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8/02/12 6:05:39 AM#61
Originally posted by travamars Simply put, Trav? The forums are not my area of expertise. I run content. Mike runs moderation. And his word there is law. But if you have a question about why you were banned, I do know he'll gladly tell you. Just shoot him a PM. And no, we do NOT get paid hype games. We get paid to present information and offer our opinions. Sometimes that will stir hype, and other times it will deflate it. Any real hype that surrounds a game comes from not just our writing, but the entirety of the internet. Journalists, pundits, and bloggers? We're not the only reason GW2 has a high hype score here. In fact, it was hovering at the near 9 mark before anyone played it or started reporting on it here. Just a thought. And lastly? If we're excited about a game, of course we're going to tell you we are. I'm not going to "pretend" not to like something just so I don't "influence" you. We'll write as much detail about a game as we can, but we're also going to offer our opinions with it. It's just how it's done. |
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8/02/12 6:07:17 AM#62
Originally posted by Gorilla I'll forward this to Evan and Meddle for looking into. As far as I know, the new design will leave a lot of the forums intact, with a facelift. So maybe they can look at this in the meantime. |
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8/02/12 7:04:33 AM#63
Thanks, no doubt that more and more are using mobiles. Tapatalk would be cool too...it's the premiere forum app for mobile devices.
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Originally posted by VirgoThree No, he probably wasn't banned for his attitude or anything like that. I know people who get banned for just stating their opinions . I've gotten warned for really tiny stuff. This site is just stricter than others when it comes to any negativity. It doesn't stop me from posting though. Smile |
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8/02/12 12:12:56 PM#65
Originally posted by LachyFTW And on top of that, none of that changes the almost universally positive groupthink exercised by the writers/editors here. It is a fact that in the 80+ TOR columns/features/articles/"news stories" all but one were openly praising and/or promoting the game. Mostly while over emphacizing/over valuing the "positive aspects" of this game while ignoring the negative aspects. And from more than 6 authors? All from the fastest tanking MMO in history, you think maybe, there was something wrong in there to cause that? And almost without exception, the article/column/feature/news story authors missed or ignored the factors causing that? That is not "opinion" or coincidence, that is POLICY.
Feel free to check the articles, they are all on here.
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8/02/12 1:19:42 PM#66
Originally posted by busdriver
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8/03/12 12:54:21 PM#67
Might as well add my view on the site and how it's run. I have recently removed my bookmark to the MMORPG homepage and put a bookmark to the General Discussions forum instead. To me, the homepage is so diluted and filled with things I don't care about that I'm no longer looking at it. Instead, I go to the News sections in the General Discussion forum so now and then and scan the thread titles whether anything catches my attention. I have to admit that I read another site (Massively in case you want to know) more frequently now for news about MMORPGs. I find the other site much clearer to navigate, much more focused on news about MMORPGs and find the advertising there less obtrusive. I'm usually in the habit to disable Adblock on sites I visit frequently and had done that for MMORPG.com as well, I'm aware that it costs money to run the sites and to pay the salaries. Thus me watching ads is kinda necessary to keep the sites financed. No problem. However, I've put MMORPG on Adblock some time ago, it's just too much for me to read a forum while I have four Flash ads throwing "Buy Now!!!" buttons at me - at times it feels like watching ads on 4 TV screens simultaniously. (FYI - I have Adblock disabled on that other site I mentioned.) More on topic than the above general remarks: I'm aware that it's difficult to keep a good balance. But I also consider MMORPG.com rather unbalanced. To me it's clear that MMORPG.com has the tendency to promote the industry and their products by joining their hype, noise and excitement - a hype, noise and excitement that is laughable at times. It wouldn't be as bad if there were more opposing viewpoints - but on MMORPG.com there are precious little. MMORPG.com certainly doesn't have a critical view on the industry, far from that in my personal opinion. I don't know whether that's a necessary policy to get information, interview opportunities and ad revenue from the studios and publishers - that's outside my area of knowledge. But personally I would certainly appreciate a more balanced and critical approach to the gaming industry and their products.
