Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by TJixlee
it  will effect WoW but now like it will SWTOR RIFT TERA TSW and others. WoW could lose half its player base and still be profitable. no ones going to beatthat titan of a game...... UNLESS blizz makes WoW2 or something lol

Don't think it will affect TSW much at all, If it does it will be positive.  

 

TSW is the anti-WoW/Swtor/Rift/Gw2.

 

I think that if it affects one it will affect them all. They are all the same, themeparks.

Originally posted by Illyssia
I think GW2 launch is going to crucify the Panda expansion and force that company to a free-to-play model.

What about the people that plan on playing both games? 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by TJixlee
it  will effect WoW but now like it will SWTOR RIFT TERA TSW and others. WoW could lose half its player base and still be profitable. no ones going to beatthat titan of a game...... UNLESS blizz makes WoW2 or something lol

Don't think it will affect TSW much at all, If it does it will be positive.  

 

TSW is the anti-WoW/Swtor/Rift/Gw2.

 

Actually TSW has more in common with Swtor and Rift (WoW clones) then GW2 does ...quest hubs, progressive dungeons and after thought pvp is the calling card for WoW clones

Why all the hate? GW2 can take it's place in the MMO ecology and offer more players more choices. The entire point of the way it's designed is so that you can play when you want and stop playing when you want. Anet will be looking at box sales and if they are good, cool. if they aren't so good, no biggie. this is a game that will grow over time. There's no rush, no pressure. The last B2P game I bought gave me 2 years of gaming fun and all without a sub (no blizzard products) and I see GW2 doing the same. 

The only thing that will kill WoW is WoW. 

The only thing that will kill Blizzard is a Titan omnishambles sometime in the future.

Originally posted by Istavaan
WOW lost 1.1 million subs since january i don't care how many subs the game claims to have, losing that many subs within 6 months is a terrible failure on the part of the dev team.

Well it's a good thing ANet doesn't care about subs, now there won't be all these doom and gloomers trolling the game after it fails to hold the attention of more than half it's players since there won't be any scale to measure it's success. Box sales will be way more than players that play for more than a few months.

WoW has the best retention rate of any MMO on the market. It's been years and still has many of it's players. Out of people that actually give the game a fair chance... like play past lvl 10/20 many of them stay. Other companies would kill for WoWs retention rate. Think of things like SWTOR who have lost 4/5 of it's players. Pretty much every sub  MMO since WoW has followed a similar path.

I think pretty much everyone that plays WoW doesn't really care about the sub fee. If anything, WoW players that are interested in GW2 will keep their WoW sub active and play GW2 on the side, or some might cancel for a month or two. They're usually back though.

GW2 will not kill WoW, or even put a dent in it. Pretty tired of people saying these things with every new MMO.

Originally posted by jusomdude

Well it's a good thing ANet doesn't care about subs, now there won't be all these doom and gloomers trolling the game after it fails to hold the attention of more than half it's players since there won't be any scale to measure it's success. Box sales will be way more than players that play for more than a few months.

WoW has the best retention rate of any MMO on the market.

Blizzard is a public company

companies like Turbine and Trion have never given sub counts

RIFT has only given us units sold

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/rift-approaching-the-one-million-sell-through-mark/

and thats something GW2 can compare to

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Istavaan
WOW lost 1.1 million subs since january i don't care how many subs the game claims to have, losing that many subs within 6 months is a terrible failure on the part of the dev team.

Well it's a good thing ANet doesn't care about subs, now there won't be all these doom and gloomers trolling the game after it fails to hold the attention of more than half it's players since there won't be any scale to measure it's success. Box sales will be way more than players that play for more than a few months.

WoW has the best retention rate of any MMO on the market. It's been years and still has many of it's players. Out of people that actually give the game a fair chance... like play past lvl 10/20 many of them stay. Other companies would kill for WoWs retention rate. Think of things like SWTOR who have lost 4/5 of it's players. Pretty much every sub  MMO since WoW has followed a similar path.

