I would pay for a subscription to GW2....

but for sure having the game without sub just burst longevity....

I mean had Guild Wars 1 installed in all my Pcs over 6 years......

That wouldn´t have happened if having a sub....

So Yes i would pay a sub to play GW2 because it´s awesome,

but in its BTP model lies the key of their incoming sucess over the next years.

I have running subs still in few games I would mind subbing, because lot of my friends play different things, so like them I have subs for what ever they play and they have it for what ever I play.

Thank god for Anet because it made my job that much easier to get my friends into the game, not like it would hvae mattered but it was just icing, jsut buy and play.

when i first started the original guild wars no after all this time and factions,nightfall and eye of the north i figure what the hell why break with tradition so now probably. 

that being said my cousin would bug me til i died if i didnt soo yea either way lol

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

With all the buzz about SW:TOR going F2P and them saying the #1 reason (according to their exit poll) was because it was a subscription model, people are making all kinds of assumptions about the P2P business model. For me, SW:TOR just was not a deep enough, or good enough a game to warrant a sub. With all the excitement going on about GW2, I am curious how good a game it is and how deep it runs.

Let's play make believe for a moment.
If Arenanet decided to go with a sub model, would you still play GW2 when it comes out? Do you think the game is good enough to warrant a subscription? Or would the sub have you running away from the game, lickity-split?

Would the sub be the only basis for you to play or not, or would you look deeply into the game and have a few different factors help you decide.

Remember, this is just make believe here, so don't go too overboard with your reactions :)

The MMO market is changing. Games are not worth 15 bucks a month. I have been MMOing for 14 years and seen every change this industry has taken. The big one was 15 bucks a month was needed to cover server costs and now they are just a footnote in a quarterly meeting because it’s not really worth talking about. MMOs used to be designed from the ground up, now they are made with game engines, that cost money, but lower the production costs a lot and save time.

So where is our 15 bucks a month being used for? 500-1000% profit? DDO has proved that a fair cash shop can make lots of money and win lots of customers. GW1 made it’s with a B2P model that did not have a pay to win cash shop. In this current market and the changes to the MMO industry. 

I would pay a sub fee for GW2, its worth it but no MMO is worth 15 bucks a month. First game to make it big being fair about the prices and the whole MMO market will be forced to change. I Hope GW2 has millions of players and their cash shops brings in about an average of 4-6 bucks a months per player (thats a lot of cash) Thats what I think is a fair sub, 4-6 bucks a month, no more. But I am forced to pay more because everyone is. We need to vote with our wallets if we want this to change.

 

I'm willing to bet that they expect far more than $15 per month per active player with the Gem Store and the ability to convert gems to in-game currency.  For as much good will as the players have given ArenaNet, it's still a company that reports to investors.  Investors make sure the accountants (or the "monetization department") have adequate pull to represent thier only real interest ($).  If they thought they could have made more money with a $15 per month sub model, they would have gone that way.

Or ANet would have told the investors to go fuck themselves.  ANet has thus far to me proven that they will stand by their ideals and philosophies.  They were formed based on a philosophy and seem to be uncompromising and are very community/fan focused.  Never have I seen commitment to it's fans like ANet. 

It's not like there are any shortage of investors anyways for GW2.

Anet isn't an independent company, they are owned by NCSOFT.  They can't exactly tell their owners, who are a publicly traided company expecting profits to go f-themselves.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

With all the buzz about SW:TOR going F2P and them saying the #1 reason (according to their exit poll) was because it was a subscription model, people are making all kinds of assumptions about the P2P business model. For me, SW:TOR just was not a deep enough, or good enough a game to warrant a sub. With all the excitement going on about GW2, I am curious how good a game it is and how deep it runs.

Let's play make believe for a moment.
If Arenanet decided to go with a sub model, would you still play GW2 when it comes out? Do you think the game is good enough to warrant a subscription? Or would the sub have you running away from the game, lickity-split?

Would the sub be the only basis for you to play or not, or would you look deeply into the game and have a few different factors help you decide.

Remember, this is just make believe here, so don't go too overboard with your reactions :)

The MMO market is changing. Games are not worth 15 bucks a month. I have been MMOing for 14 years and seen every change this industry has taken. The big one was 15 bucks a month was needed to cover server costs and now they are just a footnote in a quarterly meeting because it’s not really worth talking about. MMOs used to be designed from the ground up, now they are made with game engines, that cost money, but lower the production costs a lot and save time.

So where is our 15 bucks a month being used for? 500-1000% profit? DDO has proved that a fair cash shop can make lots of money and win lots of customers. GW1 made it’s with a B2P model that did not have a pay to win cash shop. In this current market and the changes to the MMO industry. 

I would pay a sub fee for GW2, its worth it but no MMO is worth 15 bucks a month. First game to make it big being fair about the prices and the whole MMO market will be forced to change. I Hope GW2 has millions of players and their cash shops brings in about an average of 4-6 bucks a months per player (thats a lot of cash) Thats what I think is a fair sub, 4-6 bucks a month, no more. But I am forced to pay more because everyone is. We need to vote with our wallets if we want this to change.

