Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by everland

Yep, it's like that. Op just listed features that any other mmorpg has, might aswell just write that "Every mmorpg is great" if those features are all that make him satisfied.

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Because every same feature is implemented in every each game same way, right?

EVE online has dungeons, WoW has dungeons...yet you would hardly find games that differ so much from each other.

Well, that is my point. You can say "Dungeons are great" in any mmorpg, since every mmo has them, so why write it at all. He should write why the hell are they better than in any other game, if he doesn't, what's the point of this post. To say to the world he just liked it? What to discuss here?

Originally posted by infeeect
Have fun on your own then.

This is the problem I'm having. Anytime I log on, there is no one to play with so I just log off.

Originally posted by warbot7777

Originally posted by infeeect
Have fun on your own then.

This is the problem I'm having. Anytime I log on, there is no one to play with so I just log off.

Everytime i log on atm, the fleets have 200+ players, mostly looking for groups. I currently level with my friend and am having issues with mobs being dead on kill quests. Doesnt really point towards a dead world.

I found the non-standard MMORPG content to be really cool. None of the standard MMORPG content really appealed to me though. I could have played the game without the character skill progression, world quests, inventory management and crafting and been pretty happy.

Originally posted by Gdemami

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Gdemami 

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Originally posted by cinos

 

The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game.
 

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 You are not correct tho, but that is fine too...

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So you are saying that the vast majority think SWTOR is great?

If so, I would love to hear the reasoning behind that one.

Did I say anything like that?

All I can say is that there is currently +500k people who consider SWTOR worth their money, which is way more than any other game apart from WoW.

So if you are so in love with reasoning behind the claims, you may start to seek reason or better - motives, behind your own.

Had to do some re-edtiing to include my previous post as you conveniently left it out.

Yes, yes you did say something like that.

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op. Which is why I sought clarification, and asked you a question (notice the ?). I didn't make a passing statement on you which is how you have reacted.

Also please try and understand the word 'reasoning' before you try and confront people in such a condescending manner next time.

Edit: Stupid words. :p

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Originally posted by everland

Well, that is my point.

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I now see your point but your argument is not correct tho because not all dungeons are the same as I pointed out.

Even if I elaborate about aspects of the game I like, it is still the like or dislike which holds no room for discussion, it is a subject to favour not a reason.

I agree there is nothing to discuss but then if you were after constructive posts on these boards, I am afraid you would not find much interesting, especially when it comes to SWTOR.

I find it a bit refreshing tho after the monotony of "SWTOR FAILS !!!" the forums are flooded by for now.

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Originally posted by cinos

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op.

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No, it does not imply anything like that. That is just your failing in reasoning process.

If I prove you that there is no rain, does not imply there is sunny weather out there.

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op. Which is why I sought clarification, and asked you a question (notice the ?). I didn't make a passing statement on you which is how you have reacted.

Also please try and understand the word 'reasoning' before you try and confront people in such a condescending man

Fixed :P

Originally posted by Ahnog

1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction.

2. The class stories are great.

3. Leveling is fun.

4. There is a ton of things to do at 50.

5. The dailies do what dailies should do--provide a way to make the credits you need to play the game. Doing any one of the planets will give you enough for basic game play. The great thing is they don't have to be dailies.

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game.

7. The Instances and Operations are well made. Some complain they are to easy, but remember the target audience is not hardcore mmoers who hit 50 in a day, but Star Wars fans.

8. Heroics while leveling up prepares one for the end game, and provide plenty of opportunity for social interaction while leveling.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s.

10. Playing the GTN is fun and profitible.

11. There are plenty of opportunities for role playing.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great.

Overall, a great and exciting game.

good for some, maybe, tolerable for others, sure, great? no...

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by cinos

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op.

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No, it does not imply anything like that. That is just your failing in reasoning process.

If I prove you that there is no rain, does not imply there is sunny weather out there.

Pretty bad example you have there as there are lots of variants for the weather.

However when one says that a majority consensus does not consider something to be great, and then someone like yourself says that that is incorrect without a single explanation to back up the statement, the only logical implication is that that person actually believes that 50%+ DO consider that something to be great.

Which again, is why I asked you for clarification on your statement. You instead leaping on the comment as if I'm misrepresenting you.

However this is pointless semantics and I really can't be bothered to argue about this further with you.

