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  Corvusco

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8/04/12 5:35:42 AM#41
I didn't play it when it was P2P, won't play it when it will be F2P.
  gervaise1

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8/04/12 6:37:15 AM#42

50 million accounts - a stretch; game will need a big relaunch and lots of advertising money.

50 millionunique users - even bigger stretch

50 million paying customers - yeah right.

 

I wonder what MP's take on  Zynga is.

  User Deleted
8/04/12 6:41:44 AM#43
I think that EA people are listening to Pachter instead of gamers.  If the sub model was the problem, they wouldn't have even sold the boxes.  As if a 1M+ people looked at their wallets and said, "gosh darnit, I dont have $15 bucks ... sorry swtor."  That's not why they left.
  jpnz

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8/04/12 6:50:23 AM#44
Originally posted by GrumpyCharr
I think that EA people are listening to Pachter instead of gamers.  If the sub model was the problem, they wouldn't have even sold the boxes.  As if a 1M+ people looked at their wallets and said, "gosh darnit, I dont have $15 bucks ... sorry swtor."  That's not why they left.

F2P is 'the future' as historically it earns more money than the sub model.

Most game that went F2P from Sub-based increased its profits.

DDO, LOTRO, AoC, Aion are just some of the examples.

 

I don't get the Pachter hate though, as he is one of the most accurate analyst in the gaming field right now.

Does he get everything right? Course not, he doesn't have a crystal ball.

But his logic and reasoning on his forecasts are all sound.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  jpnz

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8/04/12 6:59:28 AM#45
Originally posted by BlackestNite
Originally posted by GrumpyCharr
I think that EA people are listening to Pachter instead of gamers.  If the sub model was the problem, they wouldn't have even sold the boxes.  As if a 1M+ people looked at their wallets and said, "gosh darnit, I dont have $15 bucks ... sorry swtor."  That's not why they left.

more like EA people are feeding patcher positive spin. look back ont the history of swtor financial spin. all from patcher.

This post is factually false.

Patcher is an analyst and therefore his personal interest / bias has to be declared to avoid conflict of interests.

He goes off on factual numbers and makes conclusions from those. Therefore it isn't 'spin'.

Whether you agree with his conclusions or not is irrelevant.

He was more negative on SWTOR compared to other analysts btw. Then again, you do have to be involved in the financial field to know that since mainstream gaming media usually don't cover the other guys.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Nadia

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8/04/12 7:20:38 AM#46
Originally posted by Xiaoki

So, within 1 year of SW:TOR going Free to play Pachter could be right about 10 million people. Its just that those 10 million wont be all be playing at the same time or even be 10 million unique people.

they dont mean active players -- what they really mean are registered accounts

and 10 million is very possible

 

example: Free Realms

 

first month of launch SOE announced 2 million accounts

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/free-realms-hits-over-2-million-users

a year later, SOE announced 8 million accounts

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/02/08/free-realms-reaches-8-million-registered-accounts-nominated-in/

  PieRad

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8/04/12 7:28:54 AM#47
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Xiaoki

So, within 1 year of SW:TOR going Free to play Pachter could be right about 10 million people. Its just that those 10 million wont be all be playing at the same time or even be 10 million unique people.

they dont really mean players -- what they really mean are accounts

and 10 million is very possible

 

example: Free Realms

 

first month of launch SOE announced 2 million accounts

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/free-realms-hits-over-2-million-users

a year later, SOE announced 8 million accounts

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/02/08/free-realms-reaches-8-million-registered-accounts-nominated-in/

So it's kinda like units sold?...

If we look away from the all the money coming in from subs( also regardless of sub numbers), selling 50 million copies over the course of years is probably hard, but I think doable for some, if it's doable for SWTOR? who knows, but knowing how many Star Wars fans that are out there, and also the fact that there is no other star wars mmo out there, might help them achieve it.

All those fans might not stay in the game, but are likely to atleast buy the game and try it.

 

 

Edit: Oh ye, and the f2p coming up, then making an account will be free, and some people having multiple accounts, 50 million accounts is very possible then (in total, not active).

 

  Benthon

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Even if you can't hear me, you're still wrong.

8/04/12 10:46:26 AM#48
Lol, what a joke article.

He who keeps his cool best wins.

  MosesZD

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8/04/12 3:49:00 PM#49
Originally posted by Teala

this guy must be the worst analyst ever in the history of anything related to being an analyst.   He still doesn't get it.  Good games attract players and they will play the game - bad games - even free to play bad games do not attract players.   Anyway, this analyst from Wedbush Securities Michael Pachter(someone I have written about in my blog before) is now saying that SWTOR going free to play will bring in - get this 10 million players!  He goes further and claims that SWTOR might have 50 million people playing it in a couple of years!  50 million!

They could get that many people playing with free game weekends and they can't get people to come back with the offer of free game time and he thinks that a game going free to play(and not a very good f2p option to boot) is going to bring in upwards of 50 million people?!  Seriously?

This guy is off his rocker.   Read it here!  <<<<

 

Fifty million?  What did he do, roll a d100 and multiply by 1 million?    Because otherwise it sounds like some crack-brained idea.   Nexon, one of the biggest F2P companies in the world with 39 active F2P MMOs and at least 5 more in beta, and they have just 82.5 million active accounts world-wide with 9 million paying customers. 

