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  Aelious

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8/08/12 10:22:38 PM#21
Nanfoodle hit it on the head.

From my playtime, admittedly short BWEs, and what we know about GW2 past that this game would actually be worth a sub. It's not of course and nothing in the CS is required to play.

I will be buying my fair share of CS items however because I think ANets vision of adding and changing DEs as time goes on, outside of full expansions, are key to its longevity. It takes money to make that happen.
  sammandar

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8/08/12 10:25:29 PM#22
Originally posted by Scellow

BTW... I don't recall the last time an Anet dev ever said that GW2 would be free. B2P is not really free anyway; hell, not even some of the F2P are free these days (freemium). Right from the start Anet announced that just like GW1, GW2 would have a B2P payment model. The cash shop has nothing that seriously provides anyone with any real advantage in gameplay (P2W) and the expansions are added content not part of the original purchase. The game, when you buy it, is complete in it of itself, you are free to buy or not buy any of the expansions, without your current gameplay exprience being atlered or affected; grant it, you can't expect to play the new content you are unwilling to purchase (no surprise there).

Scellow, I believe you are grasping at straws here.

  u18bu2sa0k

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8/08/12 10:29:38 PM#23
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  DollMighty8313

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8/08/12 10:32:06 PM#24
No No No....I Disagree :p
  Ramadar

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8/08/12 10:47:07 PM#25
Hooooolllllyyyyyyyy Ssssshhhhhiiiiiittttttt I can't believe people are still arguing over this ANet's B2P model is so damn easy to understand a Caveman can get it.

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  ariboersma

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8/08/12 11:15:52 PM#26
Originally posted by Scellow

Hi all,

 

GW 2 has a special buisness model Buy(once)2Play

 

But it's not really that

 

Like GW 1 an Add-on will come every 6month so 60$ /6 = 10$ a month

 

Add-on in guild war universe are importance if you haven't you will be forgoten by all new content ..

 

 

Just my opinion

 

 

And sorry for my bad english i'm french :)

/facepalm FYI only 1 campaign came 6 months after another and that was involving Factions which was tiny for PVE and mostly brought PVP aspects to the game, it even had a PVP only purchase available for Factions. What on earth does the bit in red mean? Also its still buy to play, you buy it and you play it.. no monthly fee and no pay to win items in the cash shop.

  Creslin321

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8/08/12 11:26:02 PM#27

Even if GW2 came out with a $60 expansion every 6 months, that does not make it remotely similar to a sub game that charges $10 a month.  There are a bunch of flaws with this argument:

1.  I'm not forced to buy the expansion, and I can play the original game as much as I want without paying anything extra.  But in a sub game, you are forced into paying a sub.  In a sub game, if I buy the game and then play for 3 months, I will be paying for the full game price and 2 months sub, so $80 with our example.  If I do this in a B2P game, I will simply pay the inital price and that's it.  If I want to get an expansion later, I have that option.

2.  Every single sub-game that I know of charges a box price for expansions anyway, so the argument is kind of moot.  So really, if you consider sub and B2P to be separate pricing models...then just about every sub game is also B2P.  You must buy the game/expansions to play AND pay a sub.  Also, many sub games have a CS too, so they are really triple dipping.

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  laokoko

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8/09/12 12:01:37 AM#28
Originally posted by dellirious13
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by laokoko

That's quite lame.  You DON'T need to pay extra for bank slots, bag slots, character slots.

It's beginning to look like all those lame f2p games out there.

Diablo 3 looks like a pay 2 win games with real money auction house.

Where goes the buy 2 play model with no string attach.

Fixed.

Precisely. I will have all extra slots by the end of month 1, and will buy 0 gems. :) (even non-hardcore gamers could do this within 2-3 months, which is shorter than it would take one to earn enough gold in WoW at launch to buy all bank slots).

Also, addressing the OP, even IF Anet would do an expansion every 6 months (which, as others said, won't happen, once a year maybe), that would STILL be less than a P2P game, because the P2P game would do the $60 for expansion as well as the normal sub fee.

(Using GW1 compared to WoW as an example--GW1, even if they had released a new expansion every 6 months for 7 years, would cost a total of $700, with main game and 13 expansions! WoW during the same time, with only 4 expantions (im including MoP), would cost $260 for main game and expansions and then $1260 in sub fees, 1520, over twice as much as GW1! for almost 1/3rd of the content (and both games have events, etc etc)). :P

 

 

EDIT: Basically, even if GW2 releases, i would STILL choose its B2P model over a P2P model, because i would still be getting more content for my money.

