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  Sideras

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8/04/12 10:56:54 AM#161

I don't think Guild Wars 2 will just turn the market share the moment it releases. Alot of WoW players don't really know wtf is going on outside of WoW. Expect alot of word of mouth before Guild Wars 2 actually takes the throne, but I am willing to bet on it happening.

 

  silvermember

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8/04/12 10:58:09 AM#162
Originally posted by WarriorNeeds
Originally posted by Badaboom

Its wrong to compare d3 to gw2. The only thing similar about them is b2p.  D3 was a shallow game that leaves a player chasing shinies. Gw2 is a dynamic alive world in which all content is relevant.  While d3 may have been successful in box sales, it's reputation is tarnished and if d4 comes out you will see drastic reduction in sales. 

That's all opinion and no fact.

I think it's very relevant to compare the two.  Both are B2P; both are online titles; both are similiar in play-style (experience to gain levels, killing opponents in RPG setting, etc). D3's reputation may have suffered after D3's release.  But public opinion wasn't for the most part swayed until after a couple months of release.  You cannot argue how well GW2 will do when no one has had to play it for months on end.

 

Hey why stop at d3. Why dont we compared mass effect 3 to guild wars 2 afterall it is b2p. Why stop at me3 why not battlefield 3 or any console/PC game ever made I mean afterall they are all b2p.

Comparing a game soley by their price model is silly, MMORPG like tto make silly comparisomes so I should really be surprise.

  Badaboom

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8/04/12 10:59:29 AM#163
Originally posted by WarriorNeeds
Originally posted by Badaboom

Its wrong to compare d3 to gw2. The only thing similar about them is b2p.  D3 was a shallow game that leaves a player chasing shinies. Gw2 is a dynamic alive world in which all content is relevant.  While d3 may have been successful in box sales, it's reputation is tarnished and if d4 comes out you will see drastic reduction in sales. 

That's all opinion and no fact.

I think it's very relevant to compare the two.  Both are B2P; both are online titles; both are similiar in play-style (experience to gain levels, killing opponents in RPG setting, etc). D3's reputation may have suffered after D3's release.  But public opinion wasn't for the most part swayed until after a couple months of release.  You cannot argue how well GW2 will do when no one has had to play it for months on end.

 

Of course it is opinion.  Everyone here is just spouting opinion.  I have played both games so I stated my informed opinion. D3 is a lobby game vs gw2 being an mmo.  How & why are you comparing these two games?

  Phry

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8/04/12 10:59:39 AM#164
WoW players will pretty much buy any new expansion sight unseen, the only games to suffer, if you can call it that, are whatever games they were playing instead of or as well as WoW, when MoP releases. Even GW2 may see a fall-off of players, until they have finished the new content in WoW.. its just one of those things, can't stop the juggernaut.
  Gaia_Hunter

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8/04/12 11:01:12 AM#165
Originally posted by Jackdog
I  watched the web traffic during the BWE's for whatever it is worth I did not see any  downward movement in any other major MMO's traffic. Maybe in the long run it might, but I don't expect to see initial release doing much damage. I have been wrong though, guess I will just wait and see


WoW lost 3 million players last 2 years, 1.1 millions last quarter.

The WoW player base is eroding redardless of other games, the question is can WoW recover lost players and/or recruit new players to stop losing subs?

 

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  WarriorNeeds

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Joined: 7/31/12
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8/04/12 11:04:32 AM#166
Originally posted by silvermember

Hey why stop at d3. Why dont we compared mass effect 3 to guild wars 2 afterall it is b2p. Why stop at me3 why not battlefield 3 or any console/PC game ever made I mean afterall they are all b2p.

Comparing a game soley by their price model is silly, MMORPG like tto make silly comparisomes so I should really be surprise.

We can compare those also, if you'd like.  I know many people whom I played MMOs with who left or said they were going to leave their respective online game to play those.  Hell, everyone in the MMO I was always playing talked about how they were going to leave when D3 launched....so I don't see what your problem is with this.

  WarriorNeeds

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8/04/12 11:07:31 AM#167
Originally posted by Badaboom

Of course it is opinion.  Everyone here is just spouting opinion.  I have played both games so I stated my informed opinion. D3 is a lobby game vs gw2 being an mmo.  How & why are you comparing these two games?

I don't think it is out of this world to compare the two.  They are both B2P RPG-type games that people will and have left their respective MMOs to play.  Period.  That's it.

Edit: You responded to a post by someone saying that people will chew through content like they did in D3 and compared it with the potential lasting appeal of GW2.  How is this a ridiculous notion?  Have you played GW2 for months?

  sammandar

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8/04/12 11:07:45 AM#168
Originally posted by Sideras

I don't think Guild Wars 2 will just turn the market share the moment it releases. Alot of WoW players don't really know wtf is going on outside of WoW. Expect alot of word of mouth before Guild Wars 2 actually takes the throne, but I am willing to bet on it happening.

