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  User Deleted
7/29/12 2:09:50 PM#41
Originally posted by Keushpuppy
Originally posted by morbitangel
Originally posted by stragen001

Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

 

seriously a 1 day trial and youre already doing the doom&gloom thing? lmfao

lmfao, got to love the gw2 posters frantic posts.

What does Guild Wars 2 have to do with this? Don't go jumping to conclusions just because someone disagrees with you, sheesh...

  zaylin

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7/29/12 2:17:56 PM#42
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by stragen001
Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

 

How so? its only a day pass

Lets also not forget that alot of people dumped $260 for life time subs.

not to mention people got to get it out of their head that an MMO does not need 1million plus subs to be considered successful. those times are gone,there are to MANY MMOs out now, so the population of MMOers is thined out between the many various MMOs out now.  200k subs x $15 a month = $3,000,000 per month...not bad.

Look at it this way say there are only 3 MMOs to choose from and 3million MMOers on average each MMO mite get a million subs. Now there are 30 MMOs out, that would average out to 100k subs per MMO. This IS why you wont see many up and coming MMOs with more than 300-1mil subs anymore.

  dellirious13

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7/29/12 2:20:51 PM#43
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by stragen001
Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

 

How so? its only a day pass

Lets also not forget that alot of people dumped $260 for life time subs.

4 day pass. Aug 3-6. And it is pretty interesting, seeing that the only MMOs to offer free trial in the first two months of being out have all gone F2P within 1 year of release. If they were satisfied with sales, then they would keep relying on word of mouth selling. Their retail sales (physical copies) are almost non-existant now compared to first couple weeks. And if their digital sales are following that same curve, it is NOT good (as profit margin goes). This also is not including the number of people who have not entered sub information (CC number, or the like), which means MORE lost possible profit. They have a good amount of people playing and subbed, but they obviously have not hit the mark they wanted (and it isn't absurd to venture that they aren't close to their goal, either).

 

EDIT: Remember, this free trial is on top of the buddy keys given to every player. THAT was their "free trial" for people. Now that they are having a weekend long (instead of just 24 hour) free trial on top of those buddy keys is....well, it just strengthens my argument.

  Derpybird

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7/29/12 2:26:15 PM#44

Finding out the number of box sales would be interesting and I look forward to their August investor update.

But Funcom isn't shooting for box sales per se. They're aiming for an average monthly subscriber retention of close to 500k in order to hit their 'best case" financial targets.

So there are two questions: 1) how many decided to start playing and 2) how many are planning to stick around, and will there be enough content on a month-to-month basis in order to keep people paying?

We've heard mixed things on how quickly people are consuming content, so their first live update will give players a sense of what to expect going forward.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  Atlan99

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7/29/12 2:27:59 PM#45
Originally posted by bcbully

People need to remeber TSW is a graphical powerhouse. It flat out wont play on some rigs.

 

I gave my long time IRL casual gaming friend a 24 hour buddy pass to see if he could play it on his laptop. He was getting rdy to leave swtor to play with our other friend and myself.  It would work for him. He needs to upgrade from his WoW era laptop ;) W/o the 24 hour pass he would of bought and been SOL..

Good move imo.

 

This is the biggest reason why AoC got so much heat. How many people bought it and couldn't even play it? I played with an old school mmo guild for AoC launch and 3 of us out of the whole guild could play it with no problems. All three of us had bought gaming rigs just for launch.

This isn't the only reason by any means. It is the reason that gets looked over because no one wants to admit that they can't afford a current computer.

  xRaZAx

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7/29/12 3:09:20 PM#46

Development costs for TSW was $50mill (300 mill NOK)

Q1 Financial Report Funcom showed some financial scenarios

Target scenario

Client sales 30 % higher than Age of Conan
§ Majority of digital client sales
§ Subs/client price as Age of Conan
§ In-game store sales/uptick amounting to
35 % of subs. revenue
§ AO: 30 %, AOC: 100 %
§ Healthy retention; 490,000 average subs

Funcom results
§ First yr revenue est $ 157 million
§ Est. game profit margin: 53 %

Conan-like scenario
§ 1,050,000 client sales first year
§ Poor retention (a bit better than Age of Conan)
280,000 average subscribers

§ Other assumptions as above

 

Funcom results
§ First yr revenue est $ 100 million
§ Est. game profit margin: 43 %

 

http://l3cdn.funcom.com/funcomportal/pdf/investor/2012/funcom_1Q12_presentation.pdf

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  JeroKane

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7/30/12 2:55:21 AM#47
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

  Laromuss

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7/30/12 3:05:41 AM#48
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

actually its not a trial its a buddy pass and can only be given by a person who has already bought the game. 

  cronius77

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7/30/12 3:07:56 AM#49

a smart company will release a free trial for a few days as fast as they can . Waiting forever to release one like SWTOR and other games have done is stupid. Why the hell would you not want to get some of the people on the fence to purchase your product?

