Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Badaboom

For me the hype was prior to any of the betaweekends.  After playing in the betaweekends all you are left with are truths...and I love the truths that I saw and experienced.

For a lot us gamers, we didn't want to gamble on a pre-purchase for a guarantee of beta weekend access and we were unable to get access through any other avenue. So even though your experiences in game may have dispelled the hype and turned it into pure, unfettered truth, there are many of us who are still being hyped because we simply haven't had the same chance at those experiences.

So for us we're still being hyped (and over-hyped in many cases) for the game.

Also I'd like to add that, for me, my definition of "hype" includes in game experiences reported from others. Hype to me isn't pure marketing bullshit. It's a measure of excitement for the game based on actual experience and expectation from the title, in addition to the marketing spin that game companies love to use.

I like what I'm hearing so far, but it's still hyped like crazy from all angles.

I just wanted to point out that while you're definition of hype is fine, it is a very narrow one, and is definitely not the most commonly accepted.

By using hype, it sends the message to everyone else that this is a game that is 'full of marketting bs', and carries the implication that the hype is somehow based on dishonesty.

While hype has multiple definitions, nearly all of them revolve around deception created by marketting campaigns. That's the problem with using words that have strong stigmas attached.

- Most threads I've seen amount this topic seem to be based around the notion that 'GW2 is overhyped' and thus 'it isn't as good as people say it is' or 'anet clearly hasn't delivered what they promised to'. The problem with this implication is that hype based on hands-on gameplay experience is not dishonest, and is also much more heavily ground in reality.

Originally posted by rygard49

In my case, even if it were only 5 dollars I'd still want to spend that money wisely, and not frivolously on something I may or may not enjoy.

Then as always, we encourage you to do some research.  The Gamer Herd does not constitute a credible and unbiased research source for you, obviously.

Milling around waiting for the herd to approve a purchase for you...well, it'll be, at least, a four week wait. 

It'd be curious if gamers are a trustworthy source -after- release though.  You may never purchase another game again, if you always adopt maximum suspicion.  Those money-back guarantees are damned hard to come by.

Originally posted by rygard49

Also I'd like to add that, for me, my definition of "hype" includes in game experiences reported from others. Hype to me isn't pure marketing bullshit. It's a measure of excitement for the game based on actual experience and expectation from the title, in addition to the marketing spin that game companies love to use.

I like what I'm hearing so far, but it's still hyped like crazy from all angles.

As long as you realize that making up your own definitions of words is likely to leave you confused when reading anything written by others.

So far, I haven't seen any disingenious claims, and geeky developers doing podcasts or writing blogs seems less than "flamboyant or dramatic".

The advertising I have seen has mostly required me to search for it (logging on here, other forums, Anet facebook page, etc). There aren't commercials for it every 5 minutes on primetime TV, there aren't GW2 promoters giving out jello shots and t-shirts at the local strip club, not sure how it's really being "hyped like crazy from all angles. 

Don't like the "hype"? Do yourself a favor and quit hanging around fan forums.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by rygard49

In my case, even if it were only 5 dollars I'd still want to spend that money wisely, and not frivolously on something I may or may not enjoy.

Then as always, we encourage you to do some research.  The Gamer Herd does not constitute a credible and unbiased research source, obviously.

Milling around waiting for the herd to approve something for you...well, it'll be, at least, a four week wait. 

I wonder how much of my post you actually read before snipping the majority and responding to one line... Had you read just one sentence further, you would see that I do, in fact, research my games. And I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that I'd be making any decisions based off the 'Gamer Herd'.

Regardless, since this is a few steps away from the original topic, I'll let this line of discussion go. Back to the Hype!

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by rygard49

In my case, even if it were only 5 dollars I'd still want to spend that money wisely, and not frivolously on something I may or may not enjoy.

Then as always, we encourage you to do some research.  The Gamer Herd does not constitute a credible and unbiased research source, obviously.

Milling around waiting for the herd to approve something for you...well, it'll be, at least, a four week wait. 

I wonder how much of my post you actually read before snipping the majority and responding to one line... Had you read just one sentence further, you would see that I do, in fact, research my games. And I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that I'd be making any decisions based off the 'Gamer Herd'.

Regardless, since this is a few steps away from the original topic, I'll let this line of discussion go. Back to the Hype!

No, you just painted yourself into a corner with maximum paranoia. (I apologise that you missed the edit, it did take a while to construct that additional thought).

Gamer opinion isn't good enough, your own research isn't good enough (post #138).  All that can make your decision to spend some money is those damned unreliable gamers, post-release.  Did I miss some other option?

Originally posted by BigRock411

 

We can look back through the years and see the very same type of overwhelmimg positive opinion for a lot of games prior to launch, games that include AOC/WAR/AION/RIFT/SWTOR theres a lot more but those where the major ones i remember.  Nothing bad was to be said about the listed games, they all were going to be different, ground breaking, had nothing but stellar beta feedback (and when there wasnt stellar beta feedback anything negative was flamed to dust).

 

Well, there are a couple of things I think are important to note...

One: Most of those other games had dev/pub/media driven hype. Most of the hype for GW2 is player driven imo.