I think pretty much everyone that plays WoW doesn't really care about the sub fee. If anything, WoW players that are interested in GW2 will keep their WoW sub active and play GW2 on the side, or some might cancel for a month or two. They're usually back though.

 

GW2 will not kill WoW, or even put a dent in it. Pretty tired of people saying these things with every new MMO.

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

I think it'll be like ToR...a chunk of people will leave then trickle back to WoW.

MoP will come out and loads of people will go back to play it.

No MMO is going to kill WoW,I dunno why people cant understand that.

Don't you shame hyping like that already? I remember people hyping for Star wars the same and i see what happened.

Don't tell me its something diffrent this time only because the beta was a bit longer then in star wars...

Hey look, that thing everyone and their mother claims and writes about thats never true.

Games don't kill other games. They can be added factors but they are NOT the sole reason for decline. If you claim that a game is the cause for a games downfall, your wrong. Its not going to do it.

Originally posted by Baddogbill

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by TJixlee
it  will effect WoW but now like it will SWTOR RIFT TERA TSW and others. WoW could lose half its player base and still be profitable. no ones going to beatthat titan of a game...... UNLESS blizz makes WoW2 or something lol

Don't think it will affect TSW much at all, If it does it will be positive.  

 

TSW is the anti-WoW/Swtor/Rift/Gw2.

 

Actually TSW has more in common with Swtor and Rift (WoW clones) then GW2 does ...quest hubs, progressive dungeons and after thought pvp is the calling card for WoW clones

dear fanboy, and gw2 is diffrent? you run "dynamic quests" mostly story quests and normal quests, 8 doungens to run trough and a few pvp did I forget something? A MMo is a MMo wheres nothing to change on that sorry.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Istavaan
WOW lost 1.1 million subs since january i don't care how many subs the game claims to have, losing that many subs within 6 months is a terrible failure on the part of the dev team.

Well it's a good thing ANet doesn't care about subs, now there won't be all these doom and gloomers trolling the game after it fails to hold the attention of more than half it's players since there won't be any scale to measure it's success. Box sales will be way more than players that play for more than a few months.

WoW has the best retention rate of any MMO on the market. It's been years and still has many of it's players. Out of people that actually give the game a fair chance... like play past lvl 10/20 many of them stay. Other companies would kill for WoWs retention rate. Think of things like SWTOR who have lost 4/5 of it's players. Pretty much every sub  MMO since WoW has followed a similar path.

I think pretty much everyone that plays WoW doesn't really care about the sub fee. If anything, WoW players that are interested in GW2 will keep their WoW sub active and play GW2 on the side, or some might cancel for a month or two. They're usually back though.

 

GW2 will not kill WoW, or even put a dent in it. Pretty tired of people saying these things with every new MMO.

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

It may give WoW a small phase. Sort of like a /poke. Most WoW players who leave for GW2 will be back playing WoW within at most 6 months.

Originally posted by Illyssia
I think GW2 launch is going to crucify the Panda expansion and force that company to a free-to-play model.

Fangurls and their weird way of thinking again...

GW2 won't affect WoW much, more so than any other MMO recently, but that's to be expected.

MMO's compete with each other, the newer one will always take subs from the older ones, but WoW will continue to go strong.

I have a feeling we'll even see WoW's subs climb back to 10-12 million before the years end, even with the launch of the "God Game."

Originally posted by Illyssia
I think GW2 launch is going to crucify the Panda expansion and force that company to a free-to-play model.

I wouldnt go that far but I do forsee WoW losing half its US and EU subscription base by the end of the year.

