GW1 was put on steam fairly late in it's life. I'm not sure if it's even been up there a full year (and GW1 is going on it's 8th year).

It's always possible that GW2 will be available on steam, but it's a pretty good bet you won't see it up there for at least another year.

As others have stated steam takes a cut of the profits, and on top of that Valve is pretty picky about which games it supports on their service. It's basically a lot of hoops for a new game to jump through.

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Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

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Originally posted by Nitth  

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Originally posted by MattVid Apparently, many people do not understand how to make money or how the economy works. Steam takes cuts of all sales. A cash shop will simply not work for the game. Games like Firefall and what not are following the same idea here.   Do you not understand why EA tried to create Origin? It is pretty apparent to me. Steam is simply a marketing tool, or something to use if you can't host everything yourself. Beyond that, you are just going to lose boat loads of money to them, especially if your only way to make money is in-game cash shop transactions past the price of the box. I doubt this will ever be on Steam. GW1 isn't, so why would GW2?

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  Guild wars 1 is. http://store.steampowered.com/app/29540/?snr=1_7_suggest__13

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Yes, but it was added to steam when they allready stopped developing new content for it.

 

This whole steam experience with GW1 must have tought GW2 that they cant win much from joining up with steam and that they can make more money when hosting thier own download centre for GW2.  I think Arenanet is quite capapble of marketing their own game better then it could in the massive steam environment.

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None the less...its still on steam, which is what i was pointing out to the quoted poster.

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Originally posted by sk8chalif
steam is a 3rd party, imagine if we had WoW on steam for exemple.

patch would be live like week after for steam user. or maybe 2 week

its just like xbox and ps3 when a game need patch from a company they have to get in touch with microsoft/sony and they have to check the patch and blah blah

 

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No, actually, the fact that you're saying that shows you have absolutely no idea how Steam works. I can launch GW1 right now from Steam, and it will be running the same version as the non-Steam version. Developers do not have to run their patches through Valve first. One of the objectives of Steam is to make it easier for developers to reach their customers, something that Gabe Newell has stated is distinct from consoles.

Please don't make things up and post them. Someone who knows even less might actually believe you.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by The_Argo

I noticed all the other Guild Wars are on steam, anyone know if GW2 will be on there too?

No. Anet and Valve had a disagreement and as such, GW2 will not be on Steam.

 

Originally Posted by Mike O’Brien, President and Founder of ArenaNet

No, it almost certainly won't be on Steam. Valve has some new business terms will keep almost all new MMOs off Steam.

Keep in mind the GW2 client is free to download from our web site and has no copy protection. (And if it's really important, you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library.)

That quote doesn't make sense to me and is factually false.

There are MMOs on Steam, EVE-Online (Sub), DDO (F2P) etc.

ANet had a disagreement with Value, fine. But I found that attack on Steam really unprofessional and expected better.

"Attack on Steam?" There was no attack on Steam. Anet disagrees with whatever terms that Valve placed on them, and so will many other MMO developers. I don't know what they are, but the point is, it's probably not going to be on there.

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by The_Argo

I noticed all the other Guild Wars are on steam, anyone know if GW2 will be on there too?

No. Anet and Valve had a disagreement and as such, GW2 will not be on Steam.

 

Originally Posted by Mike O’Brien, President and Founder of ArenaNet

No, it almost certainly won't be on Steam. Valve has some new business terms will keep almost all new MMOs off Steam.

Keep in mind the GW2 client is free to download from our web site and has no copy protection. (And if it's really important, you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library.)

That quote doesn't make sense to me and is factually false.

There are MMOs on Steam, EVE-Online (Sub), DDO (F2P) etc.

ANet had a disagreement with Value, fine. But I found that attack on Steam really unprofessional and expected better.

"Attack on Steam?" There was no attack on Steam. Anet disagrees with whatever terms that Valve placed on them, and so will many other MMO developers. I don't know what they are, but the point is, it's probably not going to be on there.

Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds. 

If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by The_Argo

I noticed all the other Guild Wars are on steam, anyone know if GW2 will be on there too?

No. Anet and Valve had a disagreement and as such, GW2 will not be on Steam.

 

Originally Posted by Mike O’Brien, President and Founder of ArenaNet

No, it almost certainly won't be on Steam. Valve has some new business terms will keep almost all new MMOs off Steam.

Keep in mind the GW2 client is free to download from our web site and has no copy protection. (And if it's really important, you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library.)

