Originally posted by gessekai332

... TRUST.

It's something that is often overlooked but it is probably the most fundamental aspect that all players subconciously desire. Why do players always ask about longeivity of a game? why do they always speculate about success? or sub numbers? Why are many players wary of f2p or port games? It is because they want to know if they can trust an mmorpg company with their INVESTMENT.

 

when gamers dive into an mmorpg, it is like they are starting an account at a bank. They tell the bank "Hey, i will start this account with you and from now on this is where i will be storing all (virtual) money i make, my achievements, and my time investment for the next few months/years or whatever." What we as the players expect the bank to reply is that "OK, sure. I promise to keep your investment safe, to make sure we use this money to better our services (expansions, patches, balances and not to just pocket everything), to keep it secure (hacks, password stealing, bots, etc), listen to and value your feedback, and to above all, NOT TO JUMP SHIP AND MAKE A RUN FOR IT JUST BECAUSE SUBSCRIBER BASE DIPS by 10%.

 

Instead, nowadays with all the wow clones and console-style themepark games, the traditional expectations of trust has been raped and violated. Companies nowadays lie to us about future updates and patches, never listen to our complaints and concerns, and jump ship as soon as soon as the going gets rough. They tell us that they plan to make a happy home for us for the next few years while in the back of their minds they are already planning for an escape route after their user base discovers that the game is shallow and leaves after the first month. Whats worst is that most big game companies accept this as the current business model: Make your money with the first month, "founders" packs, and the first month subs, and then GTFO as fast as they can.

 

Hopefully arenanet will restore this trust in us gamers. If they can maintain this trust, then they will truly succeed and maybe even topple the aging behemoth that is WoW..

 

 

 

Sry, but thats naive, maybe you didnt notice it yet, but all the gw2 money come from NCSOFT, and they are even worse than EA, if a game dont work they just shut it down, it wont happen with GW2 i know, but you need to undestand that NCSOFT want money and if after the 1st Month they dont get what they want, they will sell us more thing in the CS, did you remeber skills packs from gw1? . Like it or not, NCSOFT will have the last word on everything about GW2, so be ready to wait 6 months or a year for the 1st content update in gw2. 

Originally posted by Kyleran

In God I trust, all others pay cash. 

I just play games, for as long as they are fun for me and are worth the money.

Not really having any great trust issues with the companies I have dealt with, they're in it to make money, and separate me from as much of mine as possible. 

 

 

This!  I think the OP is assigning way too much thought into it for most players.  Most people just want to play a fun game.  If the game is fun and well made they'll play,  If it's bug ridden and boring they won't.  I played SWTOR and Diablo 3.  I was disappointed by SWTOR, but I didn't feel my trust was violated.  If Bioware ends up making another game and it's fun I"ll play it.

The same applies to D3.  I played it and actually enjoyed it for what it was.  Once I had enough I stopped playing.  I'll play another Blizzard game as along as it's fun.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

pretty much everything thats in world of warcraft.i guess some people never looked at the suggestion part of the star wars the old republic official forums.about 90 percent of the suggestions were things you could find in wow

not to mention the wow community arent exactly the most mature bunch of people,so that probably was another reason the game tanked cuz all the mature players left because they got tired of the immature kids that came from wow

 

IF anything, the thing they listened to and shouldn't have, was the idea an MMORPG is all about the journey, endgame doesn't matter. The journey was fine, the destination not so much.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

pretty much everything thats in world of warcraft.i guess some people never looked at the suggestion part of the star wars the old republic official forums.about 90 percent of the suggestions were things you could find in wow

not to mention the wow community arent exactly the most mature bunch of people,so that probably was another reason the game tanked cuz all the mature players left because they got tired of the immature kids that came from wow

 

IF anything, the thing they listened to and shouldn't have, was the idea an MMORPG is all about the journey, endgame doesn't matter. The journey was fine, the destination not so much.