I dont' need to buy character slots, bank slots, bag slots in other lame f2p games too.  I thought the point of b2p is we don't need to do things like that.  ok have a nice day.

  sinloi

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8/09/12 12:08:34 AM#29
always hated it when people complain about games like this having microtransactions and expansions when p2p games like wow do the same thing. i was flat out told that the spectral mounts and mini pets for sale on wow do not count as micro transactions yet some how a new no stat outfit is pay to win in another game
  Br3akingDawn

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8/09/12 12:11:00 AM#30
even if GW2 isnt completely B2P. i dont care. still gonna play it. still going to buy their expansions. h8ters will be h8ters!

  sammandar

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8/09/12 12:16:31 AM#31
Originally posted by Creslin321

Even if GW2 came out with a $60 expansion every 6 months, that does not make it remotely similar to a sub game that charges $10 a month.  There are a bunch of flaws with this argument:

1.  I'm not forced to buy the expansion, and I can play the original game as much as I want without paying anything extra.  But in a sub game, you are forced into paying a sub.  In a sub game, if I buy the game and then play for 3 months, I will be paying for the full game price and 2 months sub, so $80 with our example.  If I do this in a B2P game, I will simply pay the inital price and that's it.  If I want to get an expansion later, I have that option.

2.  Every single sub-game that I know of charges a box price for expansions anyway, so the argument is kind of moot.  So really, if you consider sub and B2P to be separate pricing models...then just about every sub game is also B2P.  You must buy the game/expansions to play AND pay a sub.  Also, many sub games have a CS too, so they are really triple dipping.

I completely agree; people too often ignore the "tripole dipping" going on with P2P games (such as WOW) while storming after B2P games (such as GW2) for having a CS and even expansions. They try and try to redo the math so P2P doesn't sound as horrible as it usually ends up being (for your wallet).

Considering quality, gameplay, graphics, complexity, cost and "good old fun", bang for your buck, I would argue no one gives you a better deal than GW2.

  GamerUntouch

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8/09/12 12:18:00 AM#32

It should be obvious why OP is wrong, but I'll explain.

 

With a sub fee, you're probably getting very little content for 15 dollars a month.

Maybe a raid if you're lucky, RIFT was known for putting out content really quickly and they had barely that.

In 4 months you aren't getting 60 dollars worth of updates.

 

Now, if GW2's expansions are 60 dollars (can't see it being that much, that's the cost of a standalone game), they'd need to be 60 dollars worth of content, it isn't monthly small updates, it's an entire expansion. Factions and Nightfall were standalone games remember.

  AzurePrower

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Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

8/09/12 12:20:51 AM#33

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

  GamerUntouch

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8/09/12 12:21:43 AM#34
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

You CAN buy gems with gold, someone would need to buy the gems first though.

  sammandar

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8/09/12 12:24:09 AM#35
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

You CAN buy gems with gold, someone would need to buy the gems first though.

I would wait a couple weeks after release to start looking at buying gems with gold. Most likely gems will be outrageously overpriced in first coupe of weeks after release.

  GamerUntouch

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8/09/12 12:25:23 AM#36
Originally posted by sammandar
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

You CAN buy gems with gold, someone would need to buy the gems first though.

I would wait a couple weeks after release to start looking at buying gems with gold. Most likely gems will be outrageously overpriced in first coupe of weeks after release.

Actually they'd probably be the cheapest since it'd be the initial rush of people buying them.

  sammandar

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8/09/12 12:35:53 AM#37
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by sammandar
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

You CAN buy gems with gold, someone would need to buy the gems first though.

I would wait a couple weeks after release to start looking at buying gems with gold. Most likely gems will be outrageously overpriced in first coupe of weeks after release.

Actually they'd probably be the cheapest since it'd be the initial rush of people buying them.

If I have gems to sell and people are jumping over each other for a shot at buying one of my gems, how much do you think i'm going to overprice what is a hot and incredibly desirable commodity... I'm going to make them pay dearly!

Supply and Demand. Considering the fact that gems are purchased with real money, people selling gems are going to want to maximize the value of their investment; in other words, overpricing.

I would wait. Wait till the market balances itself, the demand decreases a bit and the prices of gems drops.

Edit: reminds me of Facebok's initially overpriced stock value; just be patient, play the game and wait for the value of gems to go down, then I would start buying.

  warmaster670

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8/09/12 12:40:57 AM#38

How does content down the road make it not buy to play? i buy the game, i play it, it dosnt matter if $5000 worth of expansions are released, theres nothing to stop me form logging in with my base game, and playing it, for free.

 

Box sale+expansions, or box sale +monthly fee+expansio0ns, ya i wonder which one is better....

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  Honner

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8/09/12 12:43:22 AM#39
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by sammandar
Originally posted by GamerUntouch
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Is there another way to get the extra bank slots, etc. other than through the cash shop?

You CAN buy gems with gold, someone would need to buy the gems first though.

I would wait a couple weeks after release to start looking at buying gems with gold. Most likely gems will be outrageously overpriced in first coupe of weeks after release.

Actually they'd probably be the cheapest since it'd be the initial rush of people buying them.

I think first will be much more demand of gold, because gems can be buy instantly but the gold need to be farm and that need a while.

  eyelolled

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8/09/12 12:54:40 AM#40
The greatest thing about being unclear on a concept, is it doesn't stop you from making threads about it while you pretend you have a point.

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