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7/31/12 2:44:24 PM#41
Originally posted by Nitth Check the post above yours to start ^ |
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7/31/12 2:44:58 PM#42
Originally posted by grimal Nope. 1/2 to 2/3 of the country did not have broadband or was just getting it. Major cities had it but not rural areas.  "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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Vannor
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7/31/12 2:45:28 PM#43
Originally posted by grimal I believe you arn't intentionally trolling. I believe 'you' believe they advertised it wrong. But the fact is, they didn't... which is why you are getting such a negative response.  |
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7/31/12 2:46:09 PM#44
It says this right on their website: Rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game). |
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Originally posted by Nefera It's not all that uncommon for the original developer to aim for one thing and the marketing push it as another. Many films these days market themselves as action films but in actual viewing tend to be rather action-less. Second, not everyone searches and scours the internet for what the developers say in interviews. Instead, what they see is the marketing and go off of that. If you can't see this, maybe take a closer look. Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros |
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7/31/12 2:46:48 PM#46
Another laughable content of a thread. Dont know whats worst: the ridiculous rant of the OPs post or the effort people are puting in proving him wrong. Can we have a lock on this please? |
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7/31/12 2:49:52 PM#47
Originally posted by grimal Strain never said that GW was a MMO, you are possibly thinking of the publisher, NC Soft. As for the B2P, the reason he left Blizzard and Wow (which was his idea) was because Morhaime changed his mind and decided it should be P2P. In fact the only reason battle.net is free is because Strain coded it and threatened to quit if Blizzard charged for it. I played GW since 2006 myself but were looking at it already when it released, but I decided I didn´t have time for it at the time. So, yeah, you are just trolling. If there is a reason not to trust ANET it is because neither Strain nor Wyatt work there anymore. GW is an excellent game made with just a few people and it never said it was a MMO. Wow and many other games stole a lot from it´s PvP system though.
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7/31/12 2:50:10 PM#48
Originally posted by Clerigo GW2 fans seem to mostly believe that if they just present the facts enough times, everybody will understand them! It's probably a silly belief to hold. :( I honestly believe that the facts should always be clearly laid out... there's differences of opinion (One person liking one game and not liking another is purely opinion, can't do much about that), but you're not really supposed to have differences of fact. Arenanet and their ads all strongly pushed GW1 as a CORPG. They've never said it was an MMORPG, in any interview, ad, or on the back of their boxes. It's impossible to find such (And easy to find the opposite), so there's a reason why it's making so many people stand up and go 'Wait! To the factmobile! That's not correct, we must correct this person who is obviously misunderstanding! The truth will make them convert!' Fans are, by nature, optimists. :D |
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7/31/12 2:50:12 PM#49
So basically, we should not trust Anet because the OP didn't comprehend what Anet told everyone 8 years ago.
I would like to put in a request to Anet to deliberately screw something up so that the trolls have something at least somewhat legitimate to complain about. All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick. |
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Originally posted by botrytis I don't have the ad page in front of me, but one particular one stands out. It was a full page ad taken out in PCGamer with the headline "The revolution is here". There were other statements or images on that same page suggesting the revolution to be the MMO market (they may not have come out and said Massive Multiplayer Roleplayer Game but used a similar verbage to allude to it). I'll see if I can find that ad and link it (or if anyone has it, please do). Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros |
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7/31/12 2:50:21 PM#51
Originally posted by Clerigo Agreed... If there is a MMORPG dev reading this please lock this thread... it is pointless and useless. |
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7/31/12 2:50:28 PM#52
Before the inevitable lock Let's ask a different question: Why we should trust ANET? Simple answer: Because everything they promised is in the game...
As to the OPs "suggestion", that's garbage, Arenanet never advertised Guild Wars 1 as an MMORPG or a WoW killer. It's funny seeing to what lengths people will go to bash a game with their ignorance Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums |
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7/31/12 2:51:01 PM#53
You should never "trust" any publisher and NCSoft isn't any different. They will all do whatever they can get away with. If their player base bucks it enough they'll back off, if not they'll push on forward. I don't think ANet was disengenuious with Guild Wars in the same way Turbine has been with LotRO, for example. They originally marketed their game as B2P with no cash shop, pointing out that sub fees were a scam that aren't required to maintain an MMO. Yeah, I know it's not an MMO, but really let's not get tied up in idiotic semantics. It's as much of an MMO as any other heavily instanced game. They added a cash shop later and even a bit of advantage to it. There is a reasonable advantage in the starter packs that let you deck out your characters and heroes in max stat gear. There is a reasonable advantage in selling pvp skill pack unlocks. However, it's not game breaking. They didn't ruin the feel and style of their game and they didn't get overly greedy with it like some other freemium publishers and their games (AoC, EQ2, LotRO). Placing "trust" in a corporation like it's your friend is a path to heartache, anger, and disapppointment. |
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7/31/12 2:52:21 PM#54
Originally posted by grimal I also heard about this other product which takes all all the fat from your body without needing to do any excercise and you get to eat as much as you want. There's also another product which grows all the hair on your balding head back; in 3 days! no less! There's another product which cooks entire meals for you without you even needing to buy any food or even buy the product in the first place! amazing isn't it!! |
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7/31/12 2:52:33 PM#55
Originally posted by RizelStar I checked around Google, and it was either Psycho or something related to Narcissistic personality disorder... or maybe that was something else. |
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7/31/12 2:52:44 PM#56
Originally posted by grimal Who? Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not. |
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7/31/12 2:52:48 PM#57
Originally posted by grimal Any proof of that marketing or you are just trolling? Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums |
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7/31/12 2:53:11 PM#58
Originally posted by grimal Grimal, the only person who duped you into buying the game was yourself; YOU duped yourself!! |
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7/31/12 2:53:53 PM#59
Originally posted by Enigmatus For him... I would just do an "all of the above" lol |
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7/31/12 2:54:18 PM#60
Originally posted by grimal
I have just dug out all of my original Guild Wars boxes. All 3 of them (I dl'ed GWEN). The word MMO is not anywhere on any of them. It doesnt say it anywhere on their website, and AFAIK never did. On http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars/default.php it describes the game as having "Multiple cooperative and competitive gameplay modes" Arenanet have never claimed that GW1 was an MMO. Other may have, but ANet never did. You will notice the quotes from various gaming website at the top of the linked page saying "best MMO" etc..... but ANet never claimed it was.... Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom |
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