2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  Why?

Ever play FFXI?It's skills are based on the weapon as well and uses predominantly macros.Ever play Unreal Tournament or Quake?It is all about the macros,that is as action as it gets my friend.The other problem is ,so what if it doesn't work for YOU,maybe others might want them?

3 Mounts You know that is a pretty lazy argument to just say who needs them.Mounts and housing are probably the two most wanted content ideas going in the MMO industry.Other developers who we expect to make excuses when showing a LACK OF effort at least say things like we are working on it or it doesn't fit into our budget.The thing  about MOST of A-Nets design shows LESS effort than more.You see the LACK OF "excuse" works great if you show MORE effort over all in the game.When i see things liek buildings with no insides or doors,it pretty much confirms the "cheap""lazy" approach A-Net was going for.

"Spam-Fest I can't personally comment on this but perhaps has do with the limitations of choice?I can use FFXI for example,you gain a spell/ability you can use it FOREVER,no restrictions on choice and even level 1-5 spells/abilities are useful throughout the game.Example yo uare not given 75 spells and told yo ucan only use 10 of them,that would be totally unrealsitic,are yo uto assume your player forgot the others?

To save from a long post i will comment on the way point.It is a poor argument when you contradict your own argument.You say the game encourages you to "stop and smell the roses" then go on to say /waypoints are great.Well if you are just auto warping you are NOT stopping to smell the roses and you are NOT enjoying the beauty of exploration and travel,only that one time ,then it is all as automated.

What i expect in a Role playing game is some form of realization.Example i will use my old FFXI as an example.The White MAge learns the travel portal spells,but as a realsitic mage it has to LEARN it over time.Then they have to do quests to achive the skill/spell.Then the game created Crags magic portals to teleport to ,so it al lmade sense in a magical way.To do what A-Net is doing is not even realistic,you just allow every player to warp around.

That detracts from LORE,how is it EVERY race can just warp around the game with no plausible reason,other than they have been there before?You see once again this design approach points to LESS effort than more and that is Always the trend A-Net chooses in it's design.

Last point becuase dude kept using it over and over in his defense of the games lack of's.He kept mentioning "LAZY" and WHY? Well is this /waypoint not the laziest thing you can put into a game?You see i think that poster made it obviosu he was just being defensive and not fair to criticism of a games l;ack of effort becuase he contradicts his own comments.

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Eivi

This, it's purely a bigger dick competiton when DPS meters get involved.

I completely agree. As a recovering dps-user who used to compare dicks all the time in WOW (my gnome mage did kick some ass!) I can say whole heartedly that I do not want in any shape or form DPS meters in GW2.

If a game is about skill rotations, a dps meter actually has a (although marginally) practical use. But in GW2 combat style it just doesn't make sense to have it. The OP will be facerolled time after time untill he starts realising that GW2 doesn't play like a skillrotation MMO.

Okay, well it's been fun folks.   This post has carried me a good 2 hours now but alas it's time for me to shut my eyes and call it a night.  Joocheese, it's been a blast, if you're looking for some folks to game with once GW2 launches give me a hollar.  Kriminal66, I'll do my best to grow that pair you were talking about (I know your'e still lurking out there).  Brac, seriously let me know what server you'll be on cuz I'm guna make sure I avoid that one as hard as I can.  To the rest of ya, good evening, have fun and be nice...ish.

Originally posted by Wizardry

2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  Why?

Ever play FFXI?It's skills are based on the weapon as well and uses predominantly macros.Ever play Unreal Tournament or Quake?It is all about the macros,that is as action as it gets my friend.The other problem is ,so what if it doesn't work for YOU,maybe others might want them?

3 Mounts You know that is a pretty lazy argument to just say who needs them.Mounts and housing are probably the two most wanted content ideas going in the MMO industry.Other developers who we expect to make excuses when showing a LACK OF effort at least say things like we are working on it or it doesn't fit into our budget.The thing  about MOST of A-Nets design shows LESS effort than more.You see the LACK OF "excuse" works great if you show MORE effort over all in the game.When i see things liek buildings with no insides or doors,it pretty much confirms the "cheap""lazy" approach A-Net was going for.

