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  aesperus

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7/31/12 2:44:24 PM#41
Originally posted by Nitth


Originally posted by aesperus
If you want to have a real discussion (and are not honestly trolling), then you may want to get your facts straight first.

 

GW1 isn't (and never was) an MMORPG. The developers even stated as such. The fact that.


I actually went looking for promo vids and cannot find many working ones to see if at one stage, they did market it as mmorpg.

To that end, and for clarity. Can you cite a reference claiming it a co-op rpg?

Check the post above yours to start ^

  botrytis

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7/31/12 2:44:58 PM#42
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by MattVid
Originally posted by grimal

Play with a modem?  The game was released in 2005.  Who didn't have broadband options by that time?

More assumptions, just like your OP. I can't say I am surprised. There are still places in the US that don't have broadband options even in 2012.

Most of Australia didn't have broadband at that time. Most places outside of the UK, Europe and the US didnt actually.

ok.  In the US was fairly common i believe.

Nope. 1/2 to 2/3 of the country did not have broadband or was just getting it. Major cities had it but not rural areas.

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  Vannor

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7/31/12 2:45:28 PM#43
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by GamerUntouch

Right this straw grasping is getting so pathetic that I'm not sure if you're trolling anymore.

how is this trolling? Game company releases game suggesting to audience it is something which it isn't.  Player feels burned.  Player doesn't trust company on new release.  How in the world is that straw grasping?

We're not talking about buying a bicycle and expecting to  get a car...we're talking about a game that was advertised to be the revolution of the new forming genre.  What don't you see here?

I believe you arn't intentionally trolling. I believe 'you' believe they advertised it wrong. But the fact is, they didn't... which is why you are getting such a negative response.

  DJJazzy

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7/31/12 2:46:09 PM#44

It says this right on their website:

Rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game).

  grimal

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OP  7/31/12 2:46:24 PM#45
Originally posted by Nefera

So let me get this straight - you're saying people should not trust ArenaNet, because you thought you were buying a MMO when the company was coming out clear that they were making a CORPG, not a traditional MMO? And because you realized it wasn't what you thought it was, but exactly what the developers were saying it would be, we should not trust the developer?

It's not all that uncommon for the original developer to aim for one thing and the marketing push it as another.  Many films these days market themselves as action films but in actual viewing tend to be rather action-less.

Second, not everyone searches and scours the internet for what the developers say in interviews.  Instead, what they see is the marketing and go off of that. 

If you can't see this, maybe take a closer look.

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  Clerigo

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7/31/12 2:46:48 PM#46

Another laughable content of a thread.

Dont know whats worst: the ridiculous rant of the OPs post or the effort people are puting in proving him wrong.

Can we have a lock on this please?

  Loke666

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7/31/12 2:49:52 PM#47
Originally posted by grimal

Simple: Guild Wars.

Prior to it's release, it was touted as the "revolution" of the MMO genre.  Most clamored to this new B2P model thinking it would overthrow WoW and other P2P titles.  A few days in and people realized the gravest of all errors:  the game wasn't even an MMO, but a COOP game with a lobby system.

I, for one, fell for the hype back the.  I am determined not to make the same mistake again with this company.

P.S. Not a troll/flame thread.  But a real discussion as to why people might not be trusting of ANET.

Strain never said that GW was a MMO, you are possibly thinking of the publisher, NC Soft.

As for the B2P, the reason he left Blizzard and Wow (which was his idea) was because Morhaime changed his mind and decided it should be P2P. In fact the only reason battle.net is free is because Strain coded it and threatened to quit if Blizzard charged for it.

I played GW since 2006 myself but were looking at it already when it released, but I decided I didn´t have time for it at the time.

So, yeah, you are just trolling.

If there is a reason not to trust ANET it is because neither Strain nor Wyatt work there anymore. GW is an excellent game made with just a few people and it never said it was a MMO. Wow and many other games stole a lot from it´s PvP system though.

 

  Meowhead

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7/31/12 2:50:10 PM#48
Originally posted by Clerigo

Another laughable content of a thread.

Dont know whats worst: the ridiculous rant of the OPs post or the effort people are puting in proving him wrong.

Can we have a lock on this please?

 GW2 fans seem to mostly believe that if they just present the facts enough times, everybody will understand them!

It's probably a silly belief to hold. :(

I honestly believe that the facts should always be clearly laid out... there's differences of opinion (One person liking one game and not liking another is purely opinion, can't do much about that), but you're not really supposed to have differences of fact.

Arenanet and their ads all strongly pushed GW1 as a CORPG.  They've never said it was an MMORPG, in any interview, ad, or on the back of their boxes.  It's impossible to find such (And easy to find the opposite), so there's a reason why it's making so many people stand up and go 'Wait!  To the factmobile!  That's not correct, we must correct this person who is obviously misunderstanding!  The truth will make them convert!'

