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  Amaranthar

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Joined: 1/18/06
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8/03/12 10:39:36 AM#41

Gold Farmer:

"I need more characters to script for more gold because with fewer players the price is dropping. I guess I better pay a levelling service for some more characters."

Levelling service:

"I need more gold to buy gear so I can level characters up fast. Guess I better buy some gold."

This game will go on forever.

Once upon a time....

  Coolit

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8/03/12 10:40:06 AM#42

It's going to happen sometime, there's no way WOW will stay the top MMO forever.

Even the analysts at Forbes are predicting trouble ahead for Activision/Blizzard mainly because the company is totally dependent on WOW as it's source of income which is now in decline.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/08/02/world-of-warcraft-guild-wars-2-and-vivendi-activisions-achilles-heel/

  sammandar

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8/03/12 10:44:13 AM#43
Originally posted by AzurePrower

Originally posted by sammandar

Originally posted by AzurePrower
This game is dying. Guild Wars 2 is going to beat them in subscriptions. etc. etc.

Well, GW2 has no subs (as in P2P), so there would be no way to compare the two. The only way to compare them would be to match up both games' active playerbase.


Glad you pointed out the fallacy of my second statement. Now see if you can figure out the fallacy in the first one.

That's the thing though... there's only one fallacy in your post; since GW2 has no P2P subs, it cannot beat a game (such as WOW) that does. As to the first statement, I think you were spot on; WOW is dying a very slow and painful death.

  oubers

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8/03/12 10:56:15 AM#44
Originally posted by Coolit

It's going to happen sometime, there's no way WOW will stay the top MMO forever.

Even the analysts at Forbes are prediction trouble ahead for Activision/Blizzard mainly because the company is totally dependent on WOW as it's source of income which is now in decline.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/08/02/world-of-warcraft-guild-wars-2-and-vivendi-activisions-achilles-heel/

f**** analysts.....they also predicted that the banks in europe would become stable after 2 or 3 years after the financial crisis here.

Look how right they where about that huh?

These overpayed analysts rly make me sick. (since all they do is just speculate, they cant tell the future !!!)

The job they do i could sell to firms around the globe in a bloody excell file predicting those numbers....lol.

 

  Icewhite

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8/03/12 11:06:28 AM#45
Originally posted by oubers

Look how right they where about that huh?

These overpayed analysts rly make me sick. (since all they do is just speculate, they cant tell the future !!!)

Yes, Cassandra does indeed often fail.  But in theory, analysts at least make educated guesses, unlike gamers.

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  Nadia

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8/03/12 11:13:39 AM#46
Originally posted by Coolit

 the analysts at Forbes are predicting trouble ahead for Activision/Blizzard mainly because the company is totally dependent on WOW as it's source of income which is now in decline.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/08/02/world-of-warcraft-guild-wars-2-and-vivendi-activisions-achilles-heel/

i read the article and it makes no mention of Call of Duty which was also a huge seller

 

Activision Blizzard posts $1 billion profit in 2011

http://www.gamespot.com/news/activision-blizzard-posts-1-billion-profit-in-2011-6350085

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 was the best-selling game of 2011. Today, Activision Blizzard reported its fiscal 2011 earnings report, and the success of the first-person shooter franchise helped propel the company to record profits of $1.08 billion on revenues of $4.76 billion. That's a significant improvement over 2010, when profits were $418 million on revenues of $4.45 billion.

 

 

  Gaenjin

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Joined: 10/15/04
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8/03/12 11:42:39 AM#47

My prediction is that MoP won't bring the numbers up as much as Blizzard and the WoW fanbois are hoping.  I honestly believe that WoW is in its twilight years.  Its always been a mediocre game, and the main reason that so many people would flock back to it, was to be with their WoW friends and guildies.  That's not really the case anymore, I know that several of my gamer friends have settled into other games and have no plans of returning for MoP, as a matter of fact, out of several hundred friends and friends of friends (their new guilds, etc.) I've not heard of anyone who plans to return for MoP.

