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Star Wars: The Old Republic

Star Wars: The Old Republic 

General Discussion  » SWTOR's Intended Playerbase

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8/06/12 9:13:26 AM#41
Originally posted by Ahnog

SWTOR’s intended player base is not hardcore gamers who are looking for innovation in MMOs.  These are looking for a new thrill, and are not satisfied with MMOs as they exist today. Furthermore, they have rejected the game and moved on and and are now looking for GW2 and other games to break new ground for them. Good luck guys and gals.


SWTOR does appeal to hardcore gamers who are satisfied with incremental innovation in MMOs.  I count myself among this number, and I love the game. BW has added its special touch to MMOs by getting rid of text box quest givers and introduced us to a vibrant, interesting set of story lines that involve us in conversations with the non-player character world. They have made innovations in crafting by getting rid of roaming the lands looking for resources, and other small steps. Kudos BW!


SWTOR’s intended player base is Star Wars fans. Most of these have never even heard of a MMO, much less played one. But they, my son among them, love the thing that is Star Wars. They have models, collections, toys, and copies of the movies which they watch over and over again wishing there was more to the story. BW has brought them that story, and almost 2 million of them responded by buying the game. They liked the game, but they weren’t prepared to pay $15 a month for it and they began slipping away.


The decision to go F2P will reach these fans and the game will surpass WOW in population.  They will come in droves and learn the basics of MMOs as they explore the Star Wars universe. Wookies, Jedi, especially Jedi, the Republic, space ships, and new stories—they are all there. The game can’t help but be a success now.


BW, LucasArts, and EA knew who they were after, but they erred in thinking these fans would come to a subscription based MMO. They’ve seen the error of their ways and they are correcting it. A great future lies ahead for them and for the players.


The bottom line is that SWTOR will survive and prosper, and that’s all we wanted in the first place.


1.   Personal preferences and wishful thinking are not a rational basis to make truth claims.     Which gets me to:


2.   Surpass WoW's population?   How?    By what mechanisms?   All the recommendations?   All the happy ex-SWTOR players lining up to endorse the game?   That it's the 'coolest MMO ever?'    Even Turbine only doubled its population in LOTRO with the F2P model, (and lost half of what they gained within in a year) and that is probably one of the most successful P2P-to-F2P conversions ever done.   All I really see in your post is wishful thinking and the point that:


3.   None of that worked the first time through.   It's the same bag of crap with a different pay model.   And while I'd have came back to finish up my unfinished stories if there wouldn't have been too many horrible restrictions I find that to be not the case.   That I'm getting no unlock/thank you credit  seeing as I bought the client they're (soon to be) giving away for free, it seems that won't be counting, so why should I?


I mean, really, I paid for the game and they're gimping the account I paid for?    I could see 'buy xpacs and addons,' like Turbine makes you.   But to lose what I paid for?    Turbine didn't take away my Rune Keeper when I dropped my sub.  They didn't take away my inventory space.   They didn't take away my clothing tabs.   They didn't take away my player housing.   They didn't take away my deeds.   They didn't take away The Mines of Moria, Siege of Mirkwood or Rise of Isengard stuff either.


In fact, when Turbine went F2P, I got a ton of turbine points because I had bought the game.   I had something close to $60 worth of Turbine Points when they converted.    And as I subbed, they kept giving me more.   I have over 9,000 Turbine points in LOTRO just waiting for me to get interested in playing again...


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8/06/12 9:20:36 AM#42
Originally posted by valkerus

I am sick of hearing that this game is a single player game. I don't know who and i wont guess what BW's intended target audience is/was but i can guarantee it isn't the space bar through conversation, race to end game crowd.  I know this because no game is targeted to players like that. I continue to see posts about how great it was to 50 then nothing to do. Well sad to state the obvious but if you play a new release title like its your job you are going to run out of content.  So people race to end game never grouping for heroics or forming raids to take on world bosses and say the game is co-op. I thought my job can be frustrating at times, i wouldn't change places with a game developer to save my life.


Considering they likely spent more money this game that WoW has for it's game and all its expansions...    That excuse doesn't fly with me.   They blew their budget on gimmicks, not game play.   


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8/06/12 9:27:19 AM#43
 It's not a bad game .... but it's just that .... a game. I was looking for an MMO and never got that feeling what so ever. If it wasnt set in a Star Wars universe, I doubt it would have even held my attention to end game.
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8/06/12 9:34:37 AM#44

Originally posted by Ahnog
SWTOR’s intended player base is not hardcore gamers who are looking for innovation in MMOs.  These are looking for a new thrill, and are not satisfied with MMOs as they exist today. Furthermore, they have rejected the game and moved on and and are now looking for GW2 and other games to break new ground for them. Good luck guys and gals.


SWTOR does appeal to hardcore gamers who are satisfied with incremental innovation in MMOs.  I count myself among this number, and I love the game. BW has added its special touch to MMOs by getting rid of text box quest givers and introduced us to a vibrant, interesting set of story lines that involve us in conversations with the non-player character world. They have made innovations in crafting by getting rid of roaming the lands looking for resources, and other small steps. Kudos BW!

The only thing hardcore about SWtor was the amount of spacebar abuse.
Firstoff, there is no clear line to what is casula or hardcore. But you just go ahead and claim x is hardcore because? Yes why? Because you like no innovation, spin halffinished poor implemented core systems as a pillar for your hardcore playerbase definition?

And where did that rumo pop up, people who like story and don't spend much time love broken content, and poor story execution?

My truth is far simpler.
1. They aimed for Players capable of paying 15$ a month.
2. They wanted all the PVP hardcore players in by creating a huge timesink PVP system with Tiered Armor and Valor grind.
3. They wanted all the PVE Hardcore in with all these story lacking instances, hardmode and Nightmare raids. Tiered Armor and DPS Races, gear checks.
4. They wanted all the story "casuals" who just twink and enjoy the story pve.
5. They wanted all the casuals who do a little pvp, pve, raid but not hardcore.

They F* everyone, kneejerked everyone lied and spined numbers.

1. Raid Focused content paches kneejerk to group 2,4,5.
2. PVP Focused content paches kneejerk group 3,4,5.
3. Legacy disaster kneejerked 2,3,4,5. Because it wasn't good at all and is a money sink not a legacy feature.
4. Companion update HK51 kneejerks groups 2,3.

Group 1 includes groups 2,3,4,5. They all got displeased and lack of content in their fields.
EAware's new spin: Group 6. Free to pay. They will fix it, they are the focus group now!

In short they failed to please everyone by kneejerking all previous groups because they lacked the capability to produce decent content and bug fixes. And making a bug fix a major release pillar (Armor mods) is as good as it get's here.

My Thruth is so simple, buzzing like a bee. If you want to be WOW you'd better deliver the content like wow and in the same quality. You don't do one OR the other and design fail at basics.

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