"Spam-Fest I can't personally comment on this but perhaps has do with the limitations of choice?I can use FFXI for example,you gain a spell/ability you can use it FOREVER,no restrictions on choice and even level 1-5 spells/abilities are useful throughout the game.Example yo uare not given 75 spells and told yo ucan only use 10 of them,that would be totally unrealsitic,are yo uto assume your player forgot the others?

To save from a long post i will comment on the way point.It is a poor argument when you contradict your own argument.You say the game encourages you to "stop and smell the roses" then go on to say /waypoints are great.Well if you are just auto warping you are NOT stopping to smell the roses and you are NOT enjoying the beauty of exploration and travel,only that one time ,then it is all as automated.

What i expect in a Role playing game is some form of realization.Example i will use my old FFXI as an example.The White MAge learns the travel portal spells,but as a realsitic mage it has to LEARN it over time.Then they have to do quests to achive the skill/spell.Then the game created Crags magic portals to teleport to ,so it al lmade sense in a magical way.To do what A-Net is doing is not even realistic,you just allow every player to warp around.

That detracts from LORE,how is it EVERY race can just warp around the game with no plausible reason,other than they have been there before?You see once again this design approach points to LESS effort than more and that is Always the trend A-Net chooses in it's design.

Last point becuase dude kept using it over and over in his defense of the games lack of's.He kept mentioning "LAZY" and WHY? Well is this /waypoint not the laziest thing you can put into a game?You see i think that poster made it obviosu he was just being defensive and not fair to criticism of a games l;ack of effort becuase he contradicts his own comments.

 

i can see how focusing on other areas of the game then mounts and player housing could be a bad thing. they definitley should have done that and ignored dynamic events or something, you know who needs a slightly less boring approach to the old quest system, i get it FFXI was the god of mmo's or something and this game doesnt even have mounts. while i agree that the spell system was a lot better back then, it isnt feasible these days and i think Anet have done a good job to satisfy the instant gratification crowd and the rest of us who are used to rediculously stupid grinds in games.

at some point you have to realise that Anet is still a business and they are trying todo right by TODAYS market, i dont personally like the instant travel locations, but on the same note i refuse to use them unless i'm say on another map and someone asks me todo a dungeon with them, i'm not going to run all the way back. same as the scouts, i refuse to use scouts, i go out into the world emerse myself in the game and find adventures as i roam.. and completely ignore scouts, because it takes away a lot from the game.

Anet gives you choices, todo as you wish with... use the scouts follow the hearts; dont use the scouts find your own adventure. explore a rich and vast land; use teleporters and jump around everywhere ignoring half the content.

they are tailoring a game to as many markets as they can so instead of just saying "this is how it is" they have done there best to instil choice into the game and try and let you decide how you want to play it. would i like mounts, yeah of course.. would i like housing yes but no it doesnt phase me that much and also a lot of developers skip housing because it's one of the most requested features that then goes on to be one of the least used features and was counter productive for the game to invest time into in the first place... Guild halls would be more appropriate given the games title and would be a good place to store guild trophies / achievements etc... but who knows maybe in the future.

/endrant

Originally posted by someforumguy

[mod edit] Thinking that a dps parser would help you with GW2 combat just shows you don't understand GW2 combat. [mod edit]

I understand it if you like mounts. Mounts are cool and a feature that ppl ask about a lot. Even the devs mentioned that they are considering it. But with map travel they are also kind of obsolete and degraded to just a fun factor, nothing more. At least not needed for faster travel anyway. Actually it could change PVE balance because of the speedbuff that everyone gets with a mount. Thinking that just adding mounts would be no problem is kind of short sighted imo.

[mod edit]

As long as they're not much faster than running, and for mostly cosmetic purposes, I would have nothing against mounts in GW2; they would prob just put them in the cash shop (great way for the devs to make extra cash!).