 

And tons of them are dupes and bots.

  MosesZD

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8/04/12 3:53:52 PM#50
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Maple Story had 100 million people a couple years ago.


Well, 100 million accounts were made.


So, within 1 year of SW:TOR going Free to play Pachter could be right about 10 million people. Its just that those 10 million wont be all be playing at the same time or even be 10 million unique people.

 

90 million bots and dupes...   

  omidus

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Posts: 93

8/04/12 3:59:14 PM#51
Originally posted by Teala

this guy must be the worst analyst ever in the history of anything related to being an analyst.   He still doesn't get it.  Good games attract players and they will play the game - bad games - even free to play bad games do not attract players.   Anyway, this analyst from Wedbush Securities Michael Pachter(someone I have written about in my blog before) is now saying that SWTOR going free to play will bring in - get this 10 million players!  He goes further and claims that SWTOR might have 50 million people playing it in a couple of years!  50 million!

They could get that many people playing with free game weekends and they can't get people to come back with the offer of free game time and he thinks that a game going free to play(and not a very good f2p option to boot) is going to bring in upwards of 50 million people?!  Seriously?

This guy is off his rocker.   Read it here!  <<<<


This thread is laughable to say the least.

  User Deleted
8/04/12 7:43:32 PM#52
Originally posted by omidus
Originally posted by Teala

this guy must be the worst analyst ever in the history of anything related to being an analyst.   He still doesn't get it.  Good games attract players and they will play the game - bad games - even free to play bad games do not attract players.   Anyway, this analyst from Wedbush Securities Michael Pachter(someone I have written about in my blog before) is now saying that SWTOR going free to play will bring in - get this 10 million players!  He goes further and claims that SWTOR might have 50 million people playing it in a couple of years!  50 million!

They could get that many people playing with free game weekends and they can't get people to come back with the offer of free game time and he thinks that a game going free to play(and not a very good f2p option to boot) is going to bring in upwards of 50 million people?!  Seriously?

This guy is off his rocker.   Read it here!  <<<<


This thread is laughable to say the least.

 

She is a spotlight poster and you are not... U mad bro?

  rdrpappy

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Posts: 337

8/04/12 7:52:59 PM#53

This is important, all these crazy people saying things that are clearly wrong, everyone needs to be concerned and blog about it.

Call me lazy but I dont care who else plays the game, one person or everyone, if it closed tomorrow I feel like I got my value out of it.

Pick a game you like then go to the forum for that game and post about it's merits.

Nah just keep going on about games you dont play in other forums and venues.

  TruthXHurts

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8/04/12 8:08:28 PM#54
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Xiaoki

So, within 1 year of SW:TOR going Free to play Pachter could be right about 10 million people. Its just that those 10 million wont be all be playing at the same time or even be 10 million unique people.

they dont really mean players -- what they really mean are accounts

and 10 million is very possible

 

example: Free Realms

 

first month of launch SOE announced 2 million accounts

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/free-realms-hits-over-2-million-users

a year later, SOE announced 8 million accounts

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/02/08/free-realms-reaches-8-million-registered-accounts-nominated-in/

So it's kinda like units sold?...

If we look away from the all the money coming in from subs( also regardless of sub numbers), selling 50 million copies over the course of years is probably hard, but I think doable for some, if it's doable for SWTOR? who knows, but knowing how many Star Wars fans that are out there, and also the fact that there is no other star wars mmo out there, might help them achieve it.

All those fans might not stay in the game, but are likely to atleast buy the game and try it.

 

 

Edit: Oh ye, and the f2p coming up, then making an account will be free, and some people having multiple accounts, 50 million accounts is very possible then (in total, not active).

 

It's more like the person giving out free pizza roll samples reporting back to the company that every person who tastes one is a customer.

"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  k-damage

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8/05/12 4:55:45 AM#55

lol, investor's kool aid at its top. Good thing it's becoming viral, so they could learn some kind of lesson about stopping to listen only to numbers & analysts, instead of gamers feedback.

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  ste2000

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8/05/12 5:01:19 AM#56
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by ste2000
 

 

Accounts doesn't mean players. LoL is a very specific game and very good at what it does, SWTOR is very generic and pretty shallow, so I doubt it could even get close to LOL in terms of account, let alone active players. I insist, that guy doesn't have a clue

For a guy that 'doesn't have a clue' he sure earns a lot. :P

As with all analysts, you can disagree with how he got his numbers but you can't dispute the factual numbers that made him get his.

It is like a math equation, factually the numbers are 1,2,4. In Patcher's case, he did 1+2+4 = 7 while some might do 1*2*4 = 8 or 4-2-1 = 1

 

Bank managers earn Millions more than he does, yet they haven't got a clue how to manage a Bank, since they are all bailed out by National Governments.

Earning are not always the right parameter to judge someones competence.

 

His numbers are so pathetically superficial, anyone in this forum could come up with stuff like that.