 

I'm willing to bet that they expect far more than $15 per month per active player with the Gem Store and the ability to convert gems to in-game currency.  For as much good will as the players have given ArenaNet, it's still a company that reports to investors.  Investors make sure the accountants (or the "monetization department") have adequate pull to represent thier only real interest ($).  If they thought they could have made more money with a $15 per month sub model, they would have gone that way.

Or ANet would have told the investors to go fuck themselves.  ANet has thus far to me proven that they will stand by their ideals and philosophies.  They were formed based on a philosophy and seem to be uncompromising and are very community/fan focused.  Never have I seen commitment to it's fans like ANet. 

It's not like there are any shortage of investors anyways for GW2.

Anet isn't an independent company, they are owned by NCSOFT.  They can't exactly tell their owners, who are a publicly traided company expecting profits to go f-themselves.

I think Ncsoft has shown that they BELIEVE in Arenanet.

Arenanet themselves have thank Ncsoft in media for letting them do without any pressure...

I´m not a Ncsoft fan specially after my experience with Aion....but "to the caesar is own".

How long will this trust last? No one knows....but i do also believe in Arenanet.

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

With all the buzz about SW:TOR going F2P and them saying the #1 reason (according to their exit poll) was because it was a subscription model, people are making all kinds of assumptions about the P2P business model. For me, SW:TOR just was not a deep enough, or good enough a game to warrant a sub. With all the excitement going on about GW2, I am curious how good a game it is and how deep it runs.

Let's play make believe for a moment.
If Arenanet decided to go with a sub model, would you still play GW2 when it comes out? Do you think the game is good enough to warrant a subscription? Or would the sub have you running away from the game, lickity-split?

Would the sub be the only basis for you to play or not, or would you look deeply into the game and have a few different factors help you decide.

Remember, this is just make believe here, so don't go too overboard with your reactions :)

Before the beta, I would have said no, but after playing the beta, I think I would pay a sub to play GW2.

Originally posted by rykim86
Would rather pay for GW2 than cable.

hahahaha... yes, I agree... same here

I'm not a fan of the subscription model. I think it's outdated and is being used simply because players expect a subscription fee from a AAA MMO and the publishers aren't going to say no to free money.

With that being said, GW2 is one out of a few games I would pay a subscription fee for. It's obvious that ArenaNet has put their heart and soul into the game. It's not just a way to make money for them, they really are passionate about GW2 and it shows.

Originally posted by heartless

I'm not a fan of the subscription model. I think it's outdated and is being used simply because players expect a subscription fee from a AAA MMO and the publishers aren't going to say no to free money.

With that being said, GW2 is one out of a few games I would pay a subscription fee for. It's obvious that ArenaNet has put their heart and soul into the game. It's not just a way to make money for them, they really are passionate about GW2 and it shows.

nailed it!  :)

Originally posted by aslan132

In all honesty, no. There isnt a single game out right now, or even being developed (Archage, TESO, etc) that warrant a subscription. Is GW2 a great game, hell yes. But could it live on a sub, no. But thank god Anet arent stupid *cough*EA*cough*Funcom* 

 

Games that currently have sub models still use a cash shop. Its all about the money, and money is in microtransactions. Like it or not F2P is just the way it is right now. Hopefully we will see alot more B2P like GW/GW2.

 

With all the AAA titles that are available right now, people just dont see a need anymore for a subscription. Sure theres still people that like the idea of paying a monthly sub for complete access, but like i said, even with monthly subs theres still a cash shop (cosmetics, appearances, costumes, boosts, etc). If the best game cost you over $180 a year (15x12) plus the box, plus any cash shop costs, but you can play the second best game in the world for free, and only spend what you want in the cash shop, why on earth would you pay for it?

 

F2P is catching on. Even companies that were solely subs at one time (SOE) are recognizing the shift. Players need to shift too. Instead of asking for more subscriptions we need to start the push to B2P. Thats the only thing that can get the industry off of F2P right now.

Your operating from the false belief that spending that same 180 dollars on that F2P game that you love will buy you everything you need to make your character the most powerfull it can possibly be.

You and I both know that it would not be possible, that number would be upwards of 1000 dollars per year for a pure F2P game.

So why are you and people like you so accepting of this trend?

Your love of F2P games is based on being able to play a half assed character for free, ohh joy.

I think for a game to thrive or even survive in this market with only a sub option, the game would have to be 10X better than anything on the market.

The problem I think for ToR, was that there are too many other games of similar quality in a f2p model.

To me it isn't that ToR is substantially WORSE than other mmos, it is that its NO BETTER than the f2p options out there.

My wife and I have our joint account, and I have my "My Account".  My Account is for everything from beer to fishing gear to, yes, video games.  I have money in My Account, so I'd pay the sub.  As long as I'm still having fun, I'll pay the sub.  In this case, I don't have to.  Even better.

Now who wants to go fishin' til the 25th?

Having a subscription based payment model does not make a game "better", as evidenced by ... well, the past 5 years.

Having said that, I'd probably fork over the money.  I'm against subs, but I gave Blizzard a lot of $$$ over the years and looking back they barely deserved half of it.  ANet deserves all the money they're getting and more for trying something new.

Originally posted by otinanai123
No. I would only pay for a 10/10 game and GW2 is only a 7.5/10 IMO.

is there a 10/10 MMO to you?