Originally posted by Wizardry

2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  Why?

Ever play FFXI?It's skills are based on the weapon as well and uses predominantly macros.Ever play Unreal Tournament or Quake?It is all about the macros,that is as action as it gets my friend.The other problem is ,so what if it doesn't work for YOU,maybe others might want them?

3 Mounts You know that is a pretty lazy argument to just say who needs them.Mounts and housing are probably the two most wanted content ideas going in the MMO industry.Other developers who we expect to make excuses when showing a LACK OF effort at least say things like we are working on it or it doesn't fit into our budget.The thing  about MOST of A-Nets design shows LESS effort than more.You see the LACK OF "excuse" works great if you show MORE effort over all in the game.When i see things liek buildings with no insides or doors,it pretty much confirms the "cheap""lazy" approach A-Net was going for.

"Spam-Fest I can't personally comment on this but perhaps has do with the limitations of choice?I can use FFXI for example,you gain a spell/ability you can use it FOREVER,no restrictions on choice and even level 1-5 spells/abilities are useful throughout the game.Example yo uare not given 75 spells and told yo ucan only use 10 of them,that would be totally unrealsitic,are yo uto assume your player forgot the others?

To save from a long post i will comment on the way point.It is a poor argument when you contradict your own argument.You say the game encourages you to "stop and smell the roses" then go on to say /waypoints are great.Well if you are just auto warping you are NOT stopping to smell the roses and you are NOT enjoying the beauty of exploration and travel,only that one time ,then it is all as automated.

What i expect in a Role playing game is some form of realization.Example i will use my old FFXI as an example.The White MAge learns the travel portal spells,but as a realsitic mage it has to LEARN it over time.Then they have to do quests to achive the skill/spell.Then the game created Crags magic portals to teleport to ,so it al lmade sense in a magical way.To do what A-Net is doing is not even realistic,you just allow every player to warp around.

That detracts from LORE,how is it EVERY race can just warp around the game with no plausible reason,other than they have been there before?You see once again this design approach points to LESS effort than more and that is Always the trend A-Net chooses in it's design.

Last point becuase dude kept using it over and over in his defense of the games lack of's.He kept mentioning "LAZY" and WHY? Well is this /waypoint not the laziest thing you can put into a game?You see i think that poster made it obviosu he was just being defensive and not fair to criticism of a games l;ack of effort becuase he contradicts his own comments.

 

I think that macro's could be helpfull yes. But developers often don't want to see their game played with macro's. In those cases they don't allow macro's. There is not much to it actually.

And mounts only create an extra problem to solve with dynamic events system. Mounts would be degraded to just fluff because of the already existing fast travel system , I can understand that the devs are not adding those for launch. They are considering it though.

And yeah, macro's are for convenience.  Automating your combinations means you don't need as much control over your combat. Because it saves you having to practice the timing of some combinations. So yeah, I can see why others see that as lazyness. Especially with the low amount of skills in the shooters that you mentioned.

calling it a night... I'll see ya'll tomorrow!

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

Yeah, but it is a rather new feature and still not that common. Personally I don´t care much for it.

No Macros.

In my book that is a good thing, here you will be forced to time things yourself. Macros suck.

No mounts.

No, they have teleporting points instead. Mounts will be added eventually though.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

Yeah, all the worlds twinks are crying. Another feature that makes MMOs more boring taken away.

Zones instead of an open world.

The game were actually originally intended to be open (source: Lead designer Jeff Strain) but it would affect the performance too much making the servers too small. But frankly are most of the MMOs instanced. It is annoying but at least are the zones a lot larger than AoC.

Running directx 9, in 2012.  They might be updating this.

They disabled the dx 10 in the beta, yes. Why that would be a reason to pay less for the game is beyond me, betas are rarely 100% feature complete.

Clunky movement and jumping.  Really noticeable when trying to do the vista achievements.

