Enjoyed the game for the potentcial fun that could be had. Im not saying i had fun... but i could see myself having fun in this game if i subscribed but it had too many problems for me to actually spend money. I dont want to subscribe to ANY game this late in its development........what i want is a Quality F2P that i can occasionaly spend a dollar or 5 once in a while for a cosmetic item.

Thats not what you get here.....too many restrictions for me to call this F2P.

1. Cant use top tier gear that you find as f2p... seriously what up with dat? gold drops are for subscription users only, fook dat! I  find an item off random mob, say to myself oooh thats nice. try to equip it and game says i got to pay to equip an item i already felt i worked for.....

2 Severe bank restrictions,,, your personal inventory is reduced.... i say to myself ok no big deal... i expected that..... Then i find a bank.....YOU CANT EVEN USE HALF THE AVALIABLE SLOTS WTF! you only get 25 slots for free? seriously thats basicly unplayable. So you really believe im only going to find 25 usefull items in game that im going to want to keep around? thats insaine.

3. More then hafl the races and jobs are locked until you pay.....some of this i expected but lock ranger? REALLY?   ya ok, whatever FU.

4. Finally the straw that broke the camels back is..... cant own a home without  subscription, or real pay. im kinda dissapointed by this one.....some might not care but i did.

5. Restriction on how much gold you can have......SERIOUSLY?

Lets be clear.... no one thing on my list is keeping me from playing its the accumalation. Aion might not be a good game but at least its 100% free.... all purchaseable items are cosmetic...... which is why i keep playing.... and occasionaly spend money.

So thats the bad how about the good.

Grapics on this game are amasing,,,,,, the clipping range and view distance is awesome i feel like i can see miles away. And there is something about the textures i like.

Big game= explorers paradise...... maps are huge.... maybe biggest ive ever seen and there are 3 of em. like someone said in chat.... "You will probably play this game to 55 twice and never see all this game has to offer."

Many things to do in game makes for sandboxy feel. You can level via Crafting (which i hear is extremely deep and engaging), or level via Adventuring (bashing brains in with my axe), or via Diplomacy. (watched a tutorial seemed interesting).

So thats it.... i actually like the game...but id have to buy a subscription to enjoy it fully. and im just not in a place in my life where i want to subscribe to any game really. (just lost a job heh). But in all seriousness if it was just one thing i didnt like....id just spend the cash to unlock it and continue to enjoy the game....but its too much.....too much restriction.....

Its like i dont feel SOE wanted me to stay and at least POPULATE the game.....it feels like a big FU. Try out the game for yourself.... let me know do you feel the same way? I hope somebody from SOE is reading this someday. And if they are....I just want them to know i will be spending more in the in-game item shop in guild wars2 and aion then i will in your silly little game because those company's know how to show me they REALLY want my business......

Hahaha either one of those points would be enough for me to not play.

And since I'm done with subscriptions..

I could stand all those points and play the game except the can't use your own gear part.

Wtf, this brings pay2win to a whole new level. (sub2win?)

yeah is tons of people flaming the vanguard soe forums about it all now but then there are also people kissing soes butts about it to . I pay for a station pass myself but the gear restrictions in vanguard considering it was a few hundred people away from dead and cancelled are atrocious. SOE have the most restrictive matrix out of every free to play game company and have since eq2. There was wars on this very forum two years ago about lotr online f2p vs eq2 ftp and lotr online won whole heartedly.

I highly doubt SOE will change this though it works in eq2 apparently still to this day and people spend the money.

Originally posted by cronius77

yeah is tons of people flaming the vanguard soe forums about it all now but then there are also people kissing soes butts about it to . I pay for a station pass myself but the gear restrictions in vanguard considering it was a few hundred people away from dead and cancelled are atrocious. SOE have the most restrictive matrix out of every free to play game company and have since eq2. There was wars on this very forum two years ago about lotr online f2p vs eq2 ftp and lotr online won whole heartedly.

I highly doubt SOE will change this though it works in eq2 apparently still to this day and people spend the money.

True but overall Eq2 had a much larger fanbase than VG when it was converted to F2P.

Same here

I don't really care about space,money, chunk or class/race restrictions. I understand a F2P scheme is suppose to bring money in, but the item restriction just means I can't play any of my toons unless I either downgrade their gear or pay a full subscription price of 15 bucks. That would have been OK if the game was worth 15 a month alongside other triple A titles.

SOE has a bloated perception of Vanguard's F2P appeal.  They also have a full-on nuissance-based matrix, ensuring free players grow annoyed before enjoying themselves enough to spend cash on an a dated game with unreliable servers and poor dev support.