  Tonin109

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7/30/12 3:16:48 AM#50
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

how many people can play on a server ? and how many servers so far ?

the one day trial is not enough to make an idea

in my case : on beta first day  it wasnt good, second day i changed my point of view , found the game more interesting than i thought

a couple of days or a free week end could be nice to make your own idea of the game

rift,wow give a lvl 20 trial , in the end i bought rift

so the 1 day trial is kind of ridiculous, i'm sure more people would buy the game if they extend the "free trial", subbing is another question

  JeroKane

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7/30/12 3:22:45 AM#51
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

how many people can play on a server ? and how many servers so far ?

the one day trial is not enough to make an idea

in my case : on beta first day  it wasnt good, second day i changed my point of view , found the game more interesting than i thought

a couple of days or a free week end could be nice to make your own idea of the game

rift,wow give a lvl 20 trial , in the end i bought rift

so the 1 day trial is kind of ridiculous, i'm sure more people would buy the game if they extend the "free trial", subbing is another question

Does it matter how many servers there are?

The only thing that matters is how many people continue on playing and so keep the server population healthy.

Sure, SW:TOR sold 1,7mil copies (due to insane marketing) and had 200 servers. But all that means nothing, when the server populations already started to take a nose dive after just 2 - 3 weeks!

  Tonin109

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7/30/12 3:37:42 AM#52
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

how many people can play on a server ? and how many servers so far ?

the one day trial is not enough to make an idea

in my case : on beta first day  it wasnt good, second day i changed my point of view , found the game more interesting than i thought

a couple of days or a free week end could be nice to make your own idea of the game

rift,wow give a lvl 20 trial , in the end i bought rift

so the 1 day trial is kind of ridiculous, i'm sure more people would buy the game if they extend the "free trial", subbing is another question

Does it matter how many servers there are?

The only thing that matters is how many people continue on playing and so keep the server population healthy.

Sure, SW:TOR sold 1,7mil copies (due to insane marketing) and had 200 servers. But all that means nothing, when the server populations already started to take a nose dive after just 2 - 3 weeks!


calm down ! its just a question just asking  is it hard to say how many servers are there in the game?

dont see the devil each time people ask questions

  Ramanadjinn

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7/30/12 3:44:02 AM#53
Originally posted by Tonin109

 


calm down ! its just a question just asking  is it hard to say how many servers are there in the game?

dont see the devil each time people ask questions

 

i tried to look into it for you.

looks like maybe 7 counting german/french servers. (edit: 8 servers.. i miscounted)

but there is something about the way their servers work that is unique.  i don't think the populations are handled in the same way they are in a game like WOW or SWTOR.

the details are unknown to me.

  Loke666

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7/30/12 3:44:08 AM#54
Originally posted by stragen001

Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

I am surprised not all MMOs do that from a week after launch.

But I don´t think it outsold AoC or anything anyways, die hard MMO fans bought it but my none MMO fanatic gamer friends havn´t heard about it.

  JeroKane

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7/30/12 3:44:30 AM#55
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

how many people can play on a server ? and how many servers so far ?

the one day trial is not enough to make an idea

in my case : on beta first day  it wasnt good, second day i changed my point of view , found the game more interesting than i thought

a couple of days or a free week end could be nice to make your own idea of the game

rift,wow give a lvl 20 trial , in the end i bought rift

so the 1 day trial is kind of ridiculous, i'm sure more people would buy the game if they extend the "free trial", subbing is another question

Does it matter how many servers there are?

The only thing that matters is how many people continue on playing and so keep the server population healthy.

Sure, SW:TOR sold 1,7mil copies (due to insane marketing) and had 200 servers. But all that means nothing, when the server populations already started to take a nose dive after just 2 - 3 weeks!


calm down ! its just a question just asking  is it hard to say how many servers are there in the game?

dont see the devil each time people ask questions

?? It was a very calm response. So I think it's you that need to cool off a bit lol.