For me it floats perfectly, maybe it is yor computer or ISP?

Combat is a spam fest.  Mash 5 keys, weapon swap, mash 5 keys rinse repeat.  Definately a step sideways in combat department.

You die a lot or have not passed level 15, right? You need timing to ply longer than that but the first levels can just be spammed.

PVE in the structured PVP matches.  Thats a joke.  They said they want this to be an E-Sport and they added PVE mobs that give points to a PVP match?  

Yeah, there are some matches like that, others without it. Just play the ones you prefer.

Broken Q in sPVP.  This one really irks me because this will be the second supposed "Tripple A" MMO that will launch in a year with a broken PVP Q.

You have to be a bit more specific, how is it broken?

Extreme FPS and lag issues in WvW.  WvW is a complete zerg fest.

First of all is it still a beta. performances are never great then, secondly a lot of it seems to be you.

Major bugs going on.  Sigils on weapons not working right. Abilities not working.  Abilities/traits/sigils with little to no description of what they actually do.  Traits not working right.  Ground AOE falling through the earth all over  the place and not working.  Ground placed items that don't work, fall through the ground.

I seen a few, particularly in BWE1 but I actually seen more in almost all newly released MMOs, only exception is really LOTRO that instead released with close to zero content.VBut yeah, there are still issues, that is why they had a beta.

Class balance is non existant, one class can hit for 12k and burst someone down in about 3 seconds, while other classes are completely gimp.

And class balance is perfect in which MMO? All of them including Wow is as bad or worse, the only online RPG with good balance is GW and that took years.

Ridiculous prices in the cash shop.  In a 500 man guild?  Get ready to pony up $40 on launch day to make your guild.

Yeah, the cashshop is filled with expensive junk, but fortunatley we don´t need the crap.

Hope they can fix some of this stuff before launch, but I'm not to sure they can get even half of that stuff done.  Guess we'll have to settle for another sub par MMO launch.  Like I said earlier at least they aren't charging a sub.

Have you ever played a MMO at launch? As I said a bit up, only LOTRO was in better shape and it had almost no content, it took over a year before it had enough of it. Wow was a disaster at the US launch in nov '04 but since all MMO launching before Wow was even worse it got away with it. And all those games had hours to wait before you even could start playing, GW2s overflow servers makes that wait optional if you just must log into the real server.

Rift was actually in about the same shape as GW2 and have been updated a lot since. Otherwise there is AION and TERA but both those games had already been out for 1 1/2 years in South Korea so comparing the game to them is unfair.

I started playing MMOs in 1996, I played many betas during the years and this is besides LOTRO the best by far. It ain´t perfect and there are still a few bugs, particularly in the stuff they just added for BWE or changed but if all MMOs were this polished at launch I would be a happy camper.

Of Wow, EQ and the rest were worth a 15 bucks sub together with the boxprice at launch then so would this game be.

But yeah, compared with most singleplayer games this is far from great.

Originally posted by brac777

Originally posted by Loke666

 

Have you ever played a MMO at launch? As I said a bit up, only LOTRO was in better shape and it had almost no content, it took over a year before it had enough of it. Wow was a disaster at the US launch in nov '04 but since all MMO launching before Wow was even worse it got away with it. And all those games had hours to wait before you even could start playing, GW2s overflow servers makes that wait optional if you just must log into the real server.

Rift was actually in about the same shape as GW2 and have been updated a lot since. Otherwise there is AION and TERA but both those games had already been out for 1 1/2 years in South Korea so comparing the game to them is unfair.

I started playing MMOs in 1996, I played many betas during the years and this is besides LOTRO the best by far. It ain´t perfect and there are still a few bugs, particularly in the stuff they just added for BWE or changed but if all MMOs were this polished at launch I would be a happy camper.

Of Wow, EQ and the rest were worth a 15 bucks sub together with the boxprice at launch then so would this game be.

But yeah, compared with most singleplayer games this is far from great.