/uninstalling

bag/bank restrictions kill the experience for crafters

i do realize that they want your money but this game is not worth a sub - at least not a full $15 (i have played several different times)

when it is truly ftp with cash shop (i've spent plenty of cash in DDOs shop) i'll definitely be back - seems unlikely unless this current business model completely fails

I need to agree the current F2P system is a disaster.  For a game that prides itself on having so many options for players in regards to classes / races I find it odd they'd choose to restrict players finding a role they enjoy that may make said player(s) stick around.  I to wanted to be a "Ranger"... but nope.  Sad part is that now the games classes will be so fucked up in terms of numbers.  All the F2P people only playing a few classes... such a dumb system.

Might be entertaining until GW2 releases.  

The reason i left this game 3 months after release is still there,

Extremely bad cluncky character annimations.

Took me 3 hours to get all irritated and itchy again, i just cant stand those annimations that made an over average game unplayable for me.

The problem with SOE is they dont understand the mental state of what the F2P players are comming in as. Lets say i just hear about this game for the first time going F2P today (which i did only a week ago).

And since im a person that trys EVERY F2P i can get my hands on........i download.

And the first thing i notice is i cant have every job and level it to max lvl and i say to myself (well thats annoying and frustrating). What i dont say to myself is (Awwww i want that job so bad im just going to spend money on it RIGHT HERE AND NOW!).

Too many annoying and frustrating things = no sale uninstall. But SOE dont see it that way. They think there crap is gold and smells like flowers. And ppl are just going to rush to charge there credit cards to spend on a game they hardly know or gotten used to.

SEE.........All the above post are all the people really trying to play for free.  I told you this stuff attracts them.  Now if you decide to spend money in the cash shop or pay the sub, and really try and make something good with you character......HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO PLAY AN MMO WITH ALL THE OTHER GIMPED PLAYERS ?

Add to the fact that over half will leave for GW2 in two weeks.....This is one of many reasons SOE should not own a good mmo like Vanguard.

Someone please explain this ?

Looking into my crystal ball...

SoE will compromise on the F2P item restrictions...several months after F2P launch, when most people have tried it and uninstalled in frustration.

Originally posted by ellobo29

Enjoyed the game for the potentcial fun that could be had. Im not saying i had fun... but i could see myself having fun in this game if i subscribed but it had too many problems for me to actually spend money. I dont want to subscribe to ANY game this late in its development........what i want is a Quality F2P that i can occasionaly spend a dollar or 5 once in a while for a cosmetic item.

Thats not what you get here.....too many restrictions for me to call this F2P.

1. Cant use top tier gear that you find as f2p... seriously what up with dat? gold drops are for subscription users only, fook dat! I  find an item off random mob, say to myself oooh thats nice. try to equip it and game says i got to pay to equip an item i already felt i worked for.....

2 Severe bank restrictions,,, your personal inventory is reduced.... i say to myself ok no big deal... i expected that..... Then i find a bank.....YOU CANT EVEN USE HALF THE AVALIABLE SLOTS WTF! you only get 25 slots for free? seriously thats basicly unplayable. So you really believe im only going to find 25 usefull items in game that im going to want to keep around? thats insaine.

3. More then hafl the races and jobs are locked until you pay.....some of this i expected but lock ranger? REALLY?   ya ok, whatever FU.

4. Finally the straw that broke the camels back is..... cant own a home without  subscription, or real pay. im kinda dissapointed by this one.....some might not care but i did.

5. Restriction on how much gold you can have......SERIOUSLY?

 

Let's compare this model with Lotro F2P

Quests:

Lotro = quests available only up to level 20, all quests above that (90% of content) has to be bought via quest packs.

Vangaurd = all quests are free

Dungeons:

Lotro = about 80% of all dungeons and raids are locked, including skirmishes, basically all dungeons above level 20 are locked except of dungeons that scale with your level

Vanguard = all dungeons (except end-game raid) are free

Auction House

Lotro = 5 items on AH max

Vanguard = no limit on items, but higher fees

Gold:

Lotro = Max 3 gold

Vanguard = Max 3 platinum (Equivalent to about 100 gold in Lotro, you will hardly get a platinum piece by level 40)

Mounts:

Lotro = Can't use permanent mounts

Vanguard = All mounts free

Items:

Lotro = no restrictions, but shop items and buffs (like permanent tomes) makes a huge difference (+50 from all tomes to all stats) vs 0, or upgrades to legendary items via shop, etc

Vanguard = All gear available up to raid and legendary items

Inventory and banks:

Lotro = max 3 bags instead of 5. Banks slots are limited.

Vanguard = no limit on bags, bank slots are limited

Crafting:

Lotro = no crafting guilds, which play an important role in crafting 

Vanguard = no limit -- except of housing, if that counts as crafting

Classes and races:

Lotro = 4 races , 7 classes free (4 races in 9 classes in total)

Vanguard = 8 races, 7 classes free (instead of 19 races and 15 classes)

Character slots:

Lotro = 2

Vanguard = 4

I can see where the item restriction can be annoying for people, but maybe a decent solution is that there is no gear restriction until level "x" and then you have either unlock or you can use crafted gear at any level which would help keep the crafting community alive.

IMO I think the AOC F2P is much more restrictive than VG.