IMO, the endgame is still part of the journey... Until you defeated the Uber boss of the patch/xpac you haven't reached the final destination.

Originally posted by Badaboom
Blizzard is a bad example in terms of trust.  Blizz lost a lot of customers because of how crappy D3 was/is.  Trust has been broken.  No more free passes for blizz.  I won't buy another game from them unless it has a trial.

You, and those like you, are the vocal minority.  You may see the hundreds, or even thousands, of message posts, twitter rants or blog posts about disgruntled fans and feel that Blizzard has betrayed everyone and Blizzard will fall because of it, but you're wrong.  For every one of you ranting about how bad D3 was there are hundreds who played it, enjoyed it and left it at that.  For them it was a game, they played and when they were done they moved on.  They didn't assign some deep seeded hatred to Blizzard. 

Heck, D3 has sold what, 10 million copies?!?!  I'm pretty sure Blizzrd has plenty of people ready to line up for their next offering.

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

pretty much everything thats in world of warcraft.i guess some people never looked at the suggestion part of the star wars the old republic official forums.about 90 percent of the suggestions were things you could find in wow

not to mention the wow community arent exactly the most mature bunch of people,so that probably was another reason the game tanked cuz all the mature players left because they got tired of the immature kids that came from wow

 

IF anything, the thing they listened to and shouldn't have, was the idea an MMORPG is all about the journey, endgame doesn't matter. The journey was fine, the destination not so much.

IMO, the endgame is still part of the journey... Until you defeated the Uber boss of the patch/xpac you haven't reached the final destination.

No offense but to me that sounds like a single player game, I don't play an MMO to beat a boss.. :)

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

Originally posted by gessekai332

Instead, nowadays with all the wow clones and console-style themepark games, the traditional expectations of trust has been raped and violated.

As for you thinking GW2 will topple WoW.  Lmfao.

Buddy......he never literally said GW2 will topple WoW, he said maybe. If you understand the word "maybe" you'll realize you misunderstood. lmao.....

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

GW2 is the most console-style MMO ever made....

that would be DCUO  - for PC and PS3

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

pretty much everything thats in world of warcraft.i guess some people never looked at the suggestion part of the star wars the old republic official forums.about 90 percent of the suggestions were things you could find in wow

not to mention the wow community arent exactly the most mature bunch of people,so that probably was another reason the game tanked cuz all the mature players left because they got tired of the immature kids that came from wow

 

IF anything, the thing they listened to and shouldn't have, was the idea an MMORPG is all about the journey, endgame doesn't matter. The journey was fine, the destination not so much.

IMO, the endgame is still part of the journey... Until you defeated the Uber boss of the patch/xpac you haven't reached the final destination.

No offense but to me that sounds like a single player game, I don't play an MMO to beat a boss.. :)

So do you play to beat on weakling mobs who pose no threat?

Originally posted by Grimlock426

Originally posted by Badaboom
Blizzard is a bad example in terms of trust.  Blizz lost a lot of customers because of how crappy D3 was/is.  Trust has been broken.  No more free passes for blizz.  I won't buy another game from them unless it has a trial.

You, and those like you, are the vocal minority.  You may see the hundreds, or even thousands, of message posts, twitter rants or blog posts about disgruntled fans and feel that Blizzard has betrayed everyone and Blizzard will fall because of it, but you're wrong.  For every one of you ranting about how bad D3 was there are hundreds who played it, enjoyed it and left it at that.  For them it was a game, they played and when they were done they moved on.  They didn't assign some deep seeded hatred to Blizzard. 

Heck, D3 has sold what, 10 million copies?!?!  I'm pretty sure Blizzrd has plenty of people ready to line up for their next offering.

Like I said, D3 pissed off a lot of people.  D3 has sold 10 million, you are correct, but if they ever release a D4 (i'm guessing no) then I guarantee Blizz doesn't get 50% this number.  Feel free to bookmark this post. 

