Originally posted by UsualSuspect

It seems to me that a lot of recent games, TOR, TSW, etc, we get this type of post. "Meh, game sucks, I quit, PvP was awful..". It's that last bit that's been catching my eye lately. A lot of the whiners complaining about these games seem to prefer PvP to PvE. Is this the case, or am I just seeing too much into it? Personally, if people are picking up MMO's for the PvP then going away disappointed then I'm happy. The sooner they remove PvP from MMO's, except for those directly created for it - e.g. Planetside - the better.

Leave PvP to the FPS's of the world, and RPG's with their PvE focus.

You were probably the one playing everquest while i was killing in Dark Age of Camelot. Or maybe you started out in wow on a pve server?

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Originally posted by UsualSuspect
It seems to me that a lot of recent games, TOR, TSW, etc, we get this type of post. "Meh, game sucks, I quit, PvP was awful..". It's that last bit that's been catching my eye lately. A lot of the whiners complaining about these games seem to prefer PvP to PvE. Is this the case, or am I just seeing too much into it? Personally, if people are picking up MMO's for the PvP then going away disappointed then I'm happy. The sooner they remove PvP from MMO's, except for those directly created for it - e.g. Planetside - the better.

Leave PvP to the FPS's of the world, and RPG's with their PvE focus.

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lol i really don't understand what ppl want from rpg pvp..

Originally posted by Vladamyre

You were probably the one playing everquest while i was killing in Dark Age of Camelot. Or maybe you started out in wow on a pve server?

Sounds about right, I started with EverQuest. I played DAoC for a while but again, the PvP focus turned me away. I just have very little interest in PvP in my MMO's, hell, I don't even bother with it in FPS games. They're just all the same thing, run around, shoot, die, respawn, continue respawning until someone captures the flag, back and fore, back and fore.. What's the point? It's so boring.

Originally posted by UsualSuspect

Originally posted by Vladamyre

You were probably the one playing everquest while i was killing in Dark Age of Camelot. Or maybe you started out in wow on a pve server?

Sounds about right, I started with EverQuest. I played DAoC for a while but again, the PvP focus turned me away. I just have very little interest in PvP in my MMO's, hell, I don't even bother with it in FPS games. They're just all the same thing, run around, shoot, die, respawn, continue respawning until someone captures the flag, back and fore, back and fore.. What's the point? It's so boring.

Well its a totally different ballgame when its pvp. Pve turns out to be the same damn boring as hell script fight after you first beat it. Easier and easier. Where as pvp is never the same, it all depends on whos behind the toons. Players tend to be smarter and harder fights then boring ass scripts. DAoC was purely a skill based game, it wasn't easy to pick that up and just start trashing people like you can with script fights. Just about every game has pvp in it, as it should. Pve bores me to tears after a while.

Originally posted by Vladamyre

Well its a totally different ballgame when its pvp. Pve turns out to be the same damn boring as hell script fight after you first beat it. Easier and easier. Where as pvp is never the same, it all depends on whos behind the toons. Players tend to be smarter and harder fights then boring ass scripts. DAoC was purely a skill based game, it wasn't easy to pick that up and just start trashing people like you can with script fights. Just about every game has pvp in it, as it should. Pve bores me to tears after a while.

I'm of the opposite mindset, I prefer a good PvE encounter to a PvP any day. See, where you say it's about skill, I have to completely disagree unless you're playing an FPS. It's simply a case of, "My gear is better than yours, my attack beats your AC so I hit you, your attack is too low to affect my AC so I stand like some mighty God. Hah hah, noob!". No skill, just who has the better equipment, whose weapon does the better damage, etc.

Planetside is the only PvP based MMO I've ever bothered with. It wasn't about people strafing back and fore, bunny hopping like idiots, it had tanks, aircraft, ATV's, dropships, heavy armor, stealth armor. It was about the tactics, the overall playing field, not just Bob vs Jim in a strafing, bunny hopping, gear based fight to the death.

Originally posted by Geschaefer

Yet again I am wondering who to blame for the money sepent on this "hyped up impulse purchase"

I can help you with that. Do you have a mirror?

Originally posted by sonicbrew

Originally posted by tank017

Originally posted by rdrakken

Originally posted by sonicbrew
It's FunCom; with their track record did you really expect anything less?

 This.

In fact, Funcoms company slogan should be "Funcom: lower your expectations".

 

That notion doesn't really work here.TSW is actually a solid, well made game, which Funcom always caught flak for producing the opposite.

 

As someone who beta'd the game for quite some time, I could not disagree more. For me, the notion worked extremely well...

So you beta'd the game,have a cookie..

Compared to Aoc and AO,TSW was leaps and bounds better at release.