Instead, please just explain to me how my statement is incorrect, as I asked in my initial response to you. You are yet to actually do that. 500k+ playing SWTOR currently in no way explains why I'm incorrect.

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Originally posted by lizardbones
I found the non-standard MMORPG content to be really cool. None of the standard MMORPG content really appealed to me though. I could have played the game without the character skill progression, world quests, inventory management and crafting and been pretty happy.

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Yeah, this is what was so refreshing for me about SWTOR. I think I even discussed the very same thing long time back with you...

Most games on the market just make very same core game play, features and then probably try add some new. Typical example is Rift. The game is as generic as it can be with all the "standard" feature + something little new.

SWTOR tried different approach. They fully focused on core game play - the questing and linear progression. They have put heavy emphasis on the best story telling experience possible with features and "generic" content to be added later on.

Overall it does not seem as bad idea since you can add endgame content and features any time but you would be hardly able to rework the core of the game.

Originally posted by DariusGear

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op. Which is why I sought clarification, and asked you a question (notice the ?). I didn't make a passing statement on you which is how you have reacted.

Also please try and understand the word 'reasoning' before you try and confront people in such a condescending man

Fixed :P

Bah! :p

Edit: Wait, "Condescending man" ? Lol. :p

Originally posted by Ahnog

1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction.

2. The class stories are great.

3. Leveling is fun.

4. There is a ton of things to do at 50.

5. The dailies do what dailies should do--provide a way to make the credits you need to play the game. Doing any one of the planets will give you enough for basic game play. The great thing is they don't have to be dailies.

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game.

7. The Instances and Operations are well made. Some complain they are to easy, but remember the target audience is not hardcore mmoers who hit 50 in a day, but Star Wars fans.

8. Heroics while leveling up prepares one for the end game, and provide plenty of opportunity for social interaction while leveling.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s.

10. Playing the GTN is fun and profitible.

11. There are plenty of opportunities for role playing.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great.

Overall, a great and exciting game.

it is good . but delaying f2p till november not such a good idea . they should go f2p in september

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Originally posted by cinos

the only logical implication is

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It is an implication, not logical tho...or at least not logically correct one.

I did provide you with an explanation, pointed out where you made your error, offered a logical alternative but you just deny anything I say...despite your inability to point any flaw in my statements or reasoning.

So at this point, I do not know what more I can do nor what you ask from me...

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by cinos

the only logical implication is

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It is an implication, not logical tho...or at least not logically correct one.

I did provide you with an explanation, pointed out where you made your error, offered a logical alternative but you just deny anything I say...despite you cannot point any of the flaws in my statements or reasoning.

So at this point, I do not know what more I can do nor what you ask from me...

My god.

Firstly please stop ignoring my entire posts and focusing on a few words. It's just coming off as petty.

Second, I'm going to make this as simple for you as I possibly can. I say the majority do not think like the op. Which is to say that the majority do not think of the game as great. Which is to say that the majority think of the game as anything from "absolutely terrible" to "just short of great". How is this incorrect?

You have not offered any logical alternative whatsoever. Just saying that 500k+ currently play the game does in no way contradict what I originally said. Why would I point to a flaw in that statement when it actually supports my original claim rather than prove it to be incorrect?

I also haven't denied anything you have said. I've tried to explain to you that I was asking for a clarification on your position rather than making a statement of assumption regarding your thoughts in this matter. However all I get back is condescending tone and an elitest attitude.

I suspect now that you may have misunderstood me and believe I am implying that the majority of the remaining playerbase (500k+) do not think of the game as great. Which is completely untrue of course, as my statement was based on the total playerbase (2.4mil) SWTOR had accumulated up to this point. If this is the case then at least your insistance that my statement was incorrect can be understood, even if it was based on a misunderstanding.

With all this said therefore, once more and as simply as I can make it, please can you explain why you think this statement is incorrect?

"The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game."

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by DariusGear

You said I was not correct in saying that the majority do not think like the op, which in turn imply's that you believe the majority agrees with the op. Which is why I sought clarification, and asked you a question (notice the ?). I didn't make a passing statement on you which is how you have reacted.

Also please try and understand the word 'reasoning' before you try and confront people in such a condescending man

Fixed :P

Bah! :p

Edit: Wait, "Condescending man" ? Lol. :p

Lol! It appears that I deleted part of the quote whoops :P.