The thing is though, I feel that D3 was just a benchmark for a RMAH for Titan, and am guessing that Titan will contain the same fail.

Originally posted by gessekai332

... TRUST.

It's something that is often overlooked but it is probably the most fundamental aspect that all players subconciously desire. Why do players always ask about longeivity of a game? why do they always speculate about success? or sub numbers? Why are many players wary of f2p or port games? It is because they want to know if they can trust an mmorpg company with their INVESTMENT.

 

when gamers dive into an mmorpg, it is like they are starting an account at a bank. They tell the bank "Hey, i will start this account with you and from now on this is where i will be storing all (virtual) money i make, my achievements, and my time investment for the next few months/years or whatever." What we as the players expect the bank to reply is that "OK, sure. I promise to keep your investment safe, to make sure we use this money to better our services (expansions, patches, balances and not to just pocket everything), to keep it secure (hacks, password stealing, bots, etc), listen to and value your feedback, and to above all, NOT TO JUMP SHIP AND MAKE A RUN FOR IT JUST BECAUSE SUBSCRIBER BASE DIPS by 10%.

 

Instead, nowadays with all the wow clones and console-style themepark games, the traditional expectations of trust has been raped and violated. Companies nowadays lie to us about future updates and patches, never listen to our complaints and concerns, and jump ship as soon as soon as the going gets rough. They tell us that they plan to make a happy home for us for the next few years while in the back of their minds they are already planning for an escape route after their user base discovers that the game is shallow and leaves after the first month. Whats worst is that most big game companies accept this as the current business model: Make your money with the first month, "founders" packs, and the first month subs, and then GTFO as fast as they can.

 

Hopefully arenanet will restore this trust in us gamers. If they can maintain this trust, then they will truly succeed and maybe even topple the aging behemoth that is WoW..

 

 

 

I would change the sentence "What players want..." to "What I want..." or at least "What some players want if you know at least one more person that shares your thoughts". Generalization in this case does not apply, in my opinion. In fact, I am a player and your theory does not apply to me, so that it ultimately is a fallacy the way it is composed.

"With all the wow clones and console-style themepark games...". I have not seen more console-style themepark game than GW 2 in a very long time.

"And maybe even topple" the eight year old game. Not very ambitious, yet still unrealistic, in my opinion.

You take gaming much more seriously than I do. Considering spending 50 bucks and some time playing a PC game an investment...

Originally posted by jusomdude

 

So do you play to beat on weakling mobs who pose no threat?

Hmm, not sure how you came to that conclusion, considering the single-player comment I'd have assumed the player didn't play to beat on any type of mob at all.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Weakling mobs? I think the biggest boss in wow can fit in the mouth of the biggest boss in gw2 and can take on a hundred players :)

This guy seems to be too good for boss fighting.

Originally posted by enoch420
Good post. This makes me wonder if ANet should eventually produce authenticators like the ones Blizz made for customers that wanted them for some added protection.

seems likely

http://www.guildmag.com/gamescom-interview-series

After having discovered the NCsoft and ArenaNet logos at the Vasco booth (a company offering secure login services) I grabbed my chance to get some confirmation. Randy confirmed that they have ‘lined up’ with Vasco to explore the various security options they have to offer. If and what kind of security measures they will eventually implement though are not yet determined.

Originally posted by Mephster
Trust in a company that made a theme park weekend getaway ?  No thanks.  Go take a look at mmos like UO, DAOC and FFXI. MMOs like these made players love mmos.

No no no... this is what made YOU love MMOs. Please try to avoid such broad generalizations such as "players" and claim it represents a majority. *sigh*

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Weakling mobs? I think the biggest boss in wow can fit in the mouth of the biggest boss in gw2 and can take on a hundred players :)

This guy seems to be too good for boss fighting.

That doesn't make sense. He is specifically talking about fighting a boss.

Hot pockets? SAAAWEEET

Oh, this is about game features