Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

IF Titan is a sandbox or even hybrid sandbox, and has a sub model? the industry will be flipped on it's head. which is what i think was blizzards plan all along. Think about it, with all the Wow clones we have now, the genre is stagnated to the point of collapse. in comes Titan being a sandbox, and over night all those clones would fall like dominoes. it's brilaint plan if it's true.

Not only did they hold the entire genre hostage since 2004 forcing companys to make Wow clones, they use Titan to redefine the genre and force out all the competitors overnight in a rush to innovate to try and grab the sandbox MMO market share which blizzard would hold for decades.

I'm just not sure thats the plan though. but if it turns out that way blizzard will have sealed the title and control MMO development for the next 14 years easy.

Thats a nice fairytale dream you have there, but companies like Zynga have shown where the big money is. Facebook crap

I get conflicting reports.  Some say Zynga lost $400 million last year.  Others say they are losing $150 for every new paying customer.  While others are saying they are making $30 dollars for every new paying customer. 

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

IF Titan is a sandbox or even hybrid sandbox, and has a sub model? the industry will be flipped on it's head. which is what i think was blizzards plan all along. Think about it, with all the Wow clones we have now, the genre is stagnated to the point of collapse. in comes Titan being a sandbox, and over night all those clones would fall like dominoes. it's brilaint plan if it's true.

Not only did they hold the entire genre hostage since 2004 forcing companys to make Wow clones, they use Titan to redefine the genre and force out all the competitors overnight in a rush to innovate to try and grab the sandbox MMO market share which blizzard would hold for decades.

I'm just not sure thats the plan though. but if it turns out that way blizzard will have sealed the title and control MMO development for the next 14 years easy.

Thats a nice fairytale dream you have there, but companies like Zynga have shown where the big money is. Facebook crap

I get conflicting reports.  Some say Zynga lost $400 million last year.  Others say they are losing $150 for every new paying customer.  While others are saying they are making $30 dollars for every new paying customer. 

I dont keep up to date but I heard on the news a few months ago that Zynga had a value of 6-billion.

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by blognorg

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by alexanys1982

If, keyword IF..Titan turns out to be the sandbox/themepark perfect hybrid that everyone seems to be clamoring for, and Blizzard ended up dominating the scene for another 12 years, how would that make you feel about them as a company, or about the other mmo houses in general...can 1 company really dominate for that long in this gene? I was having a pretty deep convo with some work buddys about the genre as a whole and they all agreed its because they are simply better at making games the same way not all athletes are created equal...so how would you reacte to Blizzards dominance for another 12 years?

All one has to do is look at the direction blizzard has taken the last 6 or so years...

I'm pretty confident Titan will not be a sandbox/themepark hybrid. What it will do is push the boundries into what people are willing to pay for a game. It will cater to the masses and ot may very well dominate for another 12 years.

One thing it will not do is cater to the sandbox/virtual world fan.

Really? I have serious doubts that it will dominate, especially for 12 years. The market is in a much different place than it was 8 years ago. We don't need what WoW did back then. Another thing is that people don't necessarily have the Blizzard brand loyalty that they had eons ago, so fewer people will mindlessly jump on the band wagon. I'm not saying that they won't make a good game or that it won't be popular, but I don't think domination is in its future.

I really hope your right... I agree with you...

But the masses are mindless. 500 channels and nothing on

 

 

Haha. I know, right. I cancelled my TV years ago. Between Netflix and the internet, I'm able to watch everything that I care to. Though, now that Arrested Development is off the air, I've lost my faith in TV.

Originally posted by alexanys1982

If, keyword IF..Titan turns out to be the sandbox/themepark perfect hybrid that everyone seems to be clamoring for, and Blizzard ended up dominating the scene for another 12 years, how would that make you feel about them as a company, or about the other mmo houses in general...can 1 company really dominate for that long in this gene? I was having a pretty deep convo with some work buddys about the genre as a whole and they all agreed its because they are simply better at making games the same way not all athletes are created equal...so how would you reacte to Blizzards dominance for another 12 years?

I could care less about another wow cloned thempark game! They could sell 30 million copies with 27 million subs, but if it's not something opened world and where player decisions afftect it then i dont want any part of it. The RMT AH is nothing but a cash shop between players!

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

IF Titan is a sandbox or even hybrid sandbox, and has a sub model? the industry will be flipped on it's head. which is what i think was blizzards plan all along. Think about it, with all the Wow clones we have now, the genre is stagnated to the point of collapse. in comes Titan being a sandbox, and over night all those clones would fall like dominoes. it's brilaint plan if it's true.

Not only did they hold the entire genre hostage since 2004 forcing companys to make Wow clones, they use Titan to redefine the genre and force out all the competitors overnight in a rush to innovate to try and grab the sandbox MMO market share which blizzard would hold for decades.

I'm just not sure thats the plan though. but if it turns out that way blizzard will have sealed the title and control MMO development for the next 14 years easy.

