Played GW1 for about 2 years, quitted for maybe 4 years ago so i dont know how gw1 looks now. Preordered GW2 and tested it for a few times and i have to say i doesnt match up at all to my gw1 experience. What i have experienced/red they have removed all the strongest parts of their first game, things like Competetive GvG, hardcore PvP (1v1,3v3,5v5,8v8,12v12,24v24 etc etc). Challenging PvE, wich i did not encouter at all in GW2 And the spectating mode.

And these dynamic events are all piss easy for some reason? And from my point of view the WvWvW system doesnt really qualify as "competetive PvP" unless you are a bigger group and will actually make a difference. The current WvWvW system is all about zerging, brainless zerging.

My point with this post is as the titel asks, only me who thinks this way?

If i am missing something and they actually have any of these features im missing, please do tell me so i can get my hopes up again. Sad to see such a hardcore GW1 turn in to a softcore GW2. 

Originally posted by tralla

And these dynamic events are all piss easy for some reason?

 let me guess.. you played only the last beta weekend.

Agreed unfortunately. I was looking forward to a PVP centric game, but GW2 just doesnt appear to be it. I am sure the PVP will suit the casuals and the WoW crowd, and the PvE may engage for a little, but I wish it was more like the original in the competitive sense. I feel like Arenanet more wanted to make a massive PvE game (and to be fair all the GW expansions pointed to that). I just hope a good solid arena system develops for GW2 as well.

So I still have some hope that we get a good solid arena system with a lot of map variety eventually.

If you like small scale lobby based cooperative online games, GW1 is indeed good. But if you like MMORPGs, GW1 isn't even in the competition, since it's not a MMORPG.

Thankfully, GW1 hasn't closed its doors with the release of GW2, and people like you who prefer it can still play it :)

Originally posted by CyanSword

Agreed unfortunately. I was looking forward to a PVP centric game, but GW2 just doesnt appear to be it. I am sure the PVP will suit the casuals and the WoW crowd, and the PvE may engage for a little, but I wish it was more like the original in the competitive sense. I feel like Arenanet more wanted to make a massive PvE game (and to be fair all the GW expansions pointed to that). I just hope a good solid arena system develops for GW2 as well.

So I still have some hope that we get a good solid arena system with a lot of map variety eventually.

Good to hear someone sharing the same thoughts.

Originally posted by Anthur
Yep, GW1 is still there. I don't see any reason to develop the same game twice.

Totally agreed. But if you pause for a second, read between the lines you will see that i'm saying that a game should take its strongest sides and make them stronger in the new game. not making the same game, but instead taking what was successful and taking it to another level.

Originally posted by wrightstuf
you, and maybe 6 other people

Sadly you are not wrong. But that is also sad for us hardcore PvPers out there. Cause noone will make a game hard anymore, because a hard game where you punish the weak will make all the worse players leave the game. And truth to be told, majority of any playerbase consists of bad players.

Let get this straight - you aren't implying GW1 is a "hardcore" PvP game, right? Tell me you aren't implying GW1 is a hard game that punishes the "weak" (I will refrain commenting  on the usage of the word "weark" for now...).

Tell me you aren't doing that here... please.

Originally posted by tralla

Played GW1 for about 2 years, quitted for maybe 4 years ago so i dont know how gw1 looks now. Preordered GW2 and tested it for a few times and i have to say i doesnt match up at all to my gw1 experience. What i have experienced/red they have removed all the strongest parts of their first game, things like Competetive GvG, hardcore PvP (1v1,3v3,5v5,8v8,12v12,24v24 etc etc). Challenging PvE, wich i did not encouter at all in GW2 And the spectating mode.

And these dynamic events are all piss easy for some reason? And from my point of view the WvWvW system doesnt really qualify as "competetive PvP" unless you are a bigger group and will actually make a difference. The current WvWvW system is all about zerging, brainless zerging.

My point with this post is as the titel asks, only me who thinks this way?

 

If i am missing something and they actually have any of these features im missing, please do tell me so i can get my hopes up again. Sad to see such a hardcore GW1 turn in to a softcore GW2. 

You played what? 20-30 levels out of 80. 1/4th and a very early one as well. I don't recall GW1 being challenging in first levels either. Have you done dungeons? Have you done some more obscure events that aren't filled by players? There is challenging content out there, just don't expect it to be in starting areas. That's silly and won't ever happen in AAA MMO. 

As for PvP, they changed the multiple mode set up, which was a casue of huge mess and lots of trouble in GW1 into a more uniform Coqnuest mode based PvP. You have hardcore/competitive part in form of tournaments which are 5v5. Having more different modes doesn't really makea game more hardcore. If you look at all major competitve games on the e-sport scene they all only utilize single mode pretty much. WvWvW was never meant to be competitive - it's there for fun and massive battles. 

I think the thing is You expected something completely different even tho the game, from the start, was presented and advertsied as a game that's not a a GW1 2.0. GW2 is it's own game, utilizing the mechanics of a MMO rather than lobby co-op RPG. 

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Let get this straight - you aren't implying GW1 is a "hardcore" PvP game, right? Tell me you aren't implying is a hard game that punishes the "weak" (I will refrain commenting  on the usage of the word "weark" for now...).

Tell me you aren't doing that here... please.

Easy brother, his comment nearly made my heart stop as well. 

GW1 was far from hardcore. A lot of fun? Yes. Took time to master? Yes. Hardcore? Not in the fucking slightest.

If u call yourself a hardcore PvPer because of GW1 come one.... you are joking right?

GW1 was NO WAY a hardcore pvp game...

They have a way to go on sPvP but there intentions seem clear ...... they seem 'serious' about it. Hell,they  use the eSport word. I am in a poor position to judge being fundamentally 'average' at it. Looking at some of the vids from people like team legacy and super squad it seems to me like the 'hardcre' should be challenged. 

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Let get this straight - you aren't implying GW1 is a "hardcore" PvP game, right? Tell me you aren't implying GW1 is a hard game that punishes the "weak" (I will refrain commenting  on the usage of the word "weark" for now...).

Tell me you aren't doing that here... please.

Had to read that a second time as well, a PVP game that punishes the weak? Wha???

I think by "hardcore PvPer" he meant "competitive PvPer," otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

GW1 does not currently and never had hardcore PvP.

OP, if you're interested in competitive PvP, look into structured PvP.

Any thread with "hardcore", "WoW' crowd" and "casual" in the first few posts just makes my brain hurt anymore.

What was this thread about?

Who cares, I'm going outside.

Originally posted by Thrashbarg

Any thread with "hardcore", "WoW' crowd" and "casual" in the first few posts just makes my brain hurt anymore.

What was this thread about?

Who cares, I'm going outside.

Carebear