 

I'm not saying that WoW is dead, I'm just saying that the gorilla is getting old and long in the tooth.  Its had its time and I just don't think that MoP will be the Fountain of Youth that fanbois are hoping it will be.

 
  Gudrunix

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8/03/12 11:50:01 AM#48
Originally posted by Icewhite

But a uniquely large population would logically equate to a uniquely large inertia as well.

I agree.  The inertia is both their biggest strength - they get solid monthly revenue - but also their biggest weakness - it will be difficult to do anything else.

Blizzard is still doing well by nearly any measure - any measure, that is, except long-term growth.  They have a solid game with a huge subscription base, but it is a steadily declining base.  The big news of the drop in subscriptions has shown what some people have long suspected:  that the boost from expansions is temporary and masks a long-term decline.

Blizzard will do fine for the next five or so years, although there likely will be more layoffs.  But beyond that, they have only one real option:  build another, better MMORPG.  But they can't do that, because the second they start work in earnest, subscriptions at WoW will tank.  Players remain invested in WoW because there is a wide-spread belief that it will be around forever (one thing that kills Blizzard's competition is the widespread belief - often confirmed - that its competitors won't be around for long, so there's no sense in investing time in them).  As soon as it becomes clear that Blizzard will be phasing out WoW, its subscriptions will fall off a cliff.  And as such, the executives are not going to seriously consider that option.

Blizzard is stuck.  They have a game that has been hugely successful, but no real way to even try to replace it without taking a huge chance and forgoing a huge amount of revenue.  And if the Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 designs have shown anything, it's that the current design staff are not interested in taking big chances; it's all about playing it safe.  All that points to a long-term decline for Blizzard and World of Warcraft in particular.

I do not think Blizzard is seriously considering a replacement to World of Warcraft, and the expansions have clearly failed to boost its long-term growth.  They are going to live or die on it, and based on the subscription numbers, sooner or later it will be the latter.

  mnemic666

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Joined: 12/23/10
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8/03/12 12:02:57 PM#49
My favorite part is that in the final quarter before Cataclysm was released, you know when there was still nothing to do because ICC had been out for almost a year and Ruby Sanctum took like...5 minutes, they actually GAINED 500k subscribers. So historically, he's full of shit : )
  Skuz

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8/03/12 12:05:19 PM#50
China's MMO market is growing & getting some big-hitter F2P titles, can't say I'm surprised the game lost most of it's "subs" in the East when you look at the pace of content updates vs competition coming out, a growing number of internet-cafe players trying other titles will gradually eat away at an older game's playerbase, I'm surprised the decline has not been more rapid, probably a testament to WoW's "fun-factor" it's retained as well as it has in that market.
  Hurvart

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Joined: 11/02/10
Posts: 566

8/03/12 12:21:59 PM#51
Originally posted by Gudrunix
Originally posted by Icewhite

But a uniquely large population would logically equate to a uniquely large inertia as well.

I agree.  The inertia is both their biggest strength - they get solid monthly revenue - but also their biggest weakness - it will be difficult to do anything else.

Blizzard is still doing well by nearly any measure - any measure, that is, except long-term growth.  They have a solid game with a huge subscription base, but it is a steadily declining base.  The big news of the drop in subscriptions has shown what some people have long suspected:  that the boost from expansions is temporary and masks a long-term decline.

Blizzard will do fine for the next five or so years, although there likely will be more layoffs.  But beyond that, they have only one real option:  build another, better MMORPG.  But they can't do that, because the second they start work in earnest, subscriptions at WoW will tank.  Players remain invested in WoW because there is a wide-spread belief that it will be around forever (one thing that kills Blizzard's competition is the widespread belief - often confirmed - that its competitors won't be around for long, so there's no sense in investing time in them).  As soon as it becomes clear that Blizzard will be phasing out WoW, its subscriptions will fall off a cliff.  And as such, the executives are not going to seriously consider that option.

Blizzard is stuck.  They have a game that has been hugely successful, but no real way to even try to replace it without taking a huge chance and forgoing a huge amount of revenue.  And if the Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 designs have shown anything, it's that the current design staff are not interested in taking big chances; it's all about playing it safe.  All that points to a long-term decline for Blizzard and World of Warcraft in particular.

