100 years cost as much to make as ones that last 1 year.

Men's razor blades cost fractions of pennies to produce but are sold for outrageous prices.

It doesn't cost much more to make a sports car than an economy sedan.

Welcome to business 101:

the price reflects what the market will bear.

Is $20 dollars over priced for a race change? Not for the people who spend it. And there are enough people who find it a fair price, that you probably won't see it drop until people stop buying it.


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8/01/12 5:34:33 PM#25
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

Well, you see, companies are there to make money.

They have employees and those employees would like to keep their jobs and even make a decent salary with decent benefits. That costs money.

The company might also have investors. Investors buy stock in companies because they expect a return for that investment. A company needs to be successful otherwise those investors are going to lose money.

Player x wants to change his "name/sex/race/appearance". Company Y needs to find ways to be profitable.

So they make a decision to offer a service for Z amount of dollars.

Player X might think it's "robbyery" (in the figurative sense) and not pay it. Because of this company Y doesn't get the money they want and might even suffer a pr embarassment. So before they do any of this they decide what the market will sustain and hope they are right.

And if they are correct then Player X gets their service, company Y gets their Z amount of dollars. the players are happy, the company is happy, the employees are happy and the investors are happy.


That probably sounds a bit condescending but that's how it works. That's reality. You have a job (I assume, you hid your age so who knows) and you might even have investments for retirment. You want that job to sustain your life and you want those investments to sustain your older life.

So, you want the companies you invest in, whether with time or money, to be successful.

Or do you go to your company and say "no, you shouldn't think of ways to make more money even if the consumer has a choice in whether or not they indulge in our products/services.

Or maybe you do?



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8/01/12 6:21:50 PM#26
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

Payers will pay for it!  Complete genius.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.


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8/01/12 6:25:45 PM#27
Originally posted by Psychow

People sould read this before getting married!!

By "How to avoid losing half of your money" or the alternate title "How much did that night with the blonde really cost?"

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.


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8/10/12 10:45:06 PM#28
Originally posted by Ashen_X
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

How can a player be engaged in robbery if he is the one choosing to pay for the service ?


For that matter, how can it be robbery if paying for the service is completely consensual ?



Think about it. Paying a company for a service that you desire.


Not that I am going to get all spasmic on this paticular topic, but I do really wish that people who have no clue what capitalism is would stop using the word.


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8/10/12 10:50:52 PM#29
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

The world would be a better place without people who say stuff like this.


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8/10/12 11:25:26 PM#30
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8/10/12 11:31:14 PM#31

You are not paying them for their time to do the race change.  As you said, it's very quick and easy.

You are paying them for saving YOUR time.  Long ago, people who played MMOs had to make sure they made the right decisions for their characters.  They better pick the race, class, and build that they wanted, or they would end up having to start over at level 1 with a new character to change it.

Then someone decided that they would take the time to actually develop a process to save the players that effort.  But, as with any software, developing it takes resources so to sell it to their bosses they said:

"Hey! We are saving the players all that time they would have to spend leveling a new character, I'm sure we could charge for it."

And lo, the ability to pay for a race change was born.

If you don't like it, as others have said, the option we used in days gone by is still available.  Start a new character.


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8/11/12 3:24:33 AM#32
Paying for convenience is the cornerstone of today's consumer experience.

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8/11/12 3:40:33 AM#33
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

I tend to think of the price as being a fine for people being willing to pay $20 dollars to have one variable changed on their characters.


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8/11/12 8:26:22 AM#34
It's supply and demand.  If people are willing to pay $20 for a race change,  Blizzard (and other companys) will keep charging that price.  Very simple concept.

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8/11/12 8:37:38 AM#35

I sadly shook my head at this post... Talk about an entitled generation...

Words mean things people. The poster feel's that he/she is being robbed because his/her entertainment is not going the way he/she likes. Here is a loose term for the word Robbery

is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear. At common law, robbery is defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

Now , you make think that is price gouging or greedy, but then DONT PAY IT. If you complain about paying for something that in no way can you make the argument than you even need in life, for anything other than entertainment , then you sir/maam are exactly what the world does not need.

Sorry if thats to harsh. But if you were my kid and I read that post I would spank you.


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8/11/12 10:26:25 AM#36
There's another side to this players are fickle, FOTM anyone? and also love to abuse systems so if you offer class, name, server changes for free you you know as much as night is dark players will abuse it to kingdon come and that sucks up the resources of the company, so new content is made slower thus probably losing customers along the way. Now stick a monetary value on the service and Joe gamer thinks twice about it and probably, as many gamers are cheapskates, decides against it or maybe they go for it the money then earned goes to having someone actually do the job and not suck resources from other parts of the game and thus company makes a profir ensuring the games survives another year. BINGO!   

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8/11/12 10:28:58 AM#37
Originally posted by FelixMajor
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

I agree, HOWEVER I disagree as well.


For a game with a monthly sub, it should be free, for a free to play game, I can see it justified.

That sounds sensible. I agree.

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8/11/12 10:31:59 AM#38
Originally posted by jusomdude

Think about it. Paying a company $20+ dollars to run an automatic script to change one variable.

Complete robbery.

Illegal?  Seriously?  We need the government to write more laws to protect us from doing stupid things, like paying for a race change?

No thanks.  Fewer regulations = more freedom and liberty.  I don't need a politician telling me how to spend my money. 


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8/11/12 10:34:15 AM#39
Originally posted by Weretigar

The black panthers have been saying this for years.

+1 and if there was a "like" button id hit it! xD


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8/11/12 11:06:41 AM#40

[mod edit]

Let me explain something to you people, this is NOT capitalism. It is gouging and realistically by the principles of laws already in place IS illegal.

You see when you provide a service that by natural form has no competition - for example an exclusive service to a product you have sold it is illegal to sell that service for a price grossly out of proportion to its cost. It’s an unconscionable form of price gouging.

[mod edit]

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