[mod edit]

[mod edit] when it is all in the same regard, you're talking about QoL features expected by todays standards.. well none of those games had them at launch and most of them were in far worse shape... it's all relevant

Originally posted by Siphaed

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

No Macros.

No mounts.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

Zones instead of an open world.

Running directx 9, in 2012.  They might be updating this.

Clunky movement and jumping.  Really noticeable when trying to do the vista achievements.

Combat is a spam fest.  Mash 5 keys, weapon swap, mash 5 keys rinse repeat.  Definately a step sideways in combat department.

PVE in the structured PVP matches.  Thats a joke.  They said they want this to be an E-Sport and they added PVE mobs that give points to a PVP match?  

Broken Q in sPVP.  This one really irks me because this will be the second supposed "Tripple A" MMO that will launch in a year with a broken PVP Q.

Extreme FPS and lag issues in WvW.  WvW is a complete zerg fest.

Major bugs going on.  Sigils on weapons not working right. Abilities not working.  Abilities/traits/sigils with little to no description of what they actually do.  Traits not working right.  Ground AOE falling through the earth all over  the place and not working.  Ground placed items that don't work, fall through the ground.

Class balance is non existant, one class can hit for 12k and burst someone down in about 3 seconds, while other classes are completely gimp.

Ridiculous prices in the cash shop.  In a 500 man guild?  Get ready to pony up $40 on launch day to make your guild.

Hope they can fix some of this stuff before launch, but I'm not to sure they can get even half of that stuff done.  Guess we'll have to settle for another sub par MMO launch.  Like I said earlier at least they aren't charging a sub.

 

Just for reference, none of those things are "MISSING".  They're not in because they're not a core mechanic of the game and this game is mixing up the usual BS clones that other games have become.   

 

1) /say and /map work great, no need for a lazy man's dungeon finder.  And the dungeons are marked on the map, what's there to find?

 

2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  WHY?!

 

3) Mounts?  Who needs those.  This game has speed buffs on almost every class, besides having Magical Waypoints and Asura Gates.  And, the exploration of this game makes players WANT to stop and smell the roses, not rush past them

 

4)  DPS meter/Parser?  Really?  You want this to be a numbers race?  That stuff is so lame.  It's not FUN to just sit there and crunch numbers.  If you think it is,  please by all means there is FREEWARE that comes with all versions of Windows called a CALCULATOR.

 

5)  The zones are huge!  So what if you have to portal.  Players had to do that in Age of Conan, WAR, City of Heroes, Champions, DC Universe, and dozens of other games.   Big whoop.   The zones have far more graphical prowas than that of other games too

 

6) See part #5, but the graphics on this thing surpass that of Age of Conan, and it's DX10.  So, ya.  Just because it's DXwhatever, doesn't mean it sucks.  This game is B-E-A-UTIFUL!

 

7) Um, no, it's not cluncky at all.  Where is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afmc1ARITzk considered cluncky?

 

8) You have no understanding of some of the PvP systems.  Sure, there's SOME PvE targets, but the main focus is PvP.  Tisk, tisk.

 

10) Queues are being worked on, that's what a Beta is for.  They said it's getting revamped before launch.

 

11) No FPS issues on my end, must be your computer.

 

12) I've never ONCE seen issues with siege weapons, or abilities, going off wrong.  Care to give a specific detailed example?

 

13) Yes, balance isn't 100% perfect. Oh, no!  It's still something they're working on.  I've never seen a class that can "3 hit" a person as you claim, but whatever.  The classes seem far more balanced than that of current state WoW, that's for sure.

 

14)  Um, no.  It costs GOLD to get a 500 man guild registered, NOT GEMS.  Unless you're counting Gem-to-Gold conversion, which would be foolish of the guild.  They can just get every member to donate 5 Silver.  5x500=2500, or 25 GOLD.  Holy cow!  So easy!

 

15)  Your trolling effort is totally bust.  Please, stay in WoW where you belong.  All your complaints match that game to a "T" without need of mentioning the name.

