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  Lord.Bachus

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8/03/12 1:31:05 AM#1

In the graphics settings there was a setting that allowed to choose for supersample(default/subsample). Even on highest (slider full to the right) settingings it was set to default.  

When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.

 

Didn´t notice this settings in the earlier BWE builds.

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  TomTrixx

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8/03/12 1:33:54 AM#2
New setting I guess. Made textures and image a lot sharper set to Supersampling, than the default. Didn't loose any noticeable framerate either, but I have a GTX 670 2G , might take a bigger hit on lesser cards with less video memory.
  Kyuz0o

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8/03/12 1:46:16 AM#3

When I cranked the Supersampling to High, it really messed with the colours for me. The grass looked grey all of a sudden... For me it looks a lot better with supersampling off.

  Scalpless

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8/03/12 1:57:36 AM#4

It requires a lot of video card memory. Every image is buffered at a much higher resolution than it's rendered at, so with a weaker video card (like my HD 6870), using SS will kill your FPS. Besides, there's no big difference between 16X AF + some AA and supersampling. Of course, if your system is good enough, SS will make the image clearer.

Originally posted by Kyuz0o

When I cranked the Supersampling to High, it really messed with the colours for me. The grass looked grey all of a sudden... For me it looks a lot better with supersampling off.

Are you sure you're not talking about post-processing?

  Lord.Bachus

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8/03/12 2:05:27 AM#5
Originally posted by TomTrixx
New setting I guess. Made textures and image a lot sharper set to Supersampling, than the default. Didn't loose any noticeable framerate either, but I have a GTX 670 2G , might take a bigger hit on lesser cards with less video memory.

Got a 7970M and it really made the difference.  made the world look so much better. 

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  Kyuz0o

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8/03/12 2:45:56 AM#6

I happen to have the Radeon 6970, still it messes up the colors for whatever reason. The grass goes from a lush green to green/grey. The FPS is not the problem, and yes the images look sharper, but the colours *cry*

  SuperXero89

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8/03/12 2:50:19 AM#7
I noticed this option as well.  Upon maxing it out, I noticed no immediate impact on performance, but it did sharpen the image somewhat.  I still find GW2 to be a bit on the fuzzy side.  I find the draw distance to be odd as well. I have it set to max where areas like Queensdale look great, but there's no way an area such as Lion's Arch is meant to look so barren  where nearly anything out in front of you is encased in a strange white fog.
  cronius77

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8/03/12 2:51:59 AM#8
i have 2 6970s and i noticed no performance hit at all with super sampling. Also no color changes but i did have an issue with gamma setting all the way down when logging back in a couple of times. It may just be a graphics driver issue with your card ATI is pretty insane how crappy their driver packages are. I remember being forced to upgrade past the 12.1 to the 12.4 for swtor to run better on and i took a huge performance hit because it takes ati months to finally fix their patches. Now im running at 12.6 the last update 6.28.12 and performance is back to good. ATI just sucks at making drivers nowadays.
  Naqaj

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8/03/12 4:22:21 AM#9
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.

This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.

  User Deleted
8/03/12 4:27:25 AM#10

Subsample actually lowers the picture quality. It renders the image smaller and stretches it to the screen size.

To the opposite, supersampling renders the image in higher resolution and then reduces it to the screen size. It's one of the oldest ways of doing full screen antialiasing, too. Quality is definitely higher, but the performance cost is usually quite big too.

  Alot

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8/08/12 9:21:15 AM#11


Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.
This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.

What card were you using Naqaj?

  Naqaj

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8/08/12 9:25:01 AM#12
Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.
This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.

What card were you using Naqaj?

One with very little headroom :)  Nvidia 8800GT 1GB

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  Alot

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8/08/12 9:27:48 AM#13


Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.
This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.
What card were you using Naqaj?
One with very little headroom :)  8800GT 1GB

Don't laugh! 


Was the game still playable with Supersampling enabled? Because I really hope that a i5-2500k + GTX 560ti are capable of running the game at max settings WITH Supersampling.

  BrokenSpoon

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8/08/12 9:29:43 AM#14
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  Alders

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8/08/12 9:30:52 AM#15
Originally posted by Alot

 


Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.
This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.
What card were you using Naqaj?
One with very little headroom :)  8800GT 1GB

 

Don't laugh! 


 

Was the game still playable with Supersampling enabled? Because I really hope that a i5-2500k + GTX 560ti are capable of running the game at max settings WITH Supersampling.

 

Capable yes, but with that exact setup i lost about 30fps.

  vmoped

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8/08/12 9:33:20 AM#16
Originally posted by Alders
Originally posted by Alot

 


Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus When choosing it, it improved graphics a lot while loosing about 5-10 % of your fps.
This depends a lot on how much reserves your graphics card still has. I used an older card during the stress test, and supersampling cut my FPS by at least 40%. So be sure to know what you're doing, and be clever about what else you put on high settings.
What card were you using Naqaj?
One with very little headroom :)  8800GT 1GB

 

Don't laugh! 


 

Was the game still playable with Supersampling enabled? Because I really hope that a i5-2500k + GTX 560ti are capable of running the game at max settings WITH Supersampling.

 

Capable yes, but with that exact setup i lost about 30fps.

Ouch same setup as me.  Hopefully the client gets further optimized!

 

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  Naqaj

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8/08/12 9:34:26 AM#17
Originally posted by Alot

Was the game still playable with Supersampling enabled? Because I really hope that a i5-2500k + GTX 560ti are capable of running the game at max settings WITH Supersampling.

Just barely. I had it locked at a stable 30FPS, but when switching to supersampling it dropped to 15-20. Depends a lot on what resolution you're running on, I'm only running at 1660x1200.

I can't draw a reasonable comparison to a 560ti, that's like comparing a Segway to a Porsche. It should be powerful enough if you don't go crazy with shadows, AA and reflections.

  Alot

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8/08/12 9:35:46 AM#18


Originally posted by Naqaj

Originally posted by Alot Was the game still playable with Supersampling enabled? Because I really hope that a i5-2500k + GTX 560ti are capable of running the game at max settings WITH Supersampling.
Just barely. I had it locked at a stable 30FPS, but when switching to supersampling it dropped to 15-20. Depends a lot on what resolution you're running on, I'm only running at 1660x1200.


Heh, 1280x1024. I am old-school.

  Naqaj

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8/08/12 9:37:53 AM#19
Near-sighted more likely ;P