I maintain this List of Sandbox MMORPGs. Please post or send PM for corrections and suggestions. |
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8/03/12 3:15:12 PM#68
Originally posted by Gorilla
Michael "MikeB" Bitton |
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8/03/12 3:19:26 PM#69
Originally posted by Razeekster
I've stated this countless times before, but we're not interested in making the lives of regular posters miserable with our ROC. The harshest punishments come to those who are looking to cause nothing but grief and add toxicity to the community. If you have some momentary lapse of judgment here and there and say something to someone else that you probably shouldn't, your account isn't likely to be in any jeopardy. Anyways, this thread is about editorial, not moderation policy. Michael "MikeB" Bitton |
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8/04/12 1:55:54 AM#70
Originally posted by Zippy
The sites like this one, that hype up and do literally dozens of overly positive articles about games with significant faults (that are magically overlooked) or that are simply mediocre, are to blame along with the game companies that put them out. These sites help create the hype, that is not warranted, and then people buy these games, sometimes depending on site "official" reviews and then are disappointed or angry when the games are crap/incomplete/same old thing and all of that is NOT mentioned the previews/features/reviews/whatever else they want to call it. A review with no objectivity is worthless. A review site with no objective reviews is likewise, worthless.
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8/04/12 2:33:42 AM#71
Originally posted by BillMurphy
Thanks! Fixed. Now all we need is support for mobile apps (tapatalk being the leader).
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8/04/12 2:50:31 AM#72
Originally posted by Razeekster
The writers at this site only hype the expansion and mounted combat. They are so concerned with selling advertiser space that they are afraid to rail against developers or stand up for the actual players. It's rather pathetic. |
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8/04/12 2:52:26 AM#73
Originally posted by Theocritus
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8/04/12 2:54:50 AM#74
Originally posted by iamflymolo LOTRO was quickly dying when they announced F2P. They released a half ass expansion in SoM and were quickly losing susbcribers. LOTRO was not going gangbusters when they went F2P. They were on a major downward spiral due to Turbine cutting way back on content and updates. |
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Originally posted by FrodoFragins Does anyone remember the F2P trailer? You'd think a game that had Warner Bros. at their disposal would be able to hire some better actors... Of course the trailer for Riders of Rohan expansion had even worse acting. Also to those talking about objectivity, apparently from what I've summarized from the comments from some of the writers, objectivity is not their goal. They have the ones who really like a game write about it (it's bad if you want a review that highlights the bads objectively, but I guess that's the way they do it here). If you want user scores all you can really do is check http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic On the right there you can see the user score for SW:TOR is 5.6. compared to their 8.7 rating. Of course user rating on here is also 7.2 so I'm note quite sure how that works.
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8/04/12 9:19:25 PM#76
I enjoy reading the articles on this site as they are usually entertaining and provoke decent discussions. I don't mind that the site I am visiting is mmorpg.COM and not mmorpg.ORG. Being subjected to four advetisements on every page view, is not ideal- but I'm not paying a subscription or donating, so whatever pays the bills. What I began to find absolutely revolting about the "official reviews" I am now starting to regard as responsible journalism.
It had reached the point where I was on the verge of creating a thread titled "Credibility, Integrity, Game Reviews, and Ad Revenues". I had done some limited research on the subject, Reviewers vs. Advertisers, and Bad Reviews & Being Nice. I remembered a poll asking the question "What is your favorite feature on MMORPG.com?", and the results made it clear without a doubt that the main attraction of this site for viewers are the Reviews (14180 participants voted). That certainly was the case for myself when I first came here looking for a new game to play.