Originally posted by Geschaefer

Im done,

Yet again I am wondering who to blame for the money sepent on this "hyped up impulse purchase"

Im not knocking them completely; the game has some nice small features, but with all things being equal this game is the same grind as any other.

Im mostly upset with their PVP.

Why am i in a world with 3 factions at war, where one second i can group with them to take down a dungeon boss; then fight them the next second in some huge annonymous skill less zerg battle.

 

Open world PVP should have been a cornerstone in this game. 

Im thinking that each faction should have had faction missions, rewarding you in faction rank or gear,, when you take a faction mission; your "overt" and can be ganked by any other overt enemy faction.

 

Thats my 2 cents.

Yep same reasons I'm quitting. When I first heard of their 3 faction design I was like "Finally a good OWPvP game, the lore is ideal for it !", turns out the PvP is nothing more than a last minute after thought, a bad one at that.

The questing is better than most themeparks out there but that's not what I play MMOs for.

So adios TSW, the ride was fun while it lasted.

Originally posted by Geschaefer

 

Yet again I am wondering who to blame for the money sepent on this 

Blame no one else but yourself.

I played the free weekend, finished Kingsmouth and the whole "Dawn of an endless night" storyline.

Had a blast and didn't pay a single cent for it.

If you like a game but you are unsure if it's worth paying for and you pay anyway without testing first - then it's your own fault and no one elses.

Originally posted by gessekai332
definitely worth the box price. console games are priced the same and you get waaaaaay less.

Console games don't require a subscription if you eant to pick it up again a few months later.  If you play MMO's you don't really want disposable games like the ones dummies buy for consoles.

well worth the box price and sub.. this is the best themepark game on the market simple as..

Sadly at the moment i dont have time for ti.. but ill be back when i do..

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Hopefully GW2 kills the subscription model for all games not named WOW. 

there are still other markets out there.

eve online for one may hold onto their sub model for quite some time as neither of these games seem to really fill the same niche.  

and there are others no doubt.  i thought at first TSW might be one of them, but after hearing more about the game i'm not so sure anymore.. but i'm not even close to an expert on this game.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Hopefully GW2 kills the subscription model for all games not named WOW. 

Not everyone wants some form of a cash shop in their game. To some of us, it is sad that the genre is moving in that direction.

I dunno, playing a MMORPG and looking for balanced, competitive PVP seems to be a recipie for failure anyway.  LOL or some other MOBA seems more suitable no?

Open world PVP is always zergy as well, so that really doesn't solve the issue, you learn to accept that as well.

TSW is a PVE oriented game and they tossed in a bit of PVP just for grins.  I haven't even tried it yet, despite playing now in my 2nd month.  BG combat is of no interest to me, the rewards are inconsequential, so what would be the point.

Seems like GW2 might offer a better experience, and good news, will be available in a few weeks.

But I suspect it will let down many folks as well, but we'll have to wait and see.

(and of course, have a legion of very happy players as well)

lack of meaningfull open world pvp was the olny reason i passed on this game,, i enjoyed my time in the closed beta A LOT, but in a longer run it just isnt a game for me, the pvp in it is just complete opposite of what i expect from my mmo's, and after swtor i just wasnt in a mood to spend 50 or 60 $ just for a themepark pve experience ( even tho the pve experience in tsw is really really enjoyable, and different from all the copy paste games out there )

if youre looking for a pve game and like the setting, you will enjoy tsw a lot

if youre a die hard pvper, this most likely wont be a game for you

kinda shame, becouse being a huge anarchy online fan id be glad to give my cash to funcom

Originally posted by Geschaefer

Im done,

Yet again I am wondering who to blame for the money sepent on this "hyped up impulse purchase"

Im not knocking them completely; the game has some nice small features, but with all things being equal this game is the same grind as any other.

Im mostly upset with their PVP.

Why am i in a world with 3 factions at war, where one second i can group with them to take down a dungeon boss; then fight them the next second in some huge annonymous skill less zerg battle.

 

Open world PVP should have been a cornerstone in this game. 

Im thinking that each faction should have had faction missions, rewarding you in faction rank or gear,, when you take a faction mission; your "overt" and can be ganked by any other overt enemy faction.

 

Thats my 2 cents.

The 3 factions are technically in a truce, the battlegrounds are there, mainly for the sake of having pvp. 

I would say mostly your fault for expecting a pve game to be pvp focused.  I mean, I didnt go into EvE expecting awsome dungeons and compelling story.

The release of SWTOR should have taught ALL MMORPG gamers 3 important lessons:

NEVER pre-order a game

NEVER believe in hype - ESPECIALLY articles written by MMORPG.com staff - they have to earn a living too, you know!

NEVER buy a game during the first month of its release - they ALWAYS put the best stuff at the beginning because they know professional reviewers are lazy

Here endeth the lesson.