I do not think Blizzard is seriously considering a replacement to World of Warcraft, and the expansions have clearly failed to boost its long-term growth.  They are going to live or die on it, and based on the subscription numbers, sooner or later it will be the latter.


They are working on "titan". All the best talent is on that project. I guess it will be released 2015. Next WoW expansion 2014 probably. So I think they have a plan...

I dont know if Titan will be a better MMO. Personally I dont like Blizzard games anymore. But I can also understand why they are mainstream popular and very successful from a business POV. Blizzard probably think Titan will be the new "king"...

The games are very mainstream and they try to satisfie people in general and not to offend anyone. This is good for profits. But not good for true gamers that are hardcore or  nerds. Blizzard is not trying to make games for them anymore. Because it would be bad for profits.

  Valentina

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Posts: 1665

8/03/12 1:07:43 PM#52
They lost 1.1 million subscribers since May. Don't try to make it sound better than it is, the subscription model is dead. B2P and Freemium is the way it's going to be for this genre, it's really the best option now.
  elf8bliss

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Posts: 306

8/03/12 1:41:42 PM#53
Gaming companies would kill to have a quarter of those numbers.
  Xstatic912

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Posts: 367

8/03/12 1:48:13 PM#54
Every xpac from here on out is to help stabilize the dropping subs... With that said, there next mmo more than likely will use a hybrid payment model.. They seen that person are quiting the mmo genre all together not just there games..

Gamers now-a-days have far too many choices for one game to strap them in anymore. Guild wars 2 this month, play that for 1-2 month then move on to the next "IT" game, either on console or pc..
  Hurvart

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Posts: 566

8/03/12 2:54:59 PM#55
Originally posted by Valentina
They lost 1.1 million subscribers since May. Don't try to make it sound better than it is, the subscription model is dead. B2P and Freemium is the way it's going to be for this genre, it's really the best option now.


WoW is still 10 times more profitable and successful than any s c freemium game. Compare it to terrible games like Lotro. The numbers will speak for themselves.

If the game is a success and quality is high enough P2P is the best option. If profits and the number of players are 5-10% compared to WoW and the trend is bad going freemium/f2p could be a way to save the game. The other option would be to pull the plug... But people that understand how that works will also realize the game is fail... Even if it might be fun to play for free for some time..

  Illyssia

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8/03/12 3:07:09 PM#56

Good article here from Ars Tech on then death of the monthly sub...

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/08/good-riddance-the-death-of-online-gamings-monthly-subscription-model/

 

Sure, there are a ton of people holding onto the past, but the future for mmos looks free-to-play for sure. And, I bet you Activision/Blizzard have plans for this right here and right now.

  Gravarg

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8/03/12 3:10:41 PM#57

WoW could use 90% more of thier subs and still have the most subs out of any MMO...um yeah, it's the end of the world!

 

 

 

...of Warcraft.

  BarCrow

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8/03/12 3:15:22 PM#58
I told you so. I was saying almost 8 years ago that this game was FAIL.
  SpottyGekko

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8/03/12 3:21:11 PM#59

SW:TOR lost 1M subs from their peak and went F2P.

WoW lost 3M subs from their peak and launched a new expansion 

 

Hell yeah, WoW is dying !

If they keep on losing 1M subs a year, they'll have to shut down the servers around the year 2020...

  knightaudit

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Those are my thoughts, not yours

8/03/12 3:21:33 PM#60

Ok ... Lets say that WOW has 4 million active subs... say the average is paying 13.00 per month ... with free months, 1, 3 and 6 month subs as well.. that is still 52 million per month now take that over 12 months and you get 624 million per year.. I do not know how the company stays in business .... What do you think it costs to run the company for a year ... salaries, utilities, and everything else... maybe 120 million (rough) So they make and easy 500 million proffit per year

If you do a rough factor of that over the last 8 years, say for better numbers they only made 400 million average over the last 8 (Both high and low years) that makes 3.2 billion in that time ... I think wow is not going anywhere for a while .. or will just be replaced by whatever titan is.

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