Originally posted by Souldrainer

http://www.darthhater.com/articles/swtor-news/21125-electronic-arts-q1-fy13-earnings-call

 

 

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...For players who cancelled their subscriptions, feedback provided as they cancelled indicated that 40% were turned off by the monthly subscription fee...

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Players were turned off by it because it's a single player game with co-op that should've never had a sub in the first place.

In other words, the game is the problem, not the fee.  They still don't get it and if they haven't by now, they never will.

Anyone that believes they still have over 500,000 subscribers...I have a business deal for you, PM me.

500,000 X 14.99 per month = 7.5 million, that would place them near 100 million a year they could be giving up. You know damn well a lot of people that like the game(AKA current subscribers) are going to drop their subs and play for free because there sure isnt a lot to give up in terms of end game...which is mostly crap anyway.

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

Originally posted by Souldrainer

http://www.darthhater.com/articles/swtor-news/21125-electronic-arts-q1-fy13-earnings-call

 

 

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...For players who cancelled their subscriptions, feedback provided as they cancelled indicated that 40% were turned off by the monthly subscription fee...

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Players were turned off by it because it's a single player game with co-op that should've never had a sub in the first place.

 

In other words, the game is the problem, not the fee.  They still don't get it and if they haven't by now, they never will.

Truly , the most prime example of a dev team/publisher that just doesn't get the basic idea needed behind a mmorpg is SWTOR - other games have failed due to extrememly buggy launches , (Vanguard for example )  ,but TOR is failing because at it's heart , they truly don't get the idea of an mmorpg.

EA in particular and Bioware through association are dishonest when to comes to providing accurate subscribing player totals. They get away with it for now but I will not be surprised if they are eventually brought to heel for lying to their shareholders by ommission if not fact. It’s a shadey business practice if not yet criminal beyond shadow of a doubt. They constantly fluff numbers by including people on trial accounts, free to play week ends, and every other scheming twist that they can get away with to spin numbers higher for their shareholders without ever really indicating the current number of players logged in and paying this or that month.

The truth is that we do not have a reliable and accurate means of determining the actual player base. Before long I suspect all that we will hear from them is the total number of accounts they maintain, free or not without regard to how many are really playing. In order to divine any truth from them, I have to watch what EA does.

They have turned the largest budgeted MMORPG in history with a global IP into a free to play game in less than a year after launch in spite of all the hyped numbers. This tells me they were not making enough money from subscriptions. Otherwise, they would not have changed this drastically THIS soon...

Getting out performed by a sandbox in day z, 900k, this day is a great day.

The sub numbers will drop as low as 300k subs or less when August 25th/28th comes. Keep in mind some people still have 6 month sub running unable to get refunds unfortunately.

Originally posted by Jonoku

The sub numbers will drop as low as 300k subs or less when August 25th/28th comes. Keep in mind some people still have 6 month sub running unable to get refunds unfortunately.

I'd honestly be surprised if it gets above 250k people with actual subs now that it's F2P.  175-250k is more realistic, then maybe an extra 100k or so coming in from time to time.

Will be watchiing the news for the next few days.  Based on what tiefighter25 reported in post #24 that EA hung on on the Goldman Sachs's rep when stated that the number crunching looked dodgy.

Some of the things that I will be looking for is reports of Goldman Sachs rating EA as junk based on that call and/or refusing to handle EA stock sells or call in any loans they have with EA.

Will also be looking to see if Goldman Sachs ask the FTC, SEC, and justice department to step in and take a look to see what is really going on.

Till then I will just have to hope for the best and wait to see what happens.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Easily over 500K. Servers are full of people. There are actually people here who love they game, you know?

The game is more of an online rpg, not an mmorpg.  They tried to sell people a stallion and then showed up with a donkey, what did they expect.

Originally posted by minime2

Utter bs on the 5ook+ subs be lucky if they have 100k lol .

What you and a lot of other people understand is that lieing at investor calls is not something ANY major company really wants to get into.

Its more likely they are telling the truth and are looking at Turbine and SOE and the way their games enjoyed spikes upwards after going F2P Hybrid and figured this is the best way to go for long term returns.

With any luck it works and Warhammer will go the same way too.

Most of the player that defended swtor are hiding under a rock now LOL IRL. I don't think anyone in that call even asked about BF3 but they bowtied swtor and BF3 together like a xmas present.

Originally posted by Kothoses

Originally posted by minime2

Utter bs on the 5ook+ subs be lucky if they have 100k lol .

 

What you and a lot of other people understand is that lieing at investor calls is not something ANY major company really wants to get into.

 

Its more likely they are telling the truth and are looking at Turbine and SOE and the way their games enjoyed spikes upwards after going F2P Hybrid and figured this is the best way to go for long term returns.

 

With any luck it works and Warhammer will go the same way too.

If they were telling the truth then there would be no f2p conversion.

No comment on Warhammer.

Originally posted by Trionicus

Originally posted by Kothoses

Originally posted by minime2

Utter bs on the 5ook+ subs be lucky if they have 100k lol .

 

What you and a lot of other people understand is that lieing at investor calls is not something ANY major company really wants to get into.

 

Its more likely they are telling the truth and are looking at Turbine and SOE and the way their games enjoyed spikes upwards after going F2P Hybrid and figured this is the best way to go for long term returns.

 

With any luck it works and Warhammer will go the same way too.

If they were telling the truth then there would be no f2p conversion.

 

No comment on Warhammer.

Can you explain this in a logical way, please.  Switching business models is not tantamount to dishonesty.  It just means they are making the change.  The game seems to be doing OK... but investors don't want OK.  They want a WOW killer.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Can you explain this in a logical way, please.  Switching business models is not tantamount to dishonesty.  It just means they are making the change.  The game seems to be doing OK... but investors don't want OK.  They want a WOW killer.

And going F2P is the way to become a WoW-killer?

Wasn´t it just in april EAs analysts were sure that the game would be back to 2 million subs by the end of the year?

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Can you explain this in a logical way, please.  Switching business models is not tantamount to dishonesty.  It just means they are making the change.  The game seems to be doing OK... but investors don't want OK.  They want a WOW killer.

So, now EA itself lies when they say its epic failure?

Man, i cant really believe there are people so detached from reality.

Originally posted by tuppe99

And going F2P is the way to become a WoW-killer?

They hope that they will at least get out of red with it, now that they cut the expenses considerably.

I guess they arent entertained with the idea of other games covering for SWTORs losses (BF3 till now).

Not sure it's been mentioned yet, but wasn't the 500k break even thing an average sub number for the first year? I seem to remember it being that and then what they mean now with well above 500k probably is that on average this year they still are over 500k. Current sub amount probably is way lower than 500k already though.

1 September:

EA Marketing:

We lost the remaining players to Kingdom of Amalur wich knocked our subscriptions even below 10k, it has nothing to do with GW2.

We are going to take an aggrasive stand versys The game Kingdom of Amalur and make some adjustments to our Pay to Win cashshop.

Also by the end of the year we will have more players then WoW and GW2 combined.

The update contains 1 expansion named:

Spacebar in Illum.

All jokes asside tough, i payed 2x for this game for a total of a 160 euro.....Worste money spend ever.