Best comeback. Ever.  /thread 

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

No Macros.

No mounts.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

...

I think you are expecting the wrong game dude....

GW2 don´t have those features because they are not part of its core design...

I´m totally against some you listed like DPS meter or Dungeon finder.

BTW why in the hell would you like a dps meter when game is mostly about avoiding dmg?

This is GW2, not WoW2 ......

tera fanboy without a clue (especially about pvp) comes into forums hatin' gw2.

nothing special to see here. next.

and btw lol at tera has the best graphics (sorry son, but no).

LOL @OP

Francis, is that you ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToIHroU-WY

Originally posted by Siphaed

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

No Macros.

No mounts.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

Zones instead of an open world.

Running directx 9, in 2012.  They might be updating this.

Clunky movement and jumping.  Really noticeable when trying to do the vista achievements.

Combat is a spam fest.  Mash 5 keys, weapon swap, mash 5 keys rinse repeat.  Definately a step sideways in combat department.

PVE in the structured PVP matches.  Thats a joke.  They said they want this to be an E-Sport and they added PVE mobs that give points to a PVP match?  

Broken Q in sPVP.  This one really irks me because this will be the second supposed "Tripple A" MMO that will launch in a year with a broken PVP Q.

Extreme FPS and lag issues in WvW.  WvW is a complete zerg fest.

Major bugs going on.  Sigils on weapons not working right. Abilities not working.  Abilities/traits/sigils with little to no description of what they actually do.  Traits not working right.  Ground AOE falling through the earth all over  the place and not working.  Ground placed items that don't work, fall through the ground.

Class balance is non existant, one class can hit for 12k and burst someone down in about 3 seconds, while other classes are completely gimp.

Ridiculous prices in the cash shop.  In a 500 man guild?  Get ready to pony up $40 on launch day to make your guild.

Hope they can fix some of this stuff before launch, but I'm not to sure they can get even half of that stuff done.  Guess we'll have to settle for another sub par MMO launch.  Like I said earlier at least they aren't charging a sub.

 

Just for reference, none of those things are "MISSING".  They're not in because they're not a core mechanic of the game and this game is mixing up the usual BS clones that other games have become.   

 

1) /say and /map work great, no need for a lazy man's dungeon finder.  And the dungeons are marked on the map, what's there to find?

 

2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  WHY?!

 

3) Mounts?  Who needs those.  This game has speed buffs on almost every class, besides having Magical Waypoints and Asura Gates.  And, the exploration of this game makes players WANT to stop and smell the roses, not rush past them

 

4)  DPS meter/Parser?  Really?  You want this to be a numbers race?  That stuff is so lame.  It's not FUN to just sit there and crunch numbers.  If you think it is,  please by all means there is FREEWARE that comes with all versions of Windows called a CALCULATOR.

 

5)  The zones are huge!  So what if you have to portal.  Players had to do that in Age of Conan, WAR, City of Heroes, Champions, DC Universe, and dozens of other games.   Big whoop.   The zones have far more graphical prowas than that of other games too

 

6) See part #5, but the graphics on this thing surpass that of Age of Conan, and it's DX10.  So, ya.  Just because it's DXwhatever, doesn't mean it sucks.  This game is B-E-A-UTIFUL!

 

7) Um, no, it's not cluncky at all.  Where is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afmc1ARITzk considered cluncky?

 

8) You have no understanding of some of the PvP systems.  Sure, there's SOME PvE targets, but the main focus is PvP.  Tisk, tisk.

 

10) Queues are being worked on, that's what a Beta is for.  They said it's getting revamped before launch.

 

11) No FPS issues on my end, must be your computer.

 

12) I've never ONCE seen issues with siege weapons, or abilities, going off wrong.  Care to give a specific detailed example?

 

13) Yes, balance isn't 100% perfect. Oh, no!  It's still something they're working on.  I've never seen a class that can "3 hit" a person as you claim, but whatever.  The classes seem far more balanced than that of current state WoW, that's for sure.