Two: Those games were very careful about what they showed you and promised things they didn't have(i.e. 6 cities for WAR, content over lvl 20 for AOC, an actual playable game for SWTOR(and yes, I know people will argue with that. *shrug), etc)), Arenanet doesn't seem to do that, and they have publicly stated that talking about things that are just good ideas but aren't in a state where they are pretty much guaranteed is against their policy.

Three: Arenanet actually listens to beta tester feedback and makes changes on it, sometimes several times in the course of the same weekend. We had other games that didn't implement overwhelming player feedback during the entire course of the beta...

Four: It really does feel like a different experience. While each of the others had their own twist, they all had a certain sameness to the way they felt... This feels different, at least to me.

The truth is that for the box purchase with no monthly subscription and no crippling penalties for not paying monthly(yes, I am looking at you DCUO), even if it is just a fun game for 100 hours, it is more than worth it, in my experience.

Originally posted by Thrashbarg

Originally posted by rygard49

Also I'd like to add that, for me, my definition of "hype" includes in game experiences reported from others. Hype to me isn't pure marketing bullshit. It's a measure of excitement for the game based on actual experience and expectation from the title, in addition to the marketing spin that game companies love to use.

I like what I'm hearing so far, but it's still hyped like crazy from all angles.

As long as you realize that making up your own definitions of words is likely to leave you confused when reading anything written by others.

 

hype

¹    [hahyp]  Show IPA verb, hyped, hyp·ing,noun Informal .

verb (used with object)

1.

to stimulate, excite, or agitate (usually followed by up ): 

She was hyped up at the thought of owning her own car.

2.

to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods;promote or publicize showily: 

a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.

3.

to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity)

 by disingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. 

(usually followed by up ).

4.

to trick; gull.

 

So far, I haven't seen any disingenious claims, and geeky developers doing podcasts or writing blogs seems less than "flamboyant or dramatic".

The advertising I have seen has mostly required me to search for it (logging on here, other forums, Anet facebook page, etc). There aren't commercials for it every 5 minutes on primetime TV, there aren't GW2 promoters giving out jello shots and t-shirts at the local strip club, not sure how it's really being "hyped like crazy from all angles. 

Don't like the "hype"? Do yourself a favor and quit hanging around fan forums.

Quit hanging around the fan forums? But you guys are so friendly here!! You especially, sir or ma'am.

I like that you're posting a definition of the word, and then intentionally ignoring portions of that definition to try to justify why you think my view of hype is wrong.

I'll agree with you that I haven't seen any disingenious marketing or tricks, but I've seen plenty from definitions 1 and 2. I've been excited and stimulated by stories of in game experiences from other players. I've also been flamboyantly advertised to in my email inbox. I remember signing up for beta, but I don't remember signing up to recieve a marketing ad every week telling me to buy the game. And if you don't think developer videos are showy, they're not doing their jobs right.

You're also right that some of the hype has to be sought out, but come on, you can't really come to this website without seeing GW2 all over the front page forum posts. It's not so much 'hanging around fan forums', as it is that the fan forums are dominating my web hangout spot.

I've also never said there was anything wrong with the hype. I'm just saying I've seen a lot of it. My own fault? Partially, but who can blame me?

It is funny how much people hype games just to rip on them when they do finally come out because they havn't fullfilled our every hope and dream.  I don't understand sometimes why people look so much into games when its as simple as lpay it if you like it, don't play it if you don't like it.

This game will probably be fun enough to play for a couple months.

The reason why so many games are failing is because so many games come out theese days.  Back in the day when there was really only Asherons call and Everquest, you knew the populations weren't going anywhere,.  Now, with so many games, you can literally see population migrations when other games come out.

We don't have any attention span and we have no sense of commitment, lol.  Talking from someone that lives in the US where the divorce rate over lifetime is over 70%.  Seeing as we can't even stick to marriage, what makes you think that anyone would stick with a game.

Originally posted by konrad16660

We don't have any attention span and we have no sense of commitment, lol.

We can't even make a decision, our rhetoric won't let us.

Oh, sorry. *cough cough* Dooooooom.

"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot.  'Tis a silly place."

originally posted by BigRock411

 

Im really less interested in the opinions on this game or the game im playing now, or how i have it all wrong that this game is in fact perfect ect...im more curious on the midset thats taken over here, and how people seem to forget the same exact thing happens every single time one of these games launches on high hopes.

I have been down the road many times about the "next great" game. I have seen them launch and crash and even die. I have been in many betas.

In my MMO expereince I have truly been excited about 3 games. The first was EverQuest. The second was World of Warcraft (which I feel was ruined by the players not those that made the game). Lastly is Guild Wars 2.

I have witnessed the trend in MMOs be more and more PvP centeric which has in turned. Turned me further away from them. I am not a person that enjoys hunting and killing fellow players. That is just how I like to play an MMO.

Now if they made an MMO like Guild Wars 2 and placed in mechs like those in MechWarrior. I MIGHT consider doing PvP. (btw before you say there is MechWarrior Online in Beta. I know. I'm in the beta not saying anymore)

I am a person that enjoys the journey in a game. This is the first time I have actually seen an actual jouney to go on in an MMO. No I am not a RPer, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying a game.

This game as been more open with it info then another game I have seen out before it. Their open door policy into how the game is designed, how it look and how its played; is nothing unequalled to date.

This has encouraged me to look into this game further and it is a game I will be playing from the start.