Originally posted by Xobdnas

From all of the polls ive been seeing over the interweb it appears the 2 above races are very unpopular despite having some of the most aesthetic detail. I think this is due to the large size and, more importantly, the fact that they feel like they move in slow motion. I was set on rolling one of each but after beta have 0 desire to play either, and it looks like im not alone. Anet should consider reworking run animations at the very least. I tried making the shortest of both races but the run was the same despite the height. Its sad to have to ignore 2 uber tough looking races for such a small detail. Of the 2 i would say norn's ice skating run is the more serious issue. I know they are from the north, but they dont have that much ice.

In WoW, humans are the #1 played race with 19%.   After that, in order, it's:   Blood Elf, Night Elf, Worgen, Draenai, Orc, Troll, Dwarf, Gnome, Goblin

Methodology: 

For this analysis, 2,113,286 characters were recorded (as of July 27, 2012). The data were collected by the installable add-on program "Warcraft CensusPlus UI Mod", i.e. only players who have installed this add-on program can be recorded for this analysis.

And that's really typical in MMOs as far as I've played.   You'll get a lot of humans.   You'll get a bunch in the non-human 'pretty' races (elves).   Then it drops hard.

This thread is kind of pointless.  The big ugly races never get picked as much... it's not a new trend.

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Hitboxes are the same? So, if an Asura stands in front of Charr, and i click on Charr's head, i'll select an Asura?

I'll try to illustrate:

So you're saying that in this situation i'll select an Asura instead of Charr, since his hitbox for the purpose of checking if cursor is pointing at him is the same size as that of a charr?

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Charr, Norn and Asura are my top 3 races in the game so far, with Asura being my favorite. I plan to roll characters of all 3 races. Humans look to "pretty" and the plant people just don't do it for me.

The only issue I have with the Charr is how the head gear wraps around the head. It just looks strange to me. I usually turn off head gear anyway though.

What's up buddy? 

 

Head gear haha. I had forgot that in 99% of mmos your gear is how you look.

Hey bud, I see that you've been very active on these forums lately, ran out of content in TSW already?

No worries, with transmutation stones, you'll be able to design your own personalized look and the good thing is that you won't ever have to deal with multislot outfits.

14 days /played and still going strong. Not enogh time in the day to get it all done. 1st chapter in 2 days aswell. Funny people think they beat the game lol.

Muliti slot? who wares that stuff?

Despite who is selected, if you have the charr targetted and he is behind the asura, if your don't scatter upon attacking the charr, the asura in front would get damage also. Skills in this game don't influence only the person targetted, and often times I find the need to manually target at all the be almost non existant. The way the game automatically targets the nearest enemy upon using a skill pretty much makes manual targetting a feature I rarely use.

Also, the issue with the example proposed isn't with the hitbox size, but with its placement. Obviously a shorter race would have a hitbox that is lower to the ground. Using a larger alternate race making the height difference even more prominent didn't help either, since the charr's hitbox would be higher up than a human's.

2 Aishirami

Yea, i know that GW2 has true collision, so i wont hit Charr behind an Asura, but since i selected him because of him being bigger, and now i'm always attacking him, overall he will get more pounding unless he's always hiding behind somebody. In case of, for example, us chasing them, he'll most likely get picked off, slowed immobilised and killed, rather than the small guy, even though the small guy can absorb the first hit if he still stays in front of him when my attack is fired. Small guy dodges to the side - i continute having the Charr selected and continue attacking him, since i selected him before. The game doesnt re-target to a new closer target each time, so first target aquisition still has impact.

Originally posted by IstrebiteI

2 Aishirami

Yea, i know that GW2 has true collision, so i wont hit Charr behind an Asura, but since i selected him because of him being bigger, and now i'm always attacking him, overall he will get more pounding unless he's always hiding behind somebody. In case of, for example, us chasing them, he'll most likely get picked off, slowed immobilised and killed, rather than the small guy, even though the small guy can absorb the first hit if he still stays in front of him when my attack is fired. Small guy dodges to the side - i continute having the Charr selected and continue attacking him, since i selected him before. The game doesnt re-target to a new closer target each time, so first target aquisition still has impact.

