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General Discussion  » Seems like the game has peaked on XFire - Part 2

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  jacklo

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7/18/12 7:17:22 PM#561
Originally posted by Thoth-Amon

people still use xfire?

Ahem, a thread with a total of 2365 posts and some dude comes up with this again.

You know, we never thought of that. Duh.

  ktanner3

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7/19/12 8:57:33 AM#562
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.

  superniceguy

Elite Member

Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 1926

NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR

7/19/12 9:23:36 AM#563
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

TOR had a slight boost due to the free Lv 15 trial, but dropped back down again.

I am not bothering with TSW as 1) it is just another story driven (single player) game 2) Another EA production 3) EU subs cost £12.99 whereas others incl TOR cost £8.99, but has 2 postives -1) Not another fantasy themed MMO and 2) Has no levels. I may try it later though.

Tera is just another generic fantasy themed MMO, so getting overlooked, but I may give it a go.

You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players

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  teakbois

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7/19/12 9:34:13 AM#564
Originally posted by Creslin321

 I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;).

Xfire is worthless for raw numbers.  SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it.  For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor.  For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless.

  User Deleted
7/19/12 5:00:49 PM#565
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Creslin321

 I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;).

Xfire is worthless for raw numbers.  SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it.  For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor.  For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless.

Especially since AION has double the population of SWTOR right now possibly more. Arguing xfire numbers on a below mediocre game at this point, is a waste of energy. The hype train has long since been debunked and run off the tracks.

 

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  Pelaaja

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Posts: 700

7/19/12 5:07:29 PM#566
Originally posted by superniceguy

You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players

I don't think you need to remember EVE, because you can see concurrent players on their launcher. Like atm there's 33,863 players online.

All other (afaik) games you can/need to speculate on how many players there is, on EVE it's told straightforward.

  guernica88

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 5

7/19/12 5:07:57 PM#567
Originally posted by unfettered

worse thing is that SWTOR shows no signs of having any kind of F2P or MT framework established or even conceptualized. so now that it's revealed that they have not made any money on SWTOR, and other projects can't make it up, they can't even go F2P. they're more likely to just shut it down.

I think the legacy stuff is a perfect setup for a f2p store. Add another just like it for mounts weapons and costumes and they're good to go.

That said I really hope it doesn't go f2p anytime soon. I'm still enjoying the game too much to watch it slowly be ruined by a f2p model. Yes I know this doesn't always happen but there seems to be a pretty good chance of it.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 1926

NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR

7/20/12 7:01:44 AM#568
Originally posted by Pelaaja
Originally posted by superniceguy

You also keep missing out EVE which has 997 players

I don't think you need to remember EVE, because you can see concurrent players on their launcher. Like atm there's 33,863 players online.

All other (afaik) games you can/need to speculate on how many players there is, on EVE it's told straightforward.

OK then, on that thinking, EVE is number one!

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  superniceguy

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NGE > NGE 2, LOTRO > NGE 2, STO > NGE 2, KOTOR > NGE 2, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2. NGE 2 = SWTOR

7/20/12 7:24:24 AM#569
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Creslin321

 I think that people like to dismiss or discredit XFire when it doesn't agree with their argument ;).

Xfire is worthless for raw numbers.  SWTOR has a lot more than 3x TERAs players, but TERA appeals to an age range that is significantly more likely to use xfire so a greater % of their players use it.  For trends though it can be useful, especially with a sample size as large as WoW or even swtor.  For a game like Rift with only 200 xfire users, its mostly worthless.

I don't think age has anything to do with it. You either use it or you don't.

I use Xfire as it covers virtually every game there is.  Other similar programs do not. Steam only supports games they sell and / or you can download from them, but if you only play games offered by Steam then you are less likely to use Xfire. SWTOR is not on Steam so to track your gametime, Xfire is the most obvious choice. Raptr is just messy if you just want PC logging, as covers all platforms, but not so much with Wii, and have used it briefly and does not record the play time as accuarately as Xfre.

TSW even did a special beta test for people using Xfire before launch, and there is a known issue which they are working with xfire to resolve.

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  Sukiyaki

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Posts: 1080

7/21/12 8:44:19 AM#570
Originally posted by Tensor25

 I think that you like to ride coat tails and refuse to read. As I did state as a FACT: SWTOR SUBS ARE DECLINING.