 

14)  Um, no.  It costs GOLD to get a 500 man guild registered, NOT GEMS.  Unless you're counting Gem-to-Gold conversion, which would be foolish of the guild.  They can just get every member to donate 5 Silver.  5x500=2500, or 25 GOLD.  Holy cow!  So easy!

 

15)  Your trolling effort is totally bust.  Please, stay in WoW where you belong.  All your complaints match that game to a "T" without need of mentioning the name.

Thread over

At post #2

I kinda laugh'd at the macro section... I myself hate playing wow that i have to use 100 macros because there are too many skills for little things. I bet there is alot more than just me that are against macros.

From his post I can't seem to understand what exactly he said that enticed so much GW2 white knighting?

Nothing he said was bashing the game.  It was simply stating current/potential problems with the game.  How is that so bad?  He even admits early on that he has already pre ordered the game and likes the game yet is pointing out things he things or knows are problems with the game.

Your going to say that skill completely not working is a good sign for a beta?  I am sorry but that scares the shit out of me from buying this game.  

The movement in the game is VERY clunky, and its one of the major factors for me being on the fence of buying the game.  Watching people hop around and only half their body twists and moves while they perform actions looks really really terrible and bugs me.

Not having a Dungeon Finder is bad period.  You can't argue history.  Regardless of not being forced to PvE for items and everything is mostly cosmetic it just makes it that much harder to get a group and is a big turn off when people don't have or want to spend 10 to 20 mins waiting for 4 other people to group with do to a dungeon.

But what baffles me the most about this thread is the amount of out right blind fanboism toward GW2.  It is pretty incredible how many people kept saying he posted misinformation or lies because well almost everything in there is factual or has a basis for concern regardless if its an opinion or not.

Originally posted by otacu

Originally posted by Siphaed

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

No Macros.

No mounts.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

Zones instead of an open world.

Running directx 9, in 2012.  They might be updating this.

Clunky movement and jumping.  Really noticeable when trying to do the vista achievements.

Combat is a spam fest.  Mash 5 keys, weapon swap, mash 5 keys rinse repeat.  Definately a step sideways in combat department.

PVE in the structured PVP matches.  Thats a joke.  They said they want this to be an E-Sport and they added PVE mobs that give points to a PVP match?  

Broken Q in sPVP.  This one really irks me because this will be the second supposed "Tripple A" MMO that will launch in a year with a broken PVP Q.

Extreme FPS and lag issues in WvW.  WvW is a complete zerg fest.

Major bugs going on.  Sigils on weapons not working right. Abilities not working.  Abilities/traits/sigils with little to no description of what they actually do.  Traits not working right.  Ground AOE falling through the earth all over  the place and not working.  Ground placed items that don't work, fall through the ground.

Class balance is non existant, one class can hit for 12k and burst someone down in about 3 seconds, while other classes are completely gimp.

Ridiculous prices in the cash shop.  In a 500 man guild?  Get ready to pony up $40 on launch day to make your guild.

Hope they can fix some of this stuff before launch, but I'm not to sure they can get even half of that stuff done.  Guess we'll have to settle for another sub par MMO launch.  Like I said earlier at least they aren't charging a sub.

 

Just for reference, none of those things are "MISSING".  They're not in because they're not a core mechanic of the game and this game is mixing up the usual BS clones that other games have become.   

 

1) /say and /map work great, no need for a lazy man's dungeon finder.  And the dungeons are marked on the map, what's there to find?

 

2) Macros don't work for action-based combat.  And, they certain don't work when skills are changed with each weapon.  Also, again this is a lazy person's play style.  WHY?!

 

3) Mounts?  Who needs those.  This game has speed buffs on almost every class, besides having Magical Waypoints and Asura Gates.  And, the exploration of this game makes players WANT to stop and smell the roses, not rush past them

 

4)  DPS meter/Parser?  Really?  You want this to be a numbers race?  That stuff is so lame.  It's not FUN to just sit there and crunch numbers.  If you think it is,  please by all means there is FREEWARE that comes with all versions of Windows called a CALCULATOR.

