Originally posted by Badaboom
Gw2 is worth the money that I paid for it.

He already said he was looking for a mature game, not a cartoony kiddie game for 10-year-olds.

Originally posted by Wizardry

 

Archeage is going to be the most complete game ever launched as a MMO,we will see everything we expect and more.Even still this takes a developer in the richest gaming area in the world [Korea]

I Lol'ed IRL.  No seriously I did. 

Korea, home of the cheapest made, hastily put together, grind centric, content lacking.

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by angzt

Originally posted by Tokken
when WOW 2 and Archeage comes out....

errm....

a) WoW2 is actually called titan. blizz won't make a 2nd part of World of Warcraft

b) archage... yea. don't get me started.... happy grinding :)

May I have a question related to point b)

Do you have any information that explicitly state that the game will be about grinding or is it prejudice that makes you say that?

I do not say you are wrong, I just wonder if you have any information I dont or if you just let prejudice warp your judgements.

for the b) question, name me a korean game where there is no grinding?

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by zakin
All the games out currently and those releasing soon are either f2p or look like cartoons for 10 year olds. When can we get a good game for adults that is not a wow theme park wanna be clone.

The Secret World is what you seek. Well worth the price

No, really it's not ...

Originally posted by witnezz

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by zakin
All the games out currently and those releasing soon are either f2p or look like cartoons for 10 year olds. When can we get a good game for adults that is not a wow theme park wanna be clone.

The Secret World is what you seek. Well worth the price

No, really it's not ...

Actually, it is.  TSW is one of the better, more mature themepark games released in a long time.

Other than that, I'd recommend games like EvE, Mortal Online, Perpetuum, etc. to the OP.

Originally posted by zakin
All the games out currently and those releasing soon are either f2p or look like cartoons for 10 year olds. When can we get a good game for adults that is not a wow theme park wanna be clone.

Strange, I have no problems to find an MMORPG worth paying for. And I don't play F2P-games or cartoonish games either. But then I've stopped playing the AAA themeparks and stick to the indies and sandboxes. There's a lot of choice out there once you look beyond the AAA publishers with their marketing departments.

Originally posted by Tonin109

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by angzt

Originally posted by Tokken
when WOW 2 and Archeage comes out....

errm....

a) WoW2 is actually called titan. blizz won't make a 2nd part of World of Warcraft

b) archage... yea. don't get me started.... happy grinding :)

May I have a question related to point b)

Do you have any information that explicitly state that the game will be about grinding or is it prejudice that makes you say that?

I do not say you are wrong, I just wonder if you have any information I dont or if you just let prejudice warp your judgements.

for the b) question, name me a korean game where there is no grinding?

Exactly this...is what I meant by prejudice. If this is his logic too, then it is a relief for me.

question: when will get a mmo worth paying for?

answer: when arche age comes out

everything else is just a box filled with glitter and rainbows

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by angzt

Originally posted by Tokken
when WOW 2 and Archeage comes out....

errm....

a) WoW2 is actually called titan. blizz won't make a 2nd part of World of Warcraft

b) archage... yea. don't get me started.... happy grinding :)

May I have a question related to point b)

Do you have any information that explicitly state that the game will be about grinding or is it prejudice that makes you say that?

I do not say you are wrong, I just wonder if you have any information I dont or if you just let prejudice warp your judgements.

He doesent. Hes baseing his opinion in that AA is being made in Korea hence is a Korean grinder. I hope for the most part that it is grindy.

Originally posted by Larsa

All the games out currently and those releasing soon are either f2p or look like cartoons for 10 year olds. When can we get a good game for adults that is not a wow theme park wanna be clone.

Strange, I have no problems to find an MMORPG worth paying for. And I don't play F2P-games or cartoonish games either. But then I've stopped playing the AAA themeparks and stick to the indies and sandboxes. There's a lot of choice out there once you look beyond the AAA publishers with their marketing departments.

Originally posted by Tonin109

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by angzt

Originally posted by Tokken
when WOW 2 and Archeage comes out....

errm....

a) WoW2 is actually called titan. blizz won't make a 2nd part of World of Warcraft

b) archage... yea. don't get me started.... happy grinding :)

May I have a question related to point b)

Do you have any information that explicitly state that the game will be about grinding or is it prejudice that makes you say that?

I do not say you are wrong, I just wonder if you have any information I dont or if you just let prejudice warp your judgements.

for the b) question, name me a korean game where there is no grinding?

name me a MMO where there is no grinding.

Originally posted by Larsa

Originally posted by zakin
All the games out currently and those releasing soon are either f2p or look like cartoons for 10 year olds. When can we get a good game for adults that is not a wow theme park wanna be clone.

Strange, I have no problems to find an MMORPG worth paying for. And I don't play F2P-games or cartoonish games either. But then I've stopped playing the AAA themeparks and stick to the indies and sandboxes. There's a lot of choice out there once you look beyond the AAA publishers with their marketing departments.

Originally posted by odinsrath

question: when will get a mmo worth paying for?

answer: when arche age comes out

everything else is just a box filled with glitter and rainbows

Please do not start to support AA by insulting other games...

I have nothing against you, but saying AA is great and that everything else sucks is not the way to go.