Fans are, by nature, optimists. :D

  eyelolled

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7/31/12 2:50:12 PM#49

So basically, we should not trust Anet because the OP didn't comprehend what Anet told everyone 8 years ago.

 

I would like to put in a request to Anet to deliberately screw something up so that the trolls have something at least somewhat legitimate to complain about.

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  grimal

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OP  7/31/12 2:50:14 PM#50
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by grimal

Simple: Guild Wars.

Prior to it's release, it was touted as the "revolution" of the MMO genre.  Most clamored to this new B2P model thinking it would overthrow WoW and other P2P titles.  A few days in and people realized the gravest of all errors:  the game wasn't even an MMO, but a COOP game with a lobby system.

I, for one, fell for the hype back the.  I am determined not to make the same mistake again with this company.

P.S. Not a troll/flame thread.  But a real discussion as to why people might not be trusting of ANET.

 

GW was a great game but it wasn't for everyone. There was nothing wrong with GW because it was a game you could even play when using a modem to dial in. WoW couldn't do that and many others of the same era couldn't say that either.

You have given no reason why GW is the reason not to trust A.Net. The game was exactly as it was described. I can't find fault with that. You gave no explanations so my conclusion is that this is really a flame/troll thread.

If you want people to discuss something, you have to give more information. As Johnny said, 'NEED MORE INFO!'

I don't have the ad page in front of me, but one particular one stands out.

It was a full page ad taken out in PCGamer with the headline "The revolution is here".  There were other statements or images on that same page suggesting the revolution to be the MMO market (they may not have come out and said Massive Multiplayer Roleplayer Game but used a similar verbage to allude to it).

I'll see if I can find that ad and link it (or if anyone has it, please do).

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  User Deleted
7/31/12 2:50:21 PM#51
Originally posted by Clerigo

Another laughable content of a thread.

Dont know whats worst: the ridiculous rant of the OPs post or the effort people are puting in proving him wrong.

Can we have a lock on this please?

Agreed...

If there is a MMORPG dev reading this please lock this thread... it is pointless and useless.

  seridan

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7/31/12 2:50:28 PM#52

Before the inevitable lock

Let's ask a different question: Why we should trust ANET?

Simple answer: Because everything they promised is in the game...

 

As to the OPs "suggestion", that's garbage, Arenanet never advertised Guild Wars 1 as an MMORPG or a WoW killer. It's funny seeing to what lengths people will go to bash a game with their ignorance

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  Torvaldr

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7/31/12 2:51:01 PM#53

You should never "trust" any publisher and NCSoft isn't any different.  They will all do whatever they can get away with.  If their player base bucks it enough they'll back off, if not they'll push on forward.

I don't think ANet was disengenuious with Guild Wars in the same way Turbine has been with LotRO, for example.  They originally marketed their game as B2P with no cash shop, pointing out that sub fees were a scam that aren't required to maintain an MMO.  Yeah, I know it's not an MMO, but really let's not get tied up in idiotic semantics.  It's as much of an MMO as any other heavily instanced game.

They added a cash shop later and even a bit of advantage to it.  There is a reasonable advantage in the starter packs that let you deck out your characters and heroes in max stat gear.  There is a reasonable advantage in selling pvp skill pack unlocks.  However, it's not game breaking.  They didn't ruin the feel and style of their game and they didn't get overly greedy with it like some other freemium publishers and their games (AoC, EQ2, LotRO).

Placing "trust" in a corporation like it's your friend is a path to heartache, anger, and disapppointment.

Curse you AquaScum!

  User Deleted
7/31/12 2:52:21 PM#54
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by grimal

Simple: Guild Wars.

Prior to it's release, it was touted as the "revolution" of the MMO genre.  Most clamored to this new B2P model thinking it would overthrow WoW and other P2P titles.  A few days in and people realized the gravest of all errors:  the game wasn't even an MMO, but a COOP game with a lobby system.

I, for one, fell for the hype back the.  I am determined not to make the same mistake again with this company.

P.S. Not a troll/flame thread.  But a real discussion as to why people might not be trusting of ANET.

GW was a great game but it wasn't for everyone. There was nothing wrong with GW because it was a game you could even play when using a modem to dial in. WoW couldn't do that and many others of the same era couldn't say that either.

You have given no reason why GW is the reason not to trust A.Net. The game was exactly as it was described. I can't find fault with that. You gave no explanations so my conclusion is that this is really a flame/troll thread.

If you want people to discuss something, you have to give more information. As Johnny said, 'NEED MORE INFO!'

I don't have the ad page in front of me, but one particular one stands out.