 

5)  The zones are huge!  So what if you have to portal.  Players had to do that in Age of Conan, WAR, City of Heroes, Champions, DC Universe, and dozens of other games.   Big whoop.   The zones have far more graphical prowas than that of other games too

 

6) See part #5, but the graphics on this thing surpass that of Age of Conan, and it's DX10.  So, ya.  Just because it's DXwhatever, doesn't mean it sucks.  This game is B-E-A-UTIFUL!

 

7) Um, no, it's not cluncky at all.  Where is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afmc1ARITzk considered cluncky?

 

8) You have no understanding of some of the PvP systems.  Sure, there's SOME PvE targets, but the main focus is PvP.  Tisk, tisk.

 

10) Queues are being worked on, that's what a Beta is for.  They said it's getting revamped before launch.

 

11) No FPS issues on my end, must be your computer.

 

12) I've never ONCE seen issues with siege weapons, or abilities, going off wrong.  Care to give a specific detailed example?

 

13) Yes, balance isn't 100% perfect. Oh, no!  It's still something they're working on.  I've never seen a class that can "3 hit" a person as you claim, but whatever.  The classes seem far more balanced than that of current state WoW, that's for sure.

 

14)  Um, no.  It costs GOLD to get a 500 man guild registered, NOT GEMS.  Unless you're counting Gem-to-Gold conversion, which would be foolish of the guild.  They can just get every member to donate 5 Silver.  5x500=2500, or 25 GOLD.  Holy cow!  So easy!

 

15)  Your trolling effort is totally bust.  Please, stay in WoW where you belong.  All your complaints match that game to a "T" without need of mentioning the name.

Thread over

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haha yeah, OP got Pwned, then conveniently ignored this post.....

All of the things he said were "missing" are not missing, they are deliberately not included by design, and all the other things are being worked on before launch. OP is stuck in a WoW mindset. We dont want dungeon finders and DPS meters and Macros and all that associated crap in GW2

Hello.

Everything you say, OP is just going to reply with "typical fanboy response".

Originally posted by brac777

I can see why the game is not charging a sub at launch.  Its missing many basic QOL and functionalities of a standard MMO and its got some serious issues.

No dungeon finder.  

No Macros.

No mounts.

No DPS meter or at least a parsable combat log.

Zones instead of an open world.

Running directx 9, in 2012.  They might be updating this.

Clunky movement and jumping.  Really noticeable when trying to do the vista achievements.

Combat is a spam fest.  Mash 5 keys, weapon swap, mash 5 keys rinse repeat.  Definately a step sideways in combat department.

PVE in the structured PVP matches.  Thats a joke.  They said they want this to be an E-Sport and they added PVE mobs that give points to a PVP match?  

Broken Q in sPVP.  This one really irks me because this will be the second supposed "Tripple A" MMO that will launch in a year with a broken PVP Q.

Extreme FPS and lag issues in WvW.  WvW is a complete zerg fest.

Major bugs going on.  Sigils on weapons not working right. Abilities not working.  Abilities/traits/sigils with little to no description of what they actually do.  Traits not working right.  Ground AOE falling through the earth all over  the place and not working.  Ground placed items that don't work, fall through the ground.

Class balance is non existant, one class can hit for 12k and burst someone down in about 3 seconds, while other classes are completely gimp.

Ridiculous prices in the cash shop.  In a 500 man guild?  Get ready to pony up $40 on launch day to make your guild.

Hope they can fix some of this stuff before launch, but I'm not to sure they can get even half of that stuff done.  Guess we'll have to settle for another sub par MMO launch.  Like I said earlier at least they aren't charging a sub.

Please don't put shit you want and think in a post about missing basic stuff and buggy.

Queue?

I almost put you on the block list.

All the white is fair stuff.

Edited: Stop lying on purpose that shit does not help!!!