Originally posted by jusomdude

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

It may give WoW a small phase. Sort of like a /poke. Most WoW players who leave for GW2 will be back playing WoW within at most 6 months.

and you complain about GW2 fans being narrow minded

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jusomdude

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

It may give WoW a small phase. Sort of like a /poke. Most WoW players who leave for GW2 will be back playing WoW within at most 6 months.

and you complain about GW2 fans being narrow minded

I don't see any reason why it's going to be different this time... happens with every new MMO that players claim to be the next messiah.

Let's hear what you think will happen. It's just a shame there won't be any ANet subs so we can see just how powerful the almighty GW2 really is.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Illyssia
I think GW2 launch is going to crucify the Panda expansion and force that company to a free-to-play model.

I wouldnt go that far but I do forsee WoW losing half its US and EU subscription base by the end of the year.

im a gw2 fan but i strongly disagree

Blizzard is a recognized name brand thats been around for 20 years

if theres any impact, it will be minor

I expect GW2 to grow over time, bringing in NEW players, to the mmo gaming space

players that never liked wow or subscribing to mmos

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jusomdude

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

It may give WoW a small phase. Sort of like a /poke. Most WoW players who leave for GW2 will be back playing WoW within at most 6 months.

and you complain about GW2 fans being narrow minded

I don't see any reason why it's going to be different this time... happens with every new MMO that players claim to be the next messiah.

Let's hear what you think will happen.

Another "messiah" comment...

Even if/when people drop out of GW2, I'm just not convinced that WoW will be the place they go back to at this point. I think the traditional "WoW return" is questionable at this point.

Although I still think they'll hit 11 million when Pandaria comes out.

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by jusomdude

Originally posted by Istavaan
WOW lost 1.1 million subs since january i don't care how many subs the game claims to have, losing that many subs within 6 months is a terrible failure on the part of the dev team.

Well it's a good thing ANet doesn't care about subs, now there won't be all these doom and gloomers trolling the game after it fails to hold the attention of more than half it's players since there won't be any scale to measure it's success. Box sales will be way more than players that play for more than a few months.

WoW has the best retention rate of any MMO on the market. It's been years and still has many of it's players. Out of people that actually give the game a fair chance... like play past lvl 10/20 many of them stay. Other companies would kill for WoWs retention rate. Think of things like SWTOR who have lost 4/5 of it's players. Pretty much every sub  MMO since WoW has followed a similar path.

I think pretty much everyone that plays WoW doesn't really care about the sub fee. If anything, WoW players that are interested in GW2 will keep their WoW sub active and play GW2 on the side, or some might cancel for a month or two. They're usually back though.

 

GW2 will not kill WoW, or even put a dent in it. Pretty tired of people saying these things with every new MMO.

if you really believe that you are delusional. Also of course Anet cares about retention. More people stick around more chances they get for people to pay in the cash shop = more money they make and more content they can put out. I don't think any game will kill wow I think over the years it will fizzle out but not anytime soon. But gw2 will put a dent in wow just no clue how big or small that dent will be.

It may give WoW a small phase. Sort of like a /poke. Most WoW players who leave for GW2 will be back playing WoW within at most 6 months.

I quit WoW last year shortly after Cata's debacle.  My entire guild went to Rift (I ended up leaving it) and none of my friends still play WoW.  In fact none of the big name E-Sport WoW Arena Sites are active except for Arena Junkies but that site is is mostly talking about GW2 sPvP.

Face it, WoW is a shell of its former glry and all evidence backs up my claim and none of your hyperbole is even remotely truthful.

Originally posted by jusomdude
 It's just a shame there won't be any ANet subs so we can see just how powerful the almighty GW2 really is.

as i stated before

WOW is one of the *few* longstanding mmos that announces subs

and even WOW has stopped reporting subs regionally for over 4 years  (last reported breakdown was in 2008)

no one knows how many subs WOW *currently* has in US or Euro

RIFT has never given sub counts

LOTRO has never given sub counts

DDO has never given sub counts

EQ2 has never given sub counts

any mmo that makes announcements for XX sold in first month or XX profits made this year, GW2 can compare to