It was a full page ad taken out in PCGamer with the headline "The revolution is here".  There were other statements or images on that same page suggesting the revolution to be the MMO market (they may not have come out and said Massive Multiplayer Roleplayer Game but used a similar verbage to allude to it).

I'll see if I can find that ad and link it (or if anyone has it, please do).

I also heard about this other product which takes all all the fat from your body without needing to do any excercise and you get to eat as much as you want. There's also another product which grows all the hair on your balding head back; in 3 days! no less!

There's another product which cooks entire meals for you without you even needing to buy any food or even buy the product in the first place! amazing isn't it!!

  User Deleted
7/31/12 2:52:33 PM#55
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by GamerUntouch

Right this straw grasping is getting so pathetic that I'm not sure if you're trolling anymore.

how is this trolling? Game company releases game suggesting to audience it is something which it isn't.  Player feels burned.  Player doesn't trust company on new release.  How in the world is that straw grasping?

 

We're not talking about buying a bicycle and expecting to  get a car...we're talking about a game that was advertised to be the revolution of the new forming genre.  What don't you see here?

Oh my God he is serious, this can't be, like what's that word called when someone is literally believing in their lies or something, started with a P and I might have the definition completely off.

I checked around Google, and it was either Psycho or something related to Narcissistic personality disorder...

or maybe that was something else.

  Amjoco

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7/31/12 2:52:44 PM#56
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by WhiteProphet

Lol I and many more love gw, been playing it for 7 years. And after some 3 years in gw i tried wow. Just couldn't play it compered to gw it was a gear grind trash. Just how I felt. I wes never bothered with the world not being open and stuff, pvp was even ground for everyone and requierd skill in creating builds and coordiantion in a team. Gw was my best "mmo" expirience and i hope gw2 will replace it since nothing else in the recent years could.

Well thats just how i fell about it.

That's cool.  But there were many people who felt they were duped into buying a game that was marketed as something else.

Who?

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  seridan

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7/31/12 2:52:48 PM#57
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by WhiteProphet

Lol I and many more love gw, been playing it for 7 years. And after some 3 years in gw i tried wow. Just couldn't play it compered to gw it was a gear grind trash. Just how I felt. I wes never bothered with the world not being open and stuff, pvp was even ground for everyone and requierd skill in creating builds and coordiantion in a team. Gw was my best "mmo" expirience and i hope gw2 will replace it since nothing else in the recent years could.

Well thats just how i fell about it.

That's cool.  But there were many people who felt they were duped into buying a game that was marketed as something else.

Any proof of that marketing or you are just trolling?

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  User Deleted
7/31/12 2:53:11 PM#58
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by WhiteProphet

Lol I and many more love gw, been playing it for 7 years. And after some 3 years in gw i tried wow. Just couldn't play it compered to gw it was a gear grind trash. Just how I felt. I wes never bothered with the world not being open and stuff, pvp was even ground for everyone and requierd skill in creating builds and coordiantion in a team. Gw was my best "mmo" expirience and i hope gw2 will replace it since nothing else in the recent years could.

Well thats just how i fell about it.

That's cool.  But there were many people who felt they were duped into buying a game that was marketed as something else.

Grimal, the only person who duped you into buying the game was yourself; YOU duped yourself!!

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7/31/12 2:53:53 PM#59
Originally posted by Enigmatus
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by GamerUntouch

Right this straw grasping is getting so pathetic that I'm not sure if you're trolling anymore.

how is this trolling? Game company releases game suggesting to audience it is something which it isn't.  Player feels burned.  Player doesn't trust company on new release.  How in the world is that straw grasping?

 

We're not talking about buying a bicycle and expecting to  get a car...we're talking about a game that was advertised to be the revolution of the new forming genre.  What don't you see here?

Oh my God he is serious, this can't be, like what's that word called when someone is literally believing in their lies or something, started with a P and I might have the definition completely off.

I checked around Google, and it was either Psycho or something related to Narcissistic personality disorder...

or maybe that was something else.

For him... I would just do an "all of the above" lol

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7/31/12 2:54:18 PM#60
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by Nefera

Why would you think it was a MMO, when the company never called it one? They said prior to release that it was a CORPG, not a MMO.

I remember it being marketed as an MMO.  I don't recall them saying that at all.

 

I have just dug out all of my original Guild Wars boxes. All 3 of them (I dl'ed GWEN). The word MMO is not anywhere on any of them. It doesnt say it anywhere on their website, and AFAIK never did. On http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars/default.php it describes the game as having "Multiple cooperative and competitive gameplay modes"

Arenanet have never claimed that GW1 was an MMO. Other may have, but ANet never did. You will notice the quotes from various gaming website at the top of the linked page saying "best MMO" etc..... but ANet never claimed it was....

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