Originally posted by azmundai

 

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Originally posted by DrunkWolf
i would rather they make War free, its a better game.

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this

 

Yep,  WAR had charm.  SWToR was just bland.

Originally posted by knighthammer

Originally posted by VikingGamer

EA is so fail.

First they take the one IP that cannot possibly fail with and they fail anyway. Then they turn it into a completely fail form of free to play.

"Never split your community"

Penny Arcade - Extra Credits – Microtransactions

Limited flashpoints and no access to ops is about the dumbest idea ever. Why do you want free players on your servers? So you have a population for paying players to play with, because a ghost town is no fun.

They take one of the greatest universes and create a lump of poodoo with it, then get 7 months worth of subs then rub people faces in it with the F2P news. New big expansion coming up, oh sorry you have to buy planet X or Y

And to think, all the nonsense of TOR is now canon.

Oh well.  Maybe someone will see how geeked everyone is about the restoration of KOTOR2 and finally make KOTOR3.  I'm trying that whole delusion thing the TOR fanbois have been on the past 7 months.

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

It's not truly free to play (like Aion which is very successful btw). It's on a crummy Freemium model that never works (AoC is proof).

I did call the failure of this game though and the game has failed. Low subs, no content in sight, crashing and burning. If you were familiar with these forums like 8-10 months ago, you'd remember the stupid arguments taht were had here. I got my (un)fair share of bans for alleged "trolling" when I was merely stating what a poor excuse of a game this was and got reported by fanboys. 

Well I am having the last laugh. 

Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

I am not surprised that SWTOR would attempt to go F2P. I doubt anyone really is outside the die hard fans. The problem is that the game was not designed with the types of features or content needed to maintain a long term committed player base that will subscribe long or even desire to stick around and play after finishing a story line. The promises of new content every six weeks reads well upon virtual web pages but I honestly doubt they can sustain that long term.

 

It is stated by the development team that they have been looking at the Turbine and SOE models. When one considers a game like LOTRO in comparison, it has several features built in to keep a target community playing and doing so together. Guild housing and guild neighborhoods, useful end game crafting that requires items from others on occasion, skirmishes (like little 1 to 3 man raids) to engage in while awaiting larger runs, even fishing and options to write and play your own music with friends.

 

What does SWTRO have outside of a single player story they are now giving away for free? You might sub a month for quest content, their limited if sometimes fun when leveling PVP, maybe a solo space combat romp or two, but after that? There is nothing much less anything to encourage you to need or want other people or stick around longer than a month. I am afraid they will end up with a more SOE like model as a result and may start selling PVP gear high end as a “convenience” feature to avoid grind...

 

Outside of an initial burst, I personally just do not see F2P as being enough to “save SWTOR” or keep it a major player in the MMORPG industry long term. It will hang on though, as a once in a blue moon theme park ride with fewer consistant players than SWG had if a larger body in total. I don’t take any pleasure in that conclusion. I don’t like what I think this will mean for future games. I am disappointed in EA Bioware for this mess. And on a personal note, I hate their male counsular costume skirts. Next time, GIVE ME PANTS and I might sub longer. :P

 

Why is it I think that this does not bode well for TESO...

 

Yeah, in 6 months there will be more discussions about why the game isn't bringing in money.

The best this thing could do is stabilize revenues so it's no longer bleeding profusely.  Yet it's like the governments bailing out of GM. Once we accept that we are never ever ever getting that money back, we can move on.

TOR won't be recouping their initial spending binge.

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Originally posted by BrightestDay

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Originally posted by pharazonic Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right.    Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

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Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

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nice

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

 

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

simpl put, the qouted poster has claimed to have called that the game would be going F2P yet the linked topic shows him vehemently denying the possibility of it going F2P.

I guess you and I have different opinions on "F2P". 

That said, I'm willing to settle on "SWTOR has failed spectacularly and I called it". 

This was the game that was supposed to go head to head against Blizzard's juggernaught, WoW. Guess which game is still in the arena, at a subscription model for the forseeable future with a major expansion on the way.

I rest my case :)

sad thing is, i still wouldnt try it

Damn lol Aion lasted over 2 years in the west before it went F2P, even Lineage 2 lasted longer.

Warhammer still going and SWG lasted about 8 years. What the %$^& Beaware?

Even RF-Online lasted longer and that game had like Zero quest back in the day when Codemasters was in charge. All it had was the 3 faction pvp which was pretty fun but damn.

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

 

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

simpl put, the qouted poster has claimed to have called that the game would be going F2P yet the linked topic shows him vehemently denying the possibility of it going F2P.

Ahh that explains it, it wasn't that you were saying he should remember the game not being a year old before going F2P but that he claimed the opposite, one of those sneaky fanboys trying to be on the side that's correct apparently, good catch.

It seems SWTOR has taken forum PVP to new levels not seen outside of EVE Online. However, I would like to encourage some of you. After all, this conflict has brought you more satisfaction than paying your subscription fee to EA ever did...  ;)

I still chuckle about fan predictions of 10 million subs the first year.

Originally posted by XAPGames

I still chuckle about fan predictions of 10 million subs the first year.

This.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

http://www.swtor.com/free

Looks good IMO.  Haters gonna' hate, but this is where the market is.  Look at League of Legends.

Well done. Nice attempt to put a brave face on it.

I think the jokes going to be on the people who think its going to be a free game when they learn they have to pay to play most of it.

I actually love it when the people celebrating games going free as some sort of moral victory are a month later crying that they are expected to actually pay to continue playing.

This pretty much means i never come back though, as bad as the fatman community was, loading it up with the global free community is going to make it unplayable for me..thought i could manage playing aion right before it went free and the community turned to trash overnight.

I wish it luck though.

Also...its not really free if they charge for any content is it? pay per content?

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by BrightestDay

hmmm seems pretty....limited

Subscribers can now post 50 listings on GTN? haha!

The above post highlights my point on my other post above it.

Bad community plus the games not free....yikes .... no operations...lol sucks for the freeloaders!

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by BrightestDay

hmmm seems pretty....limited

Subscribers can now post 50 listings on GTN? haha!

SWTOR always had that limit .. 50 per character that is.  Very limited as it was, since WoW didn't have a limit, or at lest not one I discovered ... if it did have one, it was over 2000 simultaneous auctions.

With SWTOR though, the interface was so bad that putting 50 items up was a not-so-fun experience.

Originally posted by BigRock411

...Also...its not really free if they charge for any content is it? pay per content?

Industry could learn a lot from a good hooker that way.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by BrightestDay

Originally posted by pharazonic

Called it when this game was in beta. Feels good to be right. 

 

Edit: ROFL they couldn't even make a year! Even Age of Conan lasted longer. I wonder where the yes-men are now... although I could name each one of them, I won't. You know who you are. 

 

Ahem, i think you are remembering things differently from how they happened.

 

Apparently not, no one's announced their one year anniversary or anything and even the F2P conversion is schedule long before december so.....what are we remembering again?

simpl put, the qouted poster has claimed to have called that the game would be going F2P yet the linked topic shows him vehemently denying the possibility of it going F2P.

Ahh that explains it, it wasn't that you were saying he should remember the game not being a year old before going F2P but that he claimed the opposite, one of those sneaky fanboys trying to be on the side that's correct apparently, good catch.

LOL I am the last incarnation of SWTOR fanboy. IIRC you were quite the Bioware fanboy no?