I completely agree. I think GW2 will have good initial sales but the true increase in their playerbase will come 1-6 months after release. Once initial bugs are fixed and word of mouth spreads, I believe more players will be buying GW2. Just my thoughts.

  Nocton

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8/04/12 11:10:02 AM#169
Hopefully, Guild Wars 2 will provide competition to WOW and show other mmo developers that in order to complete with, World of Warcraft. You must try and design a game that is not a copy of WOW.
  Badaboom

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8/04/12 11:20:40 AM#170
Originally posted by WarriorNeeds
Originally posted by Badaboom

Of course it is opinion.  Everyone here is just spouting opinion.  I have played both games so I stated my informed opinion. D3 is a lobby game vs gw2 being an mmo.  How & why are you comparing these two games?

I don't think it is out of this world to compare the two.  They are both B2P RPG-type games that people will and have left their respective MMOs to play.  Period.  That's it.

Edit: You responded to a post by someone saying that people will chew through content like they did in D3 and compared it with the potential lasting appeal of GW2.  How is this a ridiculous notion?  Have you played GW2 for months?

Aside from the DE's, I think that level scaling in GW2 is far and away it's greatest feature. That means that all new pve content release becomes relevant and playable by everyone.  It is stuff like this I feel will keep people playing and exploring longer.  We are kind of getting off topic though. 

WoW has been bleeding subs and I feel that the trend will continue, regardless if gw2 is a success or not. 

  sammandar

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8/04/12 11:22:46 AM#171
Originally posted by Nocton
Hopefully, Guild Wars 2 will provide competition to WOW and show other mmo developers that in order to complete with, World of Warcraft. You must try and design a game that is not a copy of WOW.

Very good point!

I can't speak for others, but as for myself, I'm not looking out for the end of WOW, I just want other gaming copmanies to stop making wow-clones. More than anything, I'm hoping GW2 does well so that I can have a fun game to play and so that other companies start making original games instead of wow-clones.

  MercAngel

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8/04/12 11:23:00 AM#172
Originally posted by Lucioon

People need to understand that WOW can afford to lose over 8 million players before even considering F2P.

Unlike other MMO on the market, WOW doesn't need to fear 1 to 2 million drops in subscriptions.

Over the course of its life, it already recovered all of its investment and its just generating Revenue. Even with 100k subscriptions, it will still be generating Revenue for Acti-Blizzard.

You can't compare WOW to other MMO's decline of Subscription, sure it will take a chunk out of its continous stream of profit and cut down on their funds, but just do some basic calculations and you will find that they have already earn enough to last them for a long while.

Especially with Starcraft IP, Diablo IP, and the upcoming Titan, Blizzard is not a company that will be suffering for a decline of subscription in WOW.

 

 


no if you read the news post WoW does need to fear a 2 million drop in subs Vivendi owns 60% of Blizzard they are trying to find a private buyer now for there 60% if the subs drop to far Vivendi is going to sell it shares on the open market  this will make the stock price of Bilzzard drop if it drops to far Vivendi will dump all of it shares on the open market to cut it's loss this in turn will open Bilzzard up to a takeover by some one else and if one of there competitors take them over what do you think will happen to WoW then.

  KillHurt

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8/04/12 11:23:57 AM#173
WoW will still remain a juggernaut, but GW2 will no doubt take a very big piece of the pie.

  sammandar

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8/04/12 11:25:14 AM#174
Originally posted by MercAngel
Originally posted by Lucioon

People need to understand that WOW can afford to lose over 8 million players before even considering F2P.

Unlike other MMO on the market, WOW doesn't need to fear 1 to 2 million drops in subscriptions.

Over the course of its life, it already recovered all of its investment and its just generating Revenue. Even with 100k subscriptions, it will still be generating Revenue for Acti-Blizzard.

You can't compare WOW to other MMO's decline of Subscription, sure it will take a chunk out of its continous stream of profit and cut down on their funds, but just do some basic calculations and you will find that they have already earn enough to last them for a long while.

Especially with Starcraft IP, Diablo IP, and the upcoming Titan, Blizzard is not a company that will be suffering for a decline of subscription in WOW.


no if you read the news post WoW does need to fear a 2 million drop in subs Vivendi owns 60% of Blizzard they are trying to find a private buyer now for there 60% if the subs drop to far Vivendi is going to sell it shares on the open market  this will make the stock price of Bilzzard drop if it drops to far Vivendi will dump all of it shares on the open market to cut it's loss this in turn will open Bilzzard up to a takeover by some one else and if one of there competitors take them over what do you think will happen to WoW then.