But that's not a professional way to do business/financial analysis

There is only a number he had to take into consideration (which he didn't)

This is the number of Online Players who spend money either on a subscription or on Real Money Transactions Online.

If my 5 years old nephew opens an account on LOTRO, he should not be included in the equation, because he is not a potential paying customer.

Putting it into the mix of the analysis, twist the outcome of it, and make the business looks better than it is ,by adding useless number which won't bring any extra profit (inflating numbers).

 

So 50 Millions account prediction means nothing in term of bussiness terms, because even if that happens (and I doubt that) those are cumulative numbers, which means that if I open an account tomorrow, but never play the game, my account will stay on the records forever and it will count on those 50 Millions, but that doesn't tell you how many players are actually spending money on the game.

Runescape has 200 Million accounts, yet I will be surprised if the game has more than 200K active paying customers.

Investors are not interested in those 199.800.000, but in the others 200K, any other number is fluff used to spin the business and make it look better than it is.

So Pachter is an overated analyst, but a good Spin Doctor, that's why probably he earn that kind of money

  BoganTemplar

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8/05/12 5:32:01 AM#57
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by ste2000
 

 

Accounts doesn't mean players. LoL is a very specific game and very good at what it does, SWTOR is very generic and pretty shallow, so I doubt it could even get close to LOL in terms of account, let alone active players. I insist, that guy doesn't have a clue

For a guy that 'doesn't have a clue' he sure earns a lot. :P

As with all analysts, you can disagree with how he got his numbers but you can't dispute the factual numbers that made him get his.

It is like a math equation, factually the numbers are 1,2,4. In Patcher's case, he did 1+2+4 = 7 while some might do 1*2*4 = 8 or 4-2-1 = 1

 

Bank managers earn Millions more than he does, yet they haven't got a clue how to manage a Bank, since they are all bailed out by National Governments.

Earning are not always the right parameter to judge someones competence.

 

His numbers are so pathetically superficial, anyone in this forum could come up with stuff like that.

But that's not a professional way to do business/financial analysis

There is only a number he had to take into consideration (which he didn't)

This is the number of Online Players who spend money either on a subscription or on Real Money Transactions Online.

If my 5 years old nephew opens an account on LOTRO, he should not be included in the equation, because he is not a potential paying customer.

Putting it into the mix of the analysis, twist the outcome of it, and make the business looks better than it is ,by adding useless number which won't bring any extra profit (inflating numbers).

 

So 50 Millions account prediction means nothing in term of bussiness terms, because even if that happens (and I doubt that) those are cumulative numbers, which means that if I open an account tomorrow, but never play the game, my account will stay on the records forever and it will count on those 50 Millions, but that doesn't tell you how many players are actually spending money on the game.

Runescape has 200 Million accounts, yet I will be surprised if the game has more than 200K active paying customers.

Investors are not interested in those 199.800.000, but in the others 200K, any other number is fluff used to spin the business and make it look better than it is.

So Pachter is an overated analyst, but a good Spin Doctor, that's why probably he earn that kind of money

So you want him to break down bracket by bracket for you the different teirs of accounts, between ones that will be entirely inactive, and ones that may pay 10 dollars every few months in a cash shop, full time subscribers etc.

An account is a potential paying customer, you cant quantify it beyond that because you cant predict what an individual person is going to do. I work in the wagering industry, I deal directly with peoples wagering accounts and we break them down by tier, bronze, siver, gold, platinum and this is directly related to the amount of money they invest in a financial year. I dont even normally look at an account seriously unless they spend the 25,000 a year or more to reach the silver status, but everyone else must still be considered. You cant disregard someone who may not have used their account in 2 years because their situation may have changed, they may have a different job, have gotten a divorce, their kids have grown up and moved out of the house, thousands of impulses pull a person this way and that every day, any number of which may lead them straight back to you and spending their money with you.

You couldnt be more wrong on which number is the important number to be looking at in regards to an account based business model. Your current amount of paying customers is the easy part, and there is little analysis to do beyond the accounting side of things which is how much money they're spending. The important thing to look at when looking at an account is "have they spent money with me before". Because once you've gotten someone to do something once, you have them. Thats the beauty of the free to play model, you can retain those customers more easily. The players may vanish entirely, poof. But if you look at them and see they've spent money before, thats still a worthwhile account, because they've already set the precedent.

FTP MMO's didnt freakin invent this model.  

And how easy is it to spend $5 on a cash shop, even if youre not entirely crazy about a game? Thats why SOE offers the silver option in EQ2 for a one off payment of around 5 bucks, as bad as SOE is they do occasionally get a good idea.

  Wicoa

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8/05/12 5:35:17 AM#58
He must be married to the CEO of EAs sister.
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8/05/12 5:40:45 AM#59

Damn good comedy!

He made me laugh...like...totally!

  Omnifish

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I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint!

8/05/12 5:42:24 AM#60

I believe this comment from the article sums it up best:

 

'Apparently Wedbush Securities allows it's employees to smoke crack on the job.'

 

He could mean that 10million may try and possibly sub a month or two for the game.  If he does mean consistent subs then that estimate is just off it's rocker.  The fundamental flaws in the design approach will just end up with people leaving after a few months at best.

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

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