That, again, has nothing to do with hitbox size. It is the hitbox placement relative to the ground that is the cause for the charr being selected. There is nothing you can do to change the fact that objects up off the ground are more noticable (and most click at around eye level by habit when trying to select a target.) than something very close to the ground. People just have to get used to clicking lower to the ground, or maybe a bit more accurately since the image of the player itself is smaller and less noticable.

Originally posted by nyxxis

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

i like norn, i dont play them because their storyline is drenched in this religious hokus pokus bullshit that i dont want to swallow.

LOL Funniest comment I have seen in awhile. So very hard to not make a total troll post....

You afraid they are going to trick you into following their game lore religion?

Better be careful, you might start spouting the power of the bear and wisdom of the raven to your friends and familly.

 

I had the same feeling about the charr and norn and their sluggish feel, but It looks and feels epic when running with others, its a feeling that is really hard to beat.

 

 

If i couldve be tricked into a religion id be religious already. I am not.

I just dont want to watch them talk about saving the spirit world to purify the soul and blah blah blah.

Originally posted by IstrebiteI

2 Selenite

Hitboxes are the same? So, if an Asura stands in front of Charr, and i click on Charr's head, i'll select an Asura?

 

I'll try to illustrate:

	Charr					<-- Click here		Me
	Charr							Me
	Charr			Asura				Me

 

So you're saying that in this situation i'll select an Asura instead of Charr, since his hitbox for the purpose of checking if cursor is pointing at him is the same size as that of a charr?

You seem to be assuming that the hit box for the asura is the size of the char model..?

The hit box is smaller then the char, and bigger then the asura.

Yeh i am pretty sure they will be as popular as Asura and Sylvari,  likely more given the fact most gamers are either teenage boys or 40 year old versions of teenage boys.  The only reason they were fewer this last time around was due to Sylvari and Asura first being presented.

Also this is not darkfall,  while the combat is action oriented its still a tab based targeting system.

Honestly, I think Charr are going to be one of the more popular races.  Plant people probably the least, IMO.

Basically, the issue has nothing to do with hitboxes, and everything to do with people being morons who think that smaller=harder to target/hit. Unfortunately, that may actually mean something in pvp, because player perception does sometimes supercede reality.

Oh and to those that doubt the hitbox size of the Asura...try to walk under something that's  a foot or two above your head. Notice that you can't. 

Originally posted by terrant

Basically, the issue has nothing to do with hitboxes, and everything to do with people being morons who think that smaller=harder to target/hit. Unfortunately, that may actually mean something in pvp, because player perception does sometimes supercede reality.

 

Oh and to those that doubt the hitbox size of the Asura...try to walk under something that's  a foot or two above your head. Notice that you can't. 

LOL oh that even removes the issue of height difference in my posts. Esentially, anyone acusing the asura of being harder to click on is really just not skilled enough with hand-eye-coordination to click where they want to click at the necessary speed to target accurately. The other reason would only be that they where getting ridaculed for being less skilled than others, and could only make delussional excuses to claim they weren't.

And delussional is a very accurate description of this excuse, since the excuse does not exist.

Really, at this point, this thread should just get locked.

Originally posted by Xobdnas

From all of the polls ive been seeing over the interweb it appears the 2 above races are very unpopular despite having some of the most aesthetic detail. I think this is due to the large size and, more importantly, the fact that they feel like they move in slow motion. I was set on rolling one of each but after beta have 0 desire to play either, and it looks like im not alone. Anet should consider reworking run animations at the very least. I tried making the shortest of both races but the run was the same despite the height. Its sad to have to ignore 2 uber tough looking races for such a small detail. Of the 2 i would say norn's ice skating run is the more serious issue. I know they are from the north, but they dont have that much ice.

I agree. I feel like they move in slow motion as well and will not be rolling either.. It's too bad b/c I really liked the Norn race. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Charr, Norn and Asura are my top 3 races in the game so far, with Asura being my favorite. I plan to roll characters of all 3 races. Humans look to "pretty" and the plant people just don't do it for me.