I discredit Xfire in this scenario because its not credible information. Understand? If not see my repsonse gervaise1

You argue with selfproclaimed anonymous "experts" and "scientist" on the internet, who even fail at basic 1st grade algebra and openly agree and claim that xfire has "1 Million daily user", when not even on weekends the public numbers add up to a third of that. A hard fact that could be verified by any 1st grader simply counting them and has no room room for assumptions or twist. Of course easier to let a script do the work for you. A fabricated argument to support accuracies based of user which simply dont even exist (And thats the case even if you ignore the fact an any user could play more than one game = accumulated user of all games arent neccessarily unique user and dont contribute to a "sample" size accuracy). And whom deny hundreds of pages their so called "evidence supporting xfire" has all times been debunked and lies exposed and ignore the several strong examples which still expose xfires significant inaccuracies for trend tracking, activity tracking, game on game comparison, as population indicator, going from conradicting public population data of games, over public financial records, contradicting public accepted scientific surveys, over exposure of xfires methods of tracking their user (not sampling gamer) down to the countles of failures by these apologist to even understand what the f*ck they are even talking about, when they refer to data the keep citing and deliberately spinning , even when its just reading labels wrong over and over again.

Dont waste you time anymore. Most has already been said and at best received ignorance and denial in response, sometimes even just blatant lies to evade the argument. I mean.. this whole thread was based of a claim attempting to bash this game (just like every other apologist here despite the obvious denial) that was unargueably debunked just one single day after it was posted and had to suffer even worse defeat facing the contrary developement evey day for about two weeks.

Some random claims are made up, object fact are spun (like the recent lies about "merges" and "shutting down" servers, when nothing has been merged yet or shut down at all), they get proven wrong or exposed, the apologist will pretend it never happened or it wasnt debunked, then go nitpick at the one or two posts every 30 pages by people who dont know xfire and dont trust it and then restart the scripted act of denial, pretending no evidence against their ridicoulous claims and lies have ever been brought forword and as if their claims have been evidently "confirmed in the past" even if its just equally assumed as before and at best roll up every "argument" that that has already been debunked before, i itf isnt just far catched, uneducatd and unverifyable assumption anyway. Thats how its started, thats how it went on up till now and there is nothing that holds them back to continue this behavior.

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  TeknoBug

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7/21/12 9:37:52 AM#571


Originally posted by unfettered
worse thing is that SWTOR shows no signs of having any kind of F2P or MT framework established or even conceptualized. so now that it's revealed that they have not made any money on SWTOR, and other projects can't make it up, they can't even go F2P. they're more likely to just shut it down.

You need to do some looking around, first of all, HeroEngine was designed for F2P games which makes sense now, I initially thought "omg fail on picking a bad engine for this game". And a dev actually mentioned F2P at one point during a discussion with Gamebreaker.


They can't shut it down, they're on a contract with Lucas Arts, if they shut it down too soon, they'll owe lots of money to them.

  Vrika

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Posts: 1594

7/22/12 11:44:44 AM#572

SWTOR vs. WoW time played on XFire

100% = WoW's time played, blue line = SWTOR's time played. All my data is from Saturdays.

No large changes have happened during last 2 months. Both WoW's and SWTOR's time played has stayed roughly the same despite summer holidays and the release of TSW.

 

  gervaise1

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Posts: 607

7/22/12 4:07:28 PM#573

^^^^

Yes and no.

I won't nitpicjk about the decline in the last month from the 1500s to the 1400s.

What has happened however is that there have been a lot of free trial stuff; most significantly the recent free for anyone who wants to play to level 15. Despite that the number is still flat.

And at some point the people who took out a 6 month sub will start to come up for renewal. With all the free days its a bit hard to say when exactly they come up for renewal - pretty sure it is after the next reporting date - but they will come up for renewal and some may decide to call it a day. 

  ktanner3

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7/23/12 8:05:17 AM#574
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

 7/23/12

Game                                               Users

WOW                                                    11,596

TOR                                                       1,494

TSW                                                        812

TERA                                                       387

NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.

  ktanner3

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7/30/12 9:20:46 AM#575
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

 7/23/12

Game                                               Users

WOW                                                    11,596

TOR                                                       1,494

TSW                                                        812

TERA                                                       387

7/30/2012

 

Game                                   USERS

WOW                                       11,735

TOR                                            1,482

TSW                                            753

TERA                                           393     

NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.