  Tonin109

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7/30/12 3:56:29 AM#56
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Tonin109
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by stragen001

There is a long history of it with MMOs. IF TSW had sold millions of copies and had millions of subs, they would not be offering a free trial. MMOs only start offering free trials when they arent doing well. 

 Like World of Warcraft...

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but yes, exactly like world of warcraft. Their sub numbers start declining, they introduce a free trial. 

WoW had a free trial as long as I can remember.

Ofcourse not in the first months and everyone knows damn well why. Tjeez.

2004 was a different time. How many times do we need to beat this poor dead horse?

Everyone knew TSW was going to be a niche game. Even Funcom themselves knew that.

They let the game rely on viral marketing and mouth to mouth advertising. Start small, grow over time.

These one day passes are part of that.

 

Fact is! The servers (dimensions) are booming with people. They are still full during primetimes each day. And that after 4 weeks.

So they already doing better than SW:TOR did, that already saw a rapid decline of server activity after just 2-3 weeks.

how many people can play on a server ? and how many servers so far ?

the one day trial is not enough to make an idea

in my case : on beta first day  it wasnt good, second day i changed my point of view , found the game more interesting than i thought

a couple of days or a free week end could be nice to make your own idea of the game

rift,wow give a lvl 20 trial , in the end i bought rift

so the 1 day trial is kind of ridiculous, i'm sure more people would buy the game if they extend the "free trial", subbing is another question

Does it matter how many servers there are?

The only thing that matters is how many people continue on playing and so keep the server population healthy.

Sure, SW:TOR sold 1,7mil copies (due to insane marketing) and had 200 servers. But all that means nothing, when the server populations already started to take a nose dive after just 2 - 3 weeks!


calm down ! its just a question just asking  is it hard to say how many servers are there in the game?

dont see the devil each time people ask questions

?? It was a very calm response. So I think it's you that need to cool off a bit lol.

so why didnt you answer my simple question ? ^_^

and i'm calm dont worry for me :)

@Ramanadjin: thank you for the info :) , if all servers are full it gives you an idea on how "populated" is the game

  Lockthile

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7/30/12 6:47:28 AM#57

How on earth could you make a decision whether to buy a game based on a 24h free-trial? You would have to sit pretty much a whole damn day in order to se whether the game is something you will like or not.

Having 3-4 days to determine whether the game is good or not is much better way to market your product than a mere 24h access. This way you can spend a few hours each day. 

Honestly, its a good marketing move, and it doesn't cost anything. It can only pay off with more purchases and subsribers. 

Oh, and from the user reviews, TSW gets a decent score. Very few people are bashing the game, and those that will not continue playing say that the game is decent but not for them.

 

  Omnifish

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7/30/12 7:32:43 AM#58
Originally posted by Bhorzo
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by stragen001
Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

 

How so? its only a day pass

 

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back to OP, I would say not nearly as well as they hoped, publishers get most of the box sale money and all indicators show they were not all that. If I had to guess I would say in the 300K range plus or minus 50 K

 

300k seems about right. It's a shame that they didn't really advertise the game better.

I really don't get this, 'the game wasn't advertised better', argument.  I mean didn't they hold it back for two months for, 'marketing', reasons? So what were they doing that time? As I recall there was plenty of puff pieces, banner advertising on this site and on others.  Even on mail.com they had a banner ad for it. Unless of course the game wasn't held back for the reasons stated, but that's another argument.

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  Tjommis

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7/30/12 8:26:46 AM#59

It's a smart move by Funcom to give a free weekend since a lot of potential customers base their impression of the game from the earliest open beta weekends. Back then it had some well known issues with unfinished animations and was lacking in the "feel-department". Much of this was resolved by launch, and this will give all those originally interested in the game a reason for a second look :)

  Jackdog

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7/30/12 8:42:59 AM#60
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by stragen001

Well they are already offering free trials and its not even a month since launch, so I reckon its not doing so well......

I am surprised not all MMOs do that from a week after launch.

But I don´t think it outsold AoC or anything anyways, die hard MMO fans bought it but my none MMO fanatic gamer friends havn´t heard about it.

most MMO's give a few try before buys prior to release these days, beta weekends or something at least. Sort of surprising to see one this soon after release though. I do have a feeling that they did not do as well as they had hoped they would and are trying to sell a few more boxes. It may work, I am bored crapless at the moment and may end up buying a copy to tide me over to GW2. I canceled my ToR account so I could sub to it, will decide after the I retry it.

I miss DAoC

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