The only issue I have with the Charr is how the head gear wraps around the head. It just looks strange to me. I usually turn off head gear anyway though.

What's up buddy? 

 

Head gear haha. I had forgot that in 99% of mmos your gear is how you look.

Hey bud, I see that you've been very active on these forums lately, ran out of content in TSW already?

No worries, with transmutation stones, you'll be able to design your own personalized look and the good thing is that you won't ever have to deal with multislot outfits.

14 days /played and still going strong. Not enogh time in the day to get it all done. 1st chapter in 2 days aswell. Funny people think they beat the game lol.

 

Muliti slot? who wares that stuff?

14 days played?! I finished all of the story and quest content in about 4-5 days /played and ran all of the instances once. Have you been leaving the game on while going to work?

Edit: oh and magus is by far the best outfit in the game, multislot or not.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Charr, Norn and Asura are my top 3 races in the game so far, with Asura being my favorite. I plan to roll characters of all 3 races. Humans look to "pretty" and the plant people just don't do it for me.

The only issue I have with the Charr is how the head gear wraps around the head. It just looks strange to me. I usually turn off head gear anyway though.

What's up buddy? 

 

Head gear haha. I had forgot that in 99% of mmos your gear is how you look.

Hey bud, I see that you've been very active on these forums lately, ran out of content in TSW already?

No worries, with transmutation stones, you'll be able to design your own personalized look and the good thing is that you won't ever have to deal with multislot outfits.

14 days /played and still going strong. Not enogh time in the day to get it all done. 1st chapter in 2 days aswell. Funny people think they beat the game lol.

 

Muliti slot? who wares that stuff?

14 days played?! I finished all of the story and quest content in about 4-5 days /played and ran all of the instances once. Have you been leaving the game on while going to work?

Makes we wonder also.  A majority of  the missions in the game don't even take that long to finish.  Well,  unless you stay on 1 investigation mission for hours on end.  I usually just skip them and go do the other missions and just complete them last.  That way you have the others on reset timers.

Originally posted by bcbully

wow I said the same thing above this post. When people talk about animations, chars are immediately what I picture... This is why I think GW2's animations are lacking for the most part, oh and smoke all over the place anytime something uses an ability.

Have you seen Archeage's animations?  The race that gets down on all fours to run is way worse than the Charr.  Their animation looks like a full sprint, yet they move the same speed as everyone else.  It's like Tom and Jerry on a treadmill.

Originally posted by DJJazzy

a "Serious" problem eh? Those are the first two races I'll be rolling, I like them. I don't really see the issue. The Asura and Silvari were shown for everyone for the first time last week, of course they will be popular. And humans are always popular in every game. It will equalize out.

Agreed. Even if it doesn't even out... who cares? Does it really matter if the world is full of Azsura?

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by bcbully

wow I said the same thing above this post. When people talk about animations, chars are immediately what I picture... This is why I think GW2's animations are lacking for the most part, oh and smoke all over the place anytime something uses an ability.

Have you seen Archeage's animations?  The race that gets down on all fours to run is way worse than the Charr.  Their animation looks like a full sprint, yet they move the same speed as everyone else.  It's like Tom and Jerry on a treadmill.

I'm honestly not sure what bully is talking about. GW2 has some of the best animations I have seen in an MMO. Even the Charr. I think he's just nitpicking.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by bcbully

wow I said the same thing above this post. When people talk about animations, chars are immediately what I picture... This is why I think GW2's animations are lacking for the most part, oh and smoke all over the place anytime something uses an ability.

Have you seen Archeage's animations?  The race that gets down on all fours to run is way worse than the Charr.  Their animation looks like a full sprint, yet they move the same speed as everyone else.  It's like Tom and Jerry on a treadmill.

I'm honestly not sure what bully is talking about. GW2 has some of the best animations I have seen in an MMO. Even the Charr. I think he's just nitpicking.

I can't believe it. Not bcbully. That would imply he's just looking for some way to cause problems in the GW2 forums!