  Icewhite

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7/30/12 9:26:45 AM#576
Originally posted by sookster54
You need to do some looking around, first of all, HeroEngine was designed for F2P games

No, it really wasn't.  F2P didn't really exist in the West when development of HE began...and certainly not a Simutronics.

  ktanner3

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8/06/12 8:59:56 AM#577
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

 7/23/12

Game                                               Users

WOW                                                    11,596

TOR                                                       1,494

TSW                                                        812

TERA                                                       387

7/30/2012

 

Game                                   USERS

WOW                                       11,735

TOR                                            1,482

TSW                                            753

TERA                                           393     

8/6/2012

FTP announcement last week

 

GAME                            USERS

WOW                              11,551

TOR                                   1,519

TSW                                     981

TERA                                   415

 

NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.

  tiefighter25

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 942

8/06/12 5:42:57 PM#578

Feel free to call me a tin foil hat wearing tin foil chewing hater.

Why did MMO-Junkies.net (what was supposed to measure SWTOR's success) abruptly shut down?

Why does TOR Status (which doesn't count the dead servers in population trends) still count dead servers in the server overall change?

Why do the dead servers keep universally rising in population (currently .02) the exact same ammount on each server every week if they are dead?

Why is it on TOR-Status, it shows that since the mergers, the destination servers keep losing population, but SWTOR's x-fire numbers keep slightly rising?

People keep asking who uses x-fire, perhaps Bioware does for one.

Doing my share to keep up some flame free drama in an epic thread.

  ktanner3

Master

Joined: 3/19/06
Posts: 3922

Trolls will be ignored

8/13/12 8:02:34 AM#579
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by ktanner3

7/5/2012

GAME                   USERS

WOW                    11,398

TOR                        1,405

TSW                         833

TERA                        571

 

 

 7/9/2012

Game                                Users

WOW                                11651

TOR                                    1574

TSW                                    1197

TERA                                   562

 7/16/12

Game                                      Users

WOW                                     11,751

TOR                                          1,817

TSW                                          1,138

TERA                                         465

7/19/2012

Game                                          Users

WOW                                            11,470

TOR                                                 1,567

TSW                                                927

TERA                                               447

 

 7/23/12

Game                                               Users

WOW                                                    11,596

TOR                                                       1,494

TSW                                                        812

TERA                                                       387

7/30/2012

 

Game                                   USERS

WOW                                       11,735

TOR                                            1,482

TSW                                            753

TERA                                           393     

8/6/2012

FTP announcement last week

 

GAME                            USERS

WOW                              11,551

TOR                                   1,519

TSW                                     981

TERA                                   415

 

8/13/2012

Game                                 Users

WOW                                   11,545

TOR                                        1,495

TSW                                         547

TERA                                        351

NGE killed SWG. Get over it like the rest of us did in 2005.

  gervaise1

Elite Member

Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 607

8/13/12 5:29:10 PM#580
Originally posted by tiefighter25

Feel free to call me a tin foil hat wearing tin foil chewing hater.

Why did MMO-Junkies.net (what was supposed to measure SWTOR's success) abruptly shut down?

Why does TOR Status (which doesn't count the dead servers in population trends) still count dead servers in the server overall change?

Why do the dead servers keep universally rising in population (currently .02) the exact same ammount on each server every week if they are dead?

Why is it on TOR-Status, it shows that since the mergers, the destination servers keep losing population, but SWTOR's x-fire numbers keep slightly rising?

People keep asking who uses x-fire, perhaps Bioware does for one.

Doing my share to keep up some flame free drama in an epic thread.

MMO-Junkies or whatever - no traffic if it was supported by advertsing; no volunteers if it wasn't. Sites shutting down are a sign of declining interest.

TOR status: no idea. However both TOR status and X-Fire are only "windows on the world"; both have told the same overall story even when one has been up and the other down. And XFire is under 1400 again despite the free-to-level 15. Maybe the 6 month subs have played to the last day and they are now expiring (may still be to early yet for them to drop out of they still play).

mmorpg.com traffic down as well. Nobody really cares any more.

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