Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
At this point the entire Star Wars franchise needs an enema.

I hope that includes George Lucas too.

Most games these days are: buy game, play game til you hit the max level or rank, drop game and move onto the next game. THe replay value has basically disappeared. Companies are after the quick $, DICE/EA recently added a $50 account premium for all future expansions in Battlefield 3 (there likely will only be 1 expansion after B2K and CQ) then has the balls to announce Battlefield 4 right after doing that. They did this so they can get as much $ from the current playerbase than a year later selling the expansion for $10 and not getting as much money as they can now, last time I logged into BF3, every player I shot or was killed by was a premium player, I haven't bothered since I don't play BF3 anymore (since January) considering DICE has turned BF3 into a Call of Duty clone (like Bioware turning SWTOR into a WoW clone).

Little do some devs realize that people are TRYING to get away from the WoW scene (or Call of Duty scene) for new games, only to get a clone with a different skin.

" Star Wars: The Old Republic simply needs a quality enema "

Yes it does. Needs it badly so to speak.... But WHOM shall perform the "Procedure"?

BioWare? Electronic Arts? Lucas Arts?

None of these can do so. The ALL share some of the blame and responsibility for why SWTOR sucks so bad. You don't ask an axe murderer to be the ER Doc for his vicitims.

No, an outside Dev Team will have to do the Enema, a Dev Team outside the influence of the three above. That means SWTOR has to be sold off first or become Public Domain (never happen). Until then talk of giving SWTOR what it needs is pointless.

Originally posted by Dibdabs

Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
At this point the entire Star Wars franchise needs an enema.

I hope that includes George Lucas too.

Karen Traviss would be so high on the thought...

Originally posted by sookster54

Most games these days are: buy game, play game til you hit the max level or rank, drop game and move onto the next game. THe replay value has basically disappeared. Companies are after the quick $, DICE/EA recently added a $50 account premium for all future expansions in Battlefield 3 (there likely will only be 1 expansion after B2K and CQ) then has the balls to announce Battlefield 4 right after doing that. They did this so they can get as much $ from the current playerbase than a year later selling the expansion for $10 and not getting as much money as they can now, last time I logged into BF3, every player I shot or was killed by was a premium player, I haven't bothered since I don't play BF3 anymore (since January) considering DICE has turned BF3 into a Call of Duty clone (like Bioware turning SWTOR into a WoW clone).

Little do some devs realize that people are TRYING to get away from the WoW scene (or Call of Duty scene) for new games, only to get a clone with a different skin.

Sadly I see the trend you mentioned as well.  What a shame .. MMORPG'ers want longevity, not what is being given.  EA needs to leave gaming to people who really appreciate gaming & stop adding a dollar value over every customers head.

To everyone in this thread, thank you for your replies!  I enjoyed reading the responses from everyone.

Originally posted by Karteli

Any thoughts on SWTOR having a shutdown / revamp?

 Shutdown? every game will eventually.

Revamp? Only if EA gets the enema and it runs down through Bioware(I know I know...EWW!). The captain is asleep at the wheel of the ship and the crew is running amok.

Originally posted by Horusra
Frankly it does not need a revamp...it needs to have a massive content upgrade.  Multiple paths of leveling, more endgame choices, and more pvp options.  It is only on this site that thinks the themepark is done.  It is not it just needs so much content that you keep coming back for more.  The few that complain that want a sandbox will just keep complaining here on the boards that their choice of game is too difficult to make in a mass marketable way.

You should look at some other sites, to include the official forums for SWTOR, and see what people have offered concerning how they think the game needs to be changed. Even your additions amount to a revamp considering the rate of content addition to date. SWTOR is a linear game with no horizontal progression, its human nature for the players to be bored. Better hope they don't start making a lot of non-themepark games or you will be in the minority and won't have that plurality of banality to justify your comments.

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by Horusra
Frankly it does not need a revamp...it needs to have a massive content upgrade.  Multiple paths of leveling, more endgame choices, and more pvp options.  It is only on this site that thinks the themepark is done.  It is not it just needs so much content that you keep coming back for more.  The few that complain that want a sandbox will just keep complaining here on the boards that their choice of game is too difficult to make in a mass marketable way.

You should look at some other sites, to include the official forums for SWTOR, and see what people have offered concerning how they think the game needs to be changed. Even your additions amount to a revamp considering the rate of content addition to date. SWTOR is a linear game with no horizontal progression, its human nature for the players to be bored. Better hope they don't start making a lot of non-themepark games or you will be in the minority and won't have that plurality of banality to justify your comments.

working well for WoW

Problem with non-themepark games is that sandbox is very broad...as soon as ganking is found in there, which is part of free will, the amount of people in the game will be small.  That is the foil of sandbox games.  Where is the line.  Where is the protection vs free will.  Themeparks rule so long as content comes regular and keeps people moving "forward".  People here mock the gear threadmill, but many like it so long as the threadmill is visually updated regularly.  As with WoW, when they put out a content heavy update those areas where the update is has a surge of people.  Cat did more on the low end than high end so the number of new people expanded.  Panda will do both and open new doors for high level raid expansions. 

Eve the shining example of sandbox is stagnated according to their own tracker and how many of those subs are duplicates of players.  Most people I know that played hardcore had 2 if not 3 accounts that they regularly used.  PvP in controlled environ beats open world PvP because most people do not want it.  So I have no fear of a true sandbox becoming dominate.

The game launched and played fine, the big subscription killing issue was the fact that the game has an END.

Once you get through the really good voice acting, stories and questing on the planets you were left with dailies, pvp mini-games and raids.

Really people parse this up way to much, if a game ends so will the subscriptions, a sprinkle of this and a dab of that wont change that. That brings as much joy to the forum dingleberries here as did the failure of all the other mmorpgs, I like having choices myself, but I'm actually a fan of mmorpg games, unlike most of the people around here.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

The game launched and played fine, the big subscription killing issue was the fact that the game has an END.

Once you get through the really good voice acting, stories and questing on the planets you were left with dailies, pvp mini-games and raids.

Really people parse this up way to much, if a game ends so will the subscriptions, a sprinkle of this and a dab of that wont change that. That brings as much joy to the forum dingleberries here as did the failure of all the other mmorpgs, I like having choices myself, but I'm actually a fan of mmorpg games, unlike most of the people around here.

Wait, so if you are critical of games then you are a dingleberry? Would be nice to be 100% satisfied by the games released, wish I had your sense of entertainment.

It is not realistic to take a game that still has a ton of people playing it down months after release.

FFXIV was a totally different matter, the level of suck simply went into the "unplayable" regions for that game.

Honestly the game didnt do many things that bad. Think about it, it wasn't actually revolutionary or anything however everything generally landed par for the course... except questing.

to make SWTOR good in my opinion you just need to drop the railroad feel and the game will gain subs back.