Thats a nice fairytale dream you have there, but companies like Zynga have shown where the big money is. Facebook crap

I get conflicting reports.  Some say Zynga lost $400 million last year.  Others say they are losing $150 for every new paying customer.  While others are saying they are making $30 dollars for every new paying customer. 

I dont keep up to date but I heard on the news a few months ago that Zynga had a value of 6-billion.

You should absolutely keep up with the news, Zynga's bubble has burst. http://kotaku.com/5929083/zynga-stock-suddenly-drops-41

Originally posted by alexanys1982

If, keyword IF..Titan turns out to be the sandbox/themepark perfect hybrid that everyone seems to be clamoring for, and Blizzard ended up dominating the scene for another 12 years, how would that make you feel about them as a company, or about the other mmo houses in general...can 1 company really dominate for that long in this gene? I was having a pretty deep convo with some work buddys about the genre as a whole and they all agreed its because they are simply better at making games the same way not all athletes are created equal...so how would you reacte to Blizzards dominance for another 12 years?

If, keyword IF Blizzard's rooster for the past 5 years wasnt the mother of all dissapointments, you'd have a point.

my expectatives of Blizzard scoring big time again are close to zilch.

SC2 sent a worrying signal.  Cata and MoP strengthened the fear. D3 confirmed it

any talent Blizzard had at any point in time left the building looooooooong ago.

doubt Titan will be any good

Originally posted by Badaboom

With Blizz' latest release of D3 and soon to be WoW Expansion, the once good company has shown that they have lost touch with reality.

Any game that sold 6.5M copies in its first week is a huge success and pretty much welcomed by the market.

If this is "losing touch" with reality, many companies would want to "lose touch" as much as blizz.

Originally posted by alexanys1982

If, keyword IF..Titan turns out to be the sandbox/themepark perfect hybrid that everyone seems to be clamoring for, and Blizzard ended up dominating the scene for another 12 years, how would that make you feel about them as a company, or about the other mmo houses in general...can 1 company really dominate for that long in this gene? I was having a pretty deep convo with some work buddys about the genre as a whole and they all agreed its because they are simply better at making games the same way not all athletes are created equal...so how would you reacte to Blizzards dominance for another 12 years?

It wouldn't make me feel any different about them at all. The thing about the perfect MMO formula is it isn't that hard to figure out. The problem is, for the past 8 years we've basically had a bunch of people controlling the industry who can't peel their collective eyes off of WoW's success. As a result, it's led to this ridiculous rise of 'absolute' themeparks which, as we know, haven't been all that successful due to the fact that WoW already fills that niche effectively, and fills it well.

If Blizzard has been good at something over the years, it's predicting trends. As the trend-setters for the past decade (or close to it), they are in the unique position to draw inspiration from elsewhere: to reflect on their own successes and understand that not everything they did was a homerun. That's why, at this point, I expect that they'll (somewhat ironically) be the only people capable of breaking their own mold. It's not like the writing hasn't been on the wall for about 4 years now -- it's just that Blizzard is the only company willing to take a look at it.

If you want to 'break the trinity;' if you want more realistic combat, sandbox elements, and more open world design, it's all possible with today's technology. Hell, the combat itself is simplistic: focus on mobility and utilizing terrain (IE, dodge the dragon's fireball by leaping behind a pillar) rather than aggro tables and healing. Draw inspiration from real-world fighting and you'll be able to knock up a system that's both believable and highly-involved. The first thing I would do is pretty much eliminate healing as we understand it -- there's no analagous real-world profession to the healer in MMOs. The key to surviving combat is mitigation and dodging -- not waving your glowy hands to pull a soldier who has been shot 10 times back from brink.

At the end of the day, this era will be remembered for producing MMOs that were scared of trying new things. My guess? Blizzard ain't scared, and they will give us new things.

Originally posted by alexanys1982

If, keyword IF..Titan turns out to be the sandbox/themepark perfect hybrid that everyone seems to be clamoring for, and Blizzard ended up dominating the scene for another 12 years, how would that make you feel about them as a company, or about the other mmo houses in general...can 1 company really dominate for that long in this gene? I was having a pretty deep convo with some work buddys about the genre as a whole and they all agreed its because they are simply better at making games the same way not all athletes are created equal...so how would you reacte to Blizzards dominance for another 12 years?

They are truly missing something if they ignore the sheer horror that was diablo III and still think Blizz has it's best talent on the job with Titan (the real talent is who they lost to other companies years ago btw).

Titan will most likely be another sub only title with a shop it will either be console FPS or some other such combo of these things, and it will most likely have balance issues because they'll still be holding onto their old notions of how games should be. I do not believe they or anyone else will have the level of success that WoW is holding onto because of the nostalgia that WoW represents as well as the number of people it appealed to. 

Now of course since they are keeping a tight lid on things, i might be wrong, but their track record especially lately has been pointing sharply in the fail direction.