I hadn't been motivated to post in the forums here until reading the mmorpg.com "official review" of Darkfall, linked in the Aventurine official forums. The game had its flaws- yet, it was palatable to the niche audience that had been seeking such an offering and enjoying the game for over 2 years. I compared my in-game experiences to the review and realized the staff here write to the mainstream casual audience, as mainstream causual gamers (not experienced gamers writing for the eyes of other experienced gaming consumers). In Sean Bulger's Darkfall review he mentions one of the cons as "little content". Let that sink in for a minute, reaming a sandbox game for not being themepark enough. A game that lasted me 2 years with one of the slowest developers at the helm has "little content" but here we are in 2012 and I read about the great longevity of TSW after reaching the end and growing sick of the grind after only two weeks. This same author's review of Aion does not mention the word "grind" in the cons list (the main reason I quit that game at release). Of course this was before Bill took the reins as ME- and the reviews since then have become more subjectively balanced, but still lack the objectivity I would expect from journalists being paid to examine a product. I encourage the staff of this site to analyze the mission statement from Consumer Reports, an organization providing reviews with the consumers best interests in mind. "Consumer Reports (CR) is an expert, independent, nonprofit organization whose mission is to work for a fair, just, and safe marketplace for all consumers and to empower consumers to protect themselves. The organization was founded in 1936 when advertising first flooded the mass media. Consumers lacked a reliable source of information they could depend on to help them distinguish hype from fact and good products from bad ones. Since then CR has filled that vacuum with a broad range of consumer information. To maintain its independence and impartiality, CR accepts no outside advertising and no free samples and employs several hundred mystery shoppers and technical experts to buy and test the products it evaluates." Rest assured, I am not suggesting this site adopt some radical new financial model in the hopes of appearing less biased. Consumer Reports is supported by subscriptions and donations, while I enjoy the content of this site for free. What I would like to see are more consistent, methodical and objective reviews that cause me to praise the writer's integrity instead of experienceing the revolting feeling I may be hearing about your findings through the language of salesmanship. The rationalization I came to when thinking about starting that thread (and ultimately the reason I dropped the issue until reading through this thread) was embodied in a couple old cliches. According to Voltiare, "with power comes responsibility". Bacon tells us, "knowledge is power". I looked at the most recent review which discusses the numerous bugs in TSW. Suzie acknowledged them in a responsible manner in her written review. The majority have been dealt with, and certainly anyone checking her review with the intention of trying the game for the first time would not be bothered by already-squashed bugs. Yet, parts of the review strike me as purposefully short-sighted. It's not like you guys are rocking the boat with cutting edge reviews here- at the point of publication you have the benefit of digesting nearly every other major and minor site's reviews in addition to knowing the average user-score here at mmorpg.com. Feigning limited knowledge of the current abysmal end-game and resting on future potential allowed her to give the game a great forecast in the longevity department with what I assume to be a clear conscience. At the time of publishing that review the majority of the playerbase was barely scratching the half-way point of the game's content. They won't know any better for a few months, and by that time maybe Funcom will get the game into a sustainable subscription state. I suppose either way she acted responsibly by giving the developer the benefit of the doubt, and not prematurely turning away potential customers. One change I would like to see are more specific review categories. Lumping PvE, PvP, and crafting into "Gameplay" for a score of 8.5 does not reflect the written word of great PvE, badly designed PvP and useless crafting (at least not to me). |
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8/04/12 10:11:49 PM#77
Who can deny that profit is a great motivator? On the other hand, I personally know many people who are satisfied, elated even at some of the games, movies, music that I find to be just straight and plain trash.
I mean, some of these people I am referring to prefer SWTOR to Skyrim. To me that's crazy, and this is coming from a guy whose read almost every single starwars novel. I can tell you right now, I'm not even a fan of the Elder Scrolls lore per say. I guess what I'm saying is that it's not impossible that the bloggers / columnists here are writing their genuine opinions.
I'm a ones and zeros type of guy so I think most things fall under correct and incorrect, so when I hear an opinion that is completely opposite of mine I sometimes wonder if the dude saying it is just stupid, obviously I'm assuming my opinion is right and a matter of fact.
In the end, independant bloggers are the ones who have nothing to lose, therefore are least likely to lie, or so says logic. |
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8/05/12 12:58:14 AM#78
Originally posted by Trionicus No. Thats the problem with games these days. The bigger the producer the bigger the problem. |
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8/05/12 1:07:34 AM#79
Originally posted by Burntvet |
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8/05/12 1:08:53 AM#80
and still waiting. Boy that must have been a hard question.
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