Though I agree with you that Blizzard is in a very delicate situation, I think anyone would have to be mad to trash wow after taking it over. Even if NCSoft were to take over Blizzard, which I think would be awesome, I highly doubt they would seek to dismantle the game.

  sammandar

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8/04/12 11:26:13 AM#175
Originally posted by KillHurt
WoW will still remain a juggernaut, but GW2 will no doubt take a very big piece of the pie.

Agreed. If GW2 plays its hand just right (which so far I think they are) then yes, I think GW2 will take a sizable piece of the pie.

  Nadia

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8/04/12 11:29:52 AM#176

personally what Im expecting to see -- that you do NOT see with recent mmo releases

is GW2 will keep growing at a good pace

 

D3 sold 10 million in 2 months (including the 1.2 million annual pass)

but the bulk of that happened in the first week with 7.5 million sold (including annual pass)

I doubt D3 will sell 20 million before 2013

 

GW2 will be *nothing* like D3 for comparable sales  -- I doubt GW2 will hit 2 million in the first month

but GW2 should have a more consistent continual sale curve than D3

 

I expect GW2 to sell at least 3 million units in the next 4 months before 2013

 

for contrast, it took RIFT 3 months to sell 1 million units

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/rift-approaching-the-one-million-sell-through-mark/

  silvermember

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8/04/12 11:30:05 AM#177
Originally posted by WarriorNeeds
Originally posted by silvermember

Hey why stop at d3. Why dont we compared mass effect 3 to guild wars 2 afterall it is b2p. Why stop at me3 why not battlefield 3 or any console/PC game ever made I mean afterall they are all b2p.

Comparing a game soley by their price model is silly, MMORPG like tto make silly comparisomes so I should really be surprise.

We can compare those also, if you'd like.  I know many people whom I played MMOs with who left or said they were going to leave their respective online game to play those.  Hell, everyone in the MMO I was always playing talked about how they were going to leave when D3 launched....so I don't see what your problem is with this.

What's your point? So there is a  little intersection between D3 and MMORPG but that intersection is generally small enough that it does not warrant a comparisom. 

  Thornz2000

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OP  8/04/12 11:36:50 AM#178
Originally posted by KillHurt
WoW will still remain a juggernaut, but GW2 will no doubt take a very big piece of the pie.


Its not enough to TAKE a piece of pie, GW2 must HOLD onto that piece of pie or make it grow bigger while keeping it.

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  xalvi

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8/04/12 11:39:04 AM#179
Originally posted by Nocton
Hopefully, Guild Wars 2 will provide competition to WOW and show other mmo developers that in order to complete with, World of Warcraft. You must try and design a game that is not a copy of WOW.

Agreed.

But people forget that there are upcoming mmo's that are in current development that are using different combat system and the like. Prob going to be released in couple years from now, but it will come. Until then GW2 here i come.

  MercAngel

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8/04/12 11:52:10 AM#180
Originally posted by sammandar
Originally posted by MercAngel
Originally posted by Lucioon

People need to understand that WOW can afford to lose over 8 million players before even considering F2P.

Unlike other MMO on the market, WOW doesn't need to fear 1 to 2 million drops in subscriptions.

Over the course of its life, it already recovered all of its investment and its just generating Revenue. Even with 100k subscriptions, it will still be generating Revenue for Acti-Blizzard.

You can't compare WOW to other MMO's decline of Subscription, sure it will take a chunk out of its continous stream of profit and cut down on their funds, but just do some basic calculations and you will find that they have already earn enough to last them for a long while.

Especially with Starcraft IP, Diablo IP, and the upcoming Titan, Blizzard is not a company that will be suffering for a decline of subscription in WOW.


no if you read the news post WoW does need to fear a 2 million drop in subs Vivendi owns 60% of Blizzard they are trying to find a private buyer now for there 60% if the subs drop to far Vivendi is going to sell it shares on the open market  this will make the stock price of Bilzzard drop if it drops to far Vivendi will dump all of it shares on the open market to cut it's loss this in turn will open Bilzzard up to a takeover by some one else and if one of there competitors take them over what do you think will happen to WoW then.

Though I agree with you that Blizzard is in a very delicate situation, I think anyone would have to be mad to trash wow after taking it over. Even if NCSoft were to take over Blizzard, which I think would be awesome, I highly doubt they would seek to dismantle the game.


true but if some one else does take over they are go to look at why the number fell off and how much  time and cost is it going to take to fix it. if that number is grater then what they will make off it thye may shut it down or change it to B2P so they can may money off box and added on's. but in the end WoW will be change for ever.

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