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  sagil

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OP  7/29/12 3:14:04 AM#1

More info at http://bless-scroll.com/.

  InfinityD

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7/29/12 10:12:01 PM#2

Not much info at all, and I can't even seem to find Gabe Newells legit twitter.

  Gabby-air

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7/29/12 10:26:05 PM#3

I'm still unable to figure out why exactly he thinks so, same with the Blizzard comment. Only thing that comes to mind is windows store taking a 30% revenue cut but that I believe is only for metro apps. 

  DeserttFoxx

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7/29/12 10:33:09 PM#4

Remember the good old days.. when journalists and reporters of any sort where required to post their sources before creating articles.

 

This post doesnt mean shit because there is no proof blizzard or steam made any such comments.

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  VirgoThree

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7/29/12 11:51:39 PM#5

I lead the QA department for a Retail Utilities Software team, and all of my co-workers have been doom and gloom about Windows 8 every since we had to start working with it. I personally think it is a bit overblown, but a lot of it from my co-workers (i.e. the software engineers) see it as a failure purely for its touch driven interface.

Our business is driven by useability because our target demographic are older men (generally 40 or 50+) who do not know how to maintain their system. A lot of people believe that this less tech savy demographic is going to have a hell of  time learning how to navigate their system. But with anything new, I think it may take a small amount of adjusting and once they find their browser, and office apps. Then all should be well. Although that's just my opinion :)

I personally would like to see how wi 8 unfolds as I'm still on the fence as to whether I'd upgrade or not. I honestly don't need the upgrade, so it would really be for the sake of seeing the new shiny baubble at this point.

  Pynda

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7/30/12 1:51:16 AM#6


Originally posted by VirgoThree
our target demographic are older men (generally 40 or 50+) who do not know how to maintain their system.


I'll admit that I'm a 40 to 50 year old man who doesn't yet know a great deal about Windows 8. However I sure do know about building, maintaining, and operating my own computers. And the impression I'm getting with regards to Win 8 is that it is all about trying to work within the severely limited functionality of mobile gadgets. Even if that means dumbing down the traditional desktop operating system in an attempt to maintain a similarity of the interface. All this so the idiot younger generation can tweet, text, social network, and look cool without having to learn anything different.


Frankly, I wish Microsoft would continue to support serious and efficient desktop computing. Or at least continue to clearly delineate separate markets (i.e. with Windows Moblile). And let Apple worry about taking care of the fashionistas.

  Drakynn

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7/30/12 2:02:29 AM#7

for what it's worth from a few days ago

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18996377

 

I think that's a credible source.

 

  VirgoThree

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7/30/12 2:03:33 AM#8
Originally posted by Pynda

 


Originally posted by VirgoThree
our target demographic are older men (generally 40 or 50+) who do not know how to maintain their system.

 


I'll admit that I'm a 40 to 50 year old man who doesn't yet know a great deal about Windows 8. However I sure do know about building, maintaining, and operating my own computers. And the impression I'm getting with regards to Win 8 is that it is all about trying to work within the severely limited functionality of mobile gadgets. Even if that means dumbing down the traditional desktop operating system in an attempt to maintain a similarity of the interface. All this so the idiot younger generation can tweet, text, social network, and look cool without having to learn anything different.


Frankly, I wish Microsoft would continue to support serious and efficient desktop computing. Or at least continue to clearly delineate separate markets (i.e. with Windows Moblile). And let Apple worry about taking care of the fashionistas.

I haven't been through the entire interface thuroughly enough yet, but from my experience so far it doesn't feel inheritently dumbed down. The desktop is still there, and explorer functionality is still there. It's just that certain GUI features are abit obfuscated at first glance. They could of done a better job making the new work flow more apparant.

  stayBlind

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7/30/12 2:04:50 AM#9

 Steam is planning on moving to Linux because Windows 8 is, according to them, a catastroph

This would be awesome!

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  Nitth

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7/30/12 2:06:46 AM#10

Persistent metro UI on a secondary screen with desktop on another half the problems would be solved.


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  DaezAster

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7/30/12 2:06:55 AM#11

A friend had the developer preview and it seemed to run well. I didn't like the new features they added but the win7 side seemed clean and efficient. How I wish the x in osx stood for the x in direct x, one can dream.....

  Nitth

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7/30/12 2:07:49 AM#12


Originally posted by stayBlind
 Steam is planning on moving to Linux because Windows 8 is, according to them, a catastrophThis would be awesome!

Lies. flat out lies.


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  Purutzil

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7/30/12 2:08:15 AM#13

Disaster? Nope. In the end we all know the Windows trend. For every good system they make they will have a few crappy iterations between. It took windows 7 to finally move away from XP, and it will likely be Windows 9 or some different naming convention to move people up from 7.

  Bladestrom

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7/30/12 2:11:48 AM#14
A lot of noise about these changes are comming from the Microsoft code shops as they are effectively throwing away the languages and API that devs have been using for 20 years to move to HTML5. I'm one of those devs, and I think it ultimately makes sense to consolidate to 1 language, it is painful ( I need to retrain over the next 2 years while still using .net at work) but better for the consumer. I am not so sure about metro apps themselves, jury is out there.

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  Drakynn

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7/30/12 2:12:40 AM#15
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by stayBlind
 Steam is planning on moving to Linux because Windows 8 is, according to them, a catastrophThis would be awesome!

 

Lies. flat out lies.

Not flat out lies,more of not understanding what was said I think . Valve is certainly workign on a Linux client and want the whoel steam library to be available on it but they aren't totally moving to Linux only on PC's as "moving" implies.

  DOGMA1138

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7/30/12 2:20:51 AM#16

Gosh i wonder why 2 companies who worked so hard to create their own distribution system and ingame stores hate a system with an integraded apps store and the integration of Games for Windows(which has its own market place) into the OS.

 

  fivoroth

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7/30/12 2:22:51 AM#17

Not every iteration of Windows is a success as we all know. If Windows 8 is a failure, they will release Windows 9 lol.

However, in that article they mention that Windows can become a closed operating system. This is the worst thing that can ever happen. Please don't go the Apple way of having the need to control everything. 

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  Nitth

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7/30/12 2:43:00 AM#18


Originally posted by Drakynn

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by stayBlind  Steam is planning on moving to Linux because Windows 8 is, according to them, a catastrophThis would be awesome!
  Lies. flat out lies.
Not flat out lies,more of not understanding what was said I think . Valve is certainly workign on a Linux client and want the whoel steam library to be available on it but they aren't totally moving to Linux only on PC's as "moving" implies.

Steam already exists on linux with the support of wine.

But with 90% of the catalogue developed on Microsoft directx technologies, Its going to be near impossible to have working products straight out the box. if ever.


Before you say "Wine", Wine never gets it right straight out of the box, its going to be a PR nightmare with people demanding refunds for purchased products not working.


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  User Deleted
7/30/12 2:48:57 AM#19

Every other release is a train wreck.  98 ME XP Vista 7 8.

 

Not worried here, I don't ever touch dot zero tech.  Give it 2 service packs and I'll think about it.

  Loke666

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7/30/12 2:51:07 AM#20

To me W8 seems great for laptops with touchscreens and IPAD clones but my PC don´t have touchscreen which kinda makes me miss the good features so I will stay with W7 the next year at least.

Until desktop touchscreens becomes cheap (and if they becomes popular) I think most people will consider this as a mobile platform OS instead of a desktop OS.

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