So far its forum has been quite a peaceful place. If the community / fans present themselves this way, it will soon become a fanboy / hater battlefield like some other games' forum

The question is very leading.  The assumption is that there aren't any games that are worth paying for.  WoW, has a lot of people paying for it.  SWTOR, despite its decline has people paying for it, EVE, TSW, to name a few.  To you, and others who aren't paying for a game, because of this thought, will naturally coagulate to a question like this, and give a somewhat false impression that this is a majority view for those reading it.

To get a slightly less biased idea, I would recommend a question such as 'Do you currently pay for an MMO?' While any question on a forum such as this isn't going to be representative of everry population, it will probably give you a better idea of MMORPG thoughts.

When gamers get a brain and stop buying these worthless games without first being offered a trial.

It should become a standert for mmos to offer free trials right of the start  nowadays a game is already successful before it even launches. 

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by odinsrath

question: when will get a mmo worth paying for?

answer: when arche age comes out

everything else is just a box filled with glitter and rainbows

Please do not start to support AA by insulting other games...

I have nothing against you, but saying AA is great and that everything else sucks is not the way to go.

So far its forum has been quite a peaceful place. If the community / fans present themselves this way, it will soon become a fanboy / hater battlefield like some other games' forum

Originally posted by Onigod

When gamers get a brain and stop buying these worthless games without first being offered a trial.

 

It should become a standert for mmos to offer free trials right of the start  nowadays a game is already successful before it even launches. 

Because games are selling beta invites.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Simple math,EQ2/Wow were 20-30 million dollar games to design,costs have sky rocketed since then.

Now i bet it would be tough to build a game for under 125 million that would meet my standards.

There are so many corners being cut by developers.

Many are using automated mapping like SpeedTree.Making of buildings are just static mesh with no insides.

Devs do not want to spend the time to develop rich classes,just throw a bunch of ideas out there and tell players to pick which ones they want to use.No housing,no mounts all to save cost of not only design but cost of running the game.Instances ,we still see a lot of that going around.

Archeage is going to be the most complete game ever launched as a MMO,we will see everything we expect and more.Even still this takes a developer in the richest gaming area in the world [Korea]to back it up.I still fully expect to see lots of corners being cut.Example the class design will be using tons of presets,i imagine will be more of the static buildings,with no movers/doors ect ect.Korean games are known for having a VERY lack UI,although i have heard rumblings the yare working on that already.

No matter a MEGA nation like Korea and tons of money and we will still see a lack of depth in several areas,i expect it.The defining moment for this game will be how the developer reacts when it turns a profit,does it invest back into the game to keep it alive and growing,instead of the usual game design we see in cheap xpacks,involving a few maps,not much more.

Where did you get those numbers?

Wow cost Blizzard $60M at launch, EQ2 12M$. And only a single MMO have cost $125M+ to make and that was TOR, EAs most expensive game ever (and we only know officially that it was more than 120M, not how much more).

Most MMOs today cost $60-80M which still is a huge sum.Pre-Wow most MMOs had a budget from $5-10M (SWG cost $8M and had 64 devs working on it as example of pre Wow game).

So the only MMO up to your standard is TOR? It is not really all about money, Eve and Guildwars were both made for close to nothing and have earned in more times it´s developing cost than any other game beside Wow.

As for AA, we will have to wait and see. It´s features seems impressive enough but many people here used to think that Darkfall would be the saviour of the genre but it didn't turn out that way after launch. Let the game prove itself like any other game.

The 2 top games in development on my list is instead CCPs WoDO and Undead labs Class 4. Not because of their budgets but because of the people working on them. Again and again are we proven that money is not as important as the people actually working on the MMO.

If you enjoy it its worth paying for.

A bad habit is going around saying a game "isnt worth it" when theres a difference between not having the money to buy every single game that comes out because thats what you want and not being able to afford half the games you want. =)

If i could afford every single game i'd likely buy em just to play them for a few hours.

All these games are "worth it."

I'm tired of the combat in mmo's like WoW, EQ2, LOTRO, SWTOR TSW, Guild Wars but theyre still really great games.

You know what? DCUO is the best action MMO out that ive played so far. I played the beta and pre-ordered it cuz i loved it. I liked DCUO enough to continue paying for three months past the first.  Being free to play now makes it the best F2P game out there that is worth putting cash into. =) That of course is just my opinion. Theres an insane amount of awesome fun content in the game and its very fast paced quick instances perfect for casual playing. The raids take the longest time but after youve had practice they take 2 hours after being 4-6.

Tera is beautiful but apparently lacks the content and i still havent brought myself to start my first free month yet. lol I enjoyed the beta very much i just wasnt ready to pay a sub for it. I read that its going F2P so i just decided to wait until then to play again.

I was gonna say more but i think i rambled enough. =)

Originally posted by mgilbrtsn

The question is very leading.  The assumption is that there aren't any games that are worth paying for.  WoW, has a lot of people paying for it.  SWTOR, despite its decline has people paying for it, EVE, TSW, to name a few.  To you, and others who aren't paying for a game, because of this thought, will naturally coagulate to a question like this, and give a somewhat false impression that this is a majority view for those reading it.

To get a slightly less biased idea, I would recommend a question such as 'Do you currently pay for an MMO?' While any question on a forum such as this isn't going to be representative of everry population, it will probably give you a better idea of MMORPG thoughts.