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Originally posted by Bladestrom
Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/
Noun:
A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Bladestrom
Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/
Noun:
A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

By definition going for 100% completion after hitting level 80 is progression.

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Originally posted by Bladestrom
Then Baph you need stat progression specifically so gw2 is not for you.

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i already know its not for me long term, i still like the game and i am going to play it.

i just know what will happen at lvl 80

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Originally posted by Xzen

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Originally posted by baphamet  

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Originally posted by Bladestrom Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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  pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/ Noun: A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

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By definition going for 100% completion after hitting level 80 is progression.

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how does 100% completion put your character in a more "advanced state"?

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by baphamet

people that play rpg's pr mmorpg's care about progression, its why they play the game.

you guys are so fixated on "stat" progression, i am not saying the game has to be focused around that at end game.

you play the game from level 1-80 with your character advancing in power with each level and then abruptly stops.

there is no endgame progressions, whether it be stats or anything els, just cosmetic.

i don't find that very viable for the health of a game long term.

You don't, however, lots of GW1 players do. You can argue all you want but the facts are the GW1 has sold ~7 million copies while having a mostly cosmetic endgame.

Those numbers are misleading. That is 7 million total copies to include all of the expansions. That doesn't mean individual accounts or active users. That is 7 million boxes over 7 or eight years with a lot of those being three or four boxes on the same account. That isn't to say that it wasn't moderately successful, but not as successful as you make it appear to be. In comparison WoW would have like 70 or 100  million if we used the numbers like you are.

The numbers ultimately don't matter. We can take that 7 million and divide it by 4 (3 campaigns and 1 explansion) and we'll get 1,750,000, which is still a lot of people who enjoyed GW1's mostly cosmetic endgame.

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Xzen

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Originally posted by baphamet  

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Originally posted by Bladestrom Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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  pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/ Noun: A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

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By definition going for 100% completion after hitting level 80 is progression.

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how does 100% completion put your character in a more "advanced state"?

you missed the first sentance of the definition.

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Xzen

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Originally posted by baphamet  

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Originally posted by Bladestrom Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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  pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/ Noun: A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

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By definition going for 100% completion after hitting level 80 is progression.

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how does 100% completion put your character in a more "advanced state"?

Look at the definition of progression. Then destination.

destination - the ultimate goal for which something is done

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Xzen

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Originally posted by baphamet  

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Originally posted by Bladestrom Try defining progression - it is not just about stats, that's a crude and simplistic system. Try looking at eve.

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  pro·gres·sion/pr??greSH?n/ Noun: A movement or development toward a destination or a more advanced state,

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By definition going for 100% completion after hitting level 80 is progression.

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how does 100% completion put your character in a more "advanced state"?

That's only one form of progression.

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Originally posted by Gurpslord

Erm..  
Legendary Weapons
WvWvW
sPvP
Dynamic Events
Traveling to the lands I Didn't go to and do stuff there.
The Combat System itself is a huge draw
Better looking gear (It's only cool to fight if you're fighting with swag mate)
Exploring the maps and try to do map completes
Choreographing my own GW2 musical about ninjas who steal turnips from baby charr who are sick with the Nornish plague.  (I may need help with this one..)

^ wtf LOL

I crossed out the unimportant stuff

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Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by baphamet

people that play rpg's pr mmorpg's care about progression, its why they play the game.

you guys are so fixated on "stat" progression, i am not saying the game has to be focused around that at end game.

you play the game from level 1-80 with your character advancing in power with each level and then abruptly stops.

there is no endgame progressions, whether it be stats or anything els, just cosmetic.

i don't find that very viable for the health of a game long term.

You don't, however, lots of GW1 players do. You can argue all you want but the facts are the GW1 has sold ~7 million copies while having a mostly cosmetic endgame.

Those numbers are misleading. That is 7 million total copies to include all of the expansions. That doesn't mean individual accounts or active users. That is 7 million boxes over 7 or eight years with a lot of those being three or four boxes on the same account. That isn't to say that it wasn't moderately successful, but not as successful as you make it appear to be. In comparison WoW would have like 70 or 100  million if we used the numbers like you are.

The numbers ultimately don't matter. We can take that 7 million and divide it by 4 (3 campaigns and 1 explansion) and we'll get 1,750,000, which is still a lot of people who enjoyed GW1's mostly cosmetic endgame.

and this is a straight up lobby game as well nothing like a full fledged MMO like GW2.. think a lot of people are going to be suprised on how many actually want non carrot on a stick progression in their MMOs

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by baphamet

people that play rpg's pr mmorpg's care about progression, its why they play the game.

you guys are so fixated on "stat" progression, i am not saying the game has to be focused around that at end game.

you play the game from level 1-80 with your character advancing in power with each level and then abruptly stops.

there is no endgame progressions, whether it be stats or anything els, just cosmetic.

i don't find that very viable for the health of a game long term.

You don't, however, lots of GW1 players do. You can argue all you want but the facts are the GW1 has sold ~7 million copies while having a mostly cosmetic endgame.

Those numbers are misleading. That is 7 million total copies to include all of the expansions. That doesn't mean individual accounts or active users. That is 7 million boxes over 7 or eight years with a lot of those being three or four boxes on the same account. That isn't to say that it wasn't moderately successful, but not as successful as you make it appear to be. In comparison WoW would have like 70 or 100  million if we used the numbers like you are.

The numbers ultimately don't matter. We can take that 7 million and divide it by 4 (3 campaigns and 1 explansion) and we'll get 1,750,000, which is still a lot of people who enjoyed GW1's mostly cosmetic endgame.

And how many of those people stayed around? Again you state another number that holds no meaning to your argument. I am sure that not even close to 1.75 million stuck around. 

Originally posted by Cromica
So you might not like it post 80 are we really suppose to care? There will lots of people that love it and lots that don't. I know I will continue to play post 80 because 1. The game is amazing and 2. There are no mmo in development that look any good what so ever.

Well said. :)

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by baphamet

people that play rpg's pr mmorpg's care about progression, its why they play the game.

you guys are so fixated on "stat" progression, i am not saying the game has to be focused around that at end game.

you play the game from level 1-80 with your character advancing in power with each level and then abruptly stops.

there is no endgame progressions, whether it be stats or anything els, just cosmetic.

i don't find that very viable for the health of a game long term.

You don't, however, lots of GW1 players do. You can argue all you want but the facts are the GW1 has sold ~7 million copies while having a mostly cosmetic endgame.

Those numbers are misleading. That is 7 million total copies to include all of the expansions. That doesn't mean individual accounts or active users. That is 7 million boxes over 7 or eight years with a lot of those being three or four boxes on the same account. That isn't to say that it wasn't moderately successful, but not as successful as you make it appear to be. In comparison WoW would have like 70 or 100  million if we used the numbers like you are.

The numbers ultimately don't matter. We can take that 7 million and divide it by 4 (3 campaigns and 1 explansion) and we'll get 1,750,000, which is still a lot of people who enjoyed GW1's mostly cosmetic endgame.

And how many of those people stayed around? Again you state another number that holds no meaning to your argument. I am sure that not even close to 1.75 million stuck around. 

The same can be said about any other game. WoW has 9 million accounts but how many of those accounts are actually playing? I know quite a few people who purchased that 12 month thing to get Diablo III and the mount.

The fact is that GW1 was entertaining enough to sell 7 million copies and sell that many, ArenaNet has to be doing something right.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

and WoW

and (insertyourfavoritegamehere)