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  Kyus_HoB

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7/30/12 11:14:39 AM#21

The thief is just about spot on at the moment, I plan to play one on release. It has some great group potential I think a lot of the complainers were not looking further than there previous rogue/assassin experiences and coming up with issues from that.

The mesmer is in the most need of help, whilst it has a few powerful builds its a class that is very pigeon holed and it has lack luster boring utility skills.

  Kuppa

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7/30/12 11:21:33 AM#22
Originally posted by Kyus_HoB

The thief is just about spot on at the moment, I plan to play one on release. It has some great group potential I think a lot of the complainers were not looking further than there previous rogue/assassin experiences and coming up with issues from that.

The mesmer is in the most need of help, whilst it has a few powerful builds its a class that is very pigeon holed and it has lack luster boring utility skills.

It seems like the mesmer is one of those classes that many are complaining about since its not a straight up power class. Mesmer was my fav class in GW1, unfortunately the reasons why I loved the mesmer in GW1 are not exactly here in GW2. I loved my backfire and empathy build, or my illusionary wpn build. The case in GW2 is that the closest I can get to my backfire empathy build is with confusion(http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusion).

I want to try a confusion mesmer build to see how effective it can be in pvp to have folks kill themselves :)

Unfortunately there isn't an equivalent(that I know of) for empathy. Seems like this time around mesmers are much different than the originals.


  terrant

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7/30/12 11:25:09 AM#23
Originally posted by aesperus

Ya. The funny thing is, you can tell it's balanced when the amount of QQing each class does is even. When every class thinks every other class is OP, then you know the game is in a good spot.

I will say, though, that most of the whinning I see on the mesmer / engineer forums is blown way out of proportion. Mesmers and guardians are the 2 classes that are more or less indispensible in PvP. I have yet to see a good PvP role without both. Engineers are also pretty common, because they are really good at handling a lot of different situations, and are pretty durable. It all comes down to skill, though.

Necro, I can understand the complaint about the deathshroud nerfs, but it's nothing that'll break the class. They are still a VERY strong class in a lot of ways.

Warrior's are really the only class I'm somewhat worried about. They are in a pretty good spot right now (they have quite a few viable builds), but Anet did a number on them in GW1. They went from being godly in PvP to being an almost complete joke. I hope they don't repeate that mistake in GW2 =/.

This is another YMMV type thing.  I can't see Mesmers as necessary in PvP (and I consider that my "main" class!).  Ditto with guardians. They're better out-of-the-box at support than anyone else, but most professions have a build that will rival if not beat them in some ways. Necros...Well i feel bad for them a little, but DS was kinda ridiculous for a bit there.

 

Warriors right now in GW2 are probably a litlte too strong on specific builds (100 blades...), but fine in others. 

 

One of the things I hate about small group sPvP is it causes issues like this. 1-2 builds can completely change everything. In WvW, there's so many people these kinds of issues aren't as crippling.

 

EDIT: And Kuppa, not to derail the thread more, but Confusion is a little...special right now. It's nowhere near the punishment build we had in GW1. The class really is completely different in many ways. Which isn't necessairly a bad thing. I do hope they give Confusion some love though.

  Avanah

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7/30/12 11:30:36 AM#24
Originally posted by OldManFunk

I played Thief for BWE3 and really liked it.

 

I think a lot of BWE players were looking for glass cannon builds since everyone is new to the game and doesn't have the class/build strategies down.

It will be nice not to have a FotM class yet. Don't you think?:)

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  Zeroxin

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7/30/12 11:34:28 AM#25

The people who said they were weak are people who compare them to other professions. Apparently in every type of build, there's a profession that can do it better than the thief. Whether it be support or spike, those people believe that the thief does not excel at anything and would not be preferable over other professions.

I believe the people who say those kinds of things are blind and just want someone with brains to come in and show them how to play the class.

This is not a game.

  Zeroxin

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7/30/12 11:38:05 AM#26
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Kyus_HoB

The thief is just about spot on at the moment, I plan to play one on release. It has some great group potential I think a lot of the complainers were not looking further than there previous rogue/assassin experiences and coming up with issues from that.

The mesmer is in the most need of help, whilst it has a few powerful builds its a class that is very pigeon holed and it has lack luster boring utility skills.

It seems like the mesmer is one of those classes that many are complaining about since its not a straight up power class. Mesmer was my fav class in GW1, unfortunately the reasons why I loved the mesmer in GW1 are not exactly here in GW2. I loved my backfire and empathy build, or my illusionary wpn build. The case in GW2 is that the closest I can get to my backfire empathy build is with confusion(http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusion).

I want to try a confusion mesmer build to see how effective it can be in pvp to have folks kill themselves :)

Unfortunately there isn't an equivalent(that I know of) for empathy. Seems like this time around mesmers are much different than the originals.

There was supposed to be a phantasm that attacked a target if the target used a skill but I don't think that made it to primetime. Maybe it was too powerful or maybe they are still tweaking it but they've mentioned it more than once about a month ago and I find it funny that we didn't get to see it, if it even still exists.

This is not a game.

  Tierless

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OP  7/30/12 11:41:32 AM#27


Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Xobdnas Interesting how a beta test can impact gameplay. Thieves were overpowered in beta and players flocked to the profession likes rats to a barrel of cheese. Thief is generally now a top 2 in the various polls around the interwebs despite history showing us that a thief/rogue is a relatively unpopular profession/class in any mmo. With Anet saying Thief will be getting rebalanced/nerfed between now and launch I expect the game to launch with a high Thief pop, then as the cries of underpoweredness ring out, the thief populaion will pop back to where it normally is, which is a fairly low played class. Just an interesting observation. MMO players are a fickle lot, especially when they don't feel powerful.
You could have said this instead and it would have sounded just as plausible.  Subjective generalization is a subjective generalization without any details in the analysis or links to referenced polls.  

If you want data, google for it, the polls all over the interwebs. I just provide an opinion and observation based main course for free, the sides will cost extra..

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Epierce41

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7/30/12 11:55:18 AM#28

I'll preface this by saying I played a lot of WvW in the beta events, but no sPvP.  So my view is just from a wvw standpoint.

 

I didn't think the thief was UP even after the nerfs.  If anything it was a little OP before and they got it pretty close to fixed.  When I played it though, my main focus was mobility, not glass cannon builds/burst damage.  I wanted to be able to move all over the battlefield to the point where it seemed like I was in multiple places at once.  The thief is able to do that.  Load your build up with shadowsteps and you can sow major confusion in the enemy ranks.  Not to mention it has one of the best if not the best escape potential of any class.  Shadow step + infiltrator's arrow = I just teleported farther than you can shoot.

If you prefer to run with the zerg, scorpion wire = insta kill in WvW.  One of my favorite activities was snagging the occasional over aggressive elementalist and pulling him into the middle of our group to be eaten alive.

You may not get a lot of kills, but there is no question about your value to a team.

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