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by cinos

the only logical implication is

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It is an implication, not logical tho...or at least not logically correct one.

I did provide you with an explanation, pointed out where you made your error, offered a logical alternative but you just deny anything I say...despite you cannot point any of the flaws in my statements or reasoning.

So at this point, I do not know what more I can do nor what you ask from me...

My god.

Firstly please stop ignoring my entire posts and focusing on a few words. It's just coming off as petty.

Second, I'm going to make this as simple for you as I possibly can. I say the majority do not think like the op. Which is to say that the majority do not think of the game as great. Which is to say that the majority think of the game as anything from "absolutely terrible" to "just short of great". How is this incorrect?

You have not offered any logical alternative whatsoever. Just saying that 500k+ currently play the game does in no way contradict what I originally said. Why would I point to a flaw in that statement when it actually supports my original claim rather than prove it to be incorrect?

I also haven't denied anything you have said. I've tried to explain to you that I was asking for a clarification on your position rather than making a statement of assumption regarding your thoughts in this matter. However all I get back is condescending tone and an elitest attitude.

I suspect now that you may have misunderstood me and believe I am implying that the majority of the remaining playerbase (500k+) do not think of the game as great. Which is completely untrue of course, as my statement was based on the total playerbase (2.4mil) SWTOR had accumulated up to this point. If this is the case then at least your insistance that my statement was incorrect can be understood, even if it was based on a misunderstanding.

With all this said therefore, once more and as simply as I can make it, please can you explain why you think this statement is incorrect?

"The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game."

 

 You better have had Mojo's voice in yur head when you wrote this.

If not, reread it with his voice and you too will still be laughing.

Originally posted by Four0Six

Originally posted by cinos

Originally posted by Gdemami

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My god.

Firstly please stop ignoring my entire posts and focusing on a few words. It's just coming off as petty.

Second, I'm going to make this as simple for you as I possibly can. I say the majority do not think like the op. Which is to say that the majority do not think of the game as great. Which is to say that the majority think of the game as anything from "absolutely terrible" to "just short of great". How is this incorrect?

You have not offered any logical alternative whatsoever. Just saying that 500k+ currently play the game does in no way contradict what I originally said. Why would I point to a flaw in that statement when it actually supports my original claim rather than prove it to be incorrect?

I also haven't denied anything you have said. I've tried to explain to you that I was asking for a clarification on your position rather than making a statement of assumption regarding your thoughts in this matter. However all I get back is condescending tone and an elitest attitude.

I suspect now that you may have misunderstood me and believe I am implying that the majority of the remaining playerbase (500k+) do not think of the game as great. Which is completely untrue of course, as my statement was based on the total playerbase (2.4mil) SWTOR had accumulated up to this point. If this is the case then at least your insistance that my statement was incorrect can be understood, even if it was based on a misunderstanding.

With all this said therefore, once more and as simply as I can make it, please can you explain why you think this statement is incorrect?

"The point of my post however was to illustrate that "unfortunately" the vast majority do not think the same as you regarding this game."

 

 You better have had Mojo's voice in yur head when you wrote this.

If not, reread it with his voice and you too will still be laughing.

Lol. Have I inadvertantly channelled a cartoon character again? :p

Who's Mojo out of interest? :)

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Originally posted by Ahnog
1. As a good mmo should, the game provides for social interaction.

2. The class stories are great.

3. Leveling is fun.

4. There is a ton of things to do at 50.

5. The dailies do what dailies should do--provide a way to make the credits you need to play the game. Doing any one of the planets will give you enough for basic game play. The great thing is they don't have to be dailies.

6. Crafting is a blast and is really useful leveling up and providing a starting point for the end game.

7. The Instances and Operations are well made. Some complain they are to easy, but remember the target audience is not hardcore mmoers who hit 50 in a day, but Star Wars fans.

8. Heroics while leveling up prepares one for the end game, and provide plenty of opportunity for social interaction while leveling.

9. Pursuing datacroms is a good challenge for 50s.

10. Playing the GTN is fun and profitible.

11. There are plenty of opportunities for role playing.

12. While the world pvp didn't work out so well, the instanced pvp zones are great.

Overall, a great and exciting game.

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Yea all of the above LMFAO

Nice one OP couldnt have put it better myself!