That is a HUGE positive,about time a developer stands up to Steam and tells them NO.

I really got miffed at STEAM when i tried dealing with their customer support,they use a cop out "go to the actual develoepr for support.Well the rpoblem using Steam is they cover every program with a SHELL,meaning yo ucan do very little with it and at times as i experienced made some content unuasable.

I am sure some people have found a way around that shell,but to the average user,we expect FULL control over a product we purchase and Steam does not allow that.

There is yet one other problem associated with that Shell.I have witnessed consumers that made chargebacks agaisnt Steam and they went on to clsoe their entire account leaving them with no access to all the games the yhad purchsed.I would think that is illegal but not sure how an average consumer could fight that.

I would encourage nobody to use Steam,stay as far away as possible.This is one of the smart moves by A-Net and i approve.

Originally posted by khamul787

 

"Attack on Steam?" There was no attack on Steam. Anet disagrees with whatever terms that Valve placed on them, and so will many other MMO developers. I don't know what they are, but the point is, it's probably not going to be on there.

So you speak for 'other MMO developers'?

Like I said, disagreeing and deciding to not do XYZ together with someone is fine.

Disagreeing and then saying 'We didn't do XYZ together and so will other companies' is another issue.

Speaking for 'other' parties is unprofessional and makes you look petty.

Originally posted by Ezhae

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by The_Argo

I noticed all the other Guild Wars are on steam, anyone know if GW2 will be on there too?

No. Anet and Valve had a disagreement and as such, GW2 will not be on Steam.

 

Originally Posted by Mike O’Brien, President and Founder of ArenaNet

No, it almost certainly won't be on Steam. Valve has some new business terms will keep almost all new MMOs off Steam.

Keep in mind the GW2 client is free to download from our web site and has no copy protection. (And if it's really important, you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library.)

That quote doesn't make sense to me and is factually false.

There are MMOs on Steam, EVE-Online (Sub), DDO (F2P) etc.

ANet had a disagreement with Value, fine. But I found that attack on Steam really unprofessional and expected better.

"Attack on Steam?" There was no attack on Steam. Anet disagrees with whatever terms that Valve placed on them, and so will many other MMO developers. I don't know what they are, but the point is, it's probably not going to be on there.

Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds. 

If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

Yeah, that seems like a pretty good reason to not put your game on there. Anet doesn't really need the added publicity from Steam, and they probably won't make enough to justify those cuts that Valve will take off the top.

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds. 

If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

This post is factually false.

Valve does not force micro-transaction to go through Steam.

EVE-Online has MT and even if you buy the game from Steam, MT is done through CCP (Makers of EVE-Online).

Dealing with Steam is filled with NDA so you won't get much proof, but from what we have (public info), Valve doesn't restrict microtransaction to go through Steam.

If the dev wants to go through Steam, they can use the Steam Wallet feature.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by khamul787

 

"Attack on Steam?" There was no attack on Steam. Anet disagrees with whatever terms that Valve placed on them, and so will many other MMO developers. I don't know what they are, but the point is, it's probably not going to be on there.

So you speak for 'other MMO developers'?

Like I said, disagreeing and deciding to not do XYZ together with someone is fine.

Disagreeing and then saying 'We didn't do XYZ together and so will other companies' is another issue.

Speaking for 'other' parties is unprofessional and makes you look petty.

I'm not; Arenanet is, and they would be right. It's perfectly valid reasoning, and frankly, they would know better than you would. They're not saying "we won't do it so no one should," they're saying "this is why we, along with many others, aren;t doing this."

It's hardly unprofessional; it's pointing out the facts of the system.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds. 

If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

This post is factually false.

Valve does not force micro-transaction to go through Steam.

EVE-Online has MT and even if you buy the game from Steam, MT is done through CCP (Makers of EVE-Online).

 

Dealing with Steam is filled with NDA so you won't get much proof, but from what we have (public info), Valve doesn't restrict microtransaction to go through Steam.

If the dev wants to go through Steam, they can use the Steam Wallet feature.

That's not what he's saying; he's saying that MTs of games that go through Steam will have some taken from the top, and this is true.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds. 

If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

This post is factually false.

Valve does not force micro-transaction to go through Steam.

EVE-Online has MT and even if you buy the game from Steam, MT is done through CCP (Makers of EVE-Online).

 

Dealing with Steam is filled with NDA so you won't get much proof, but from what we have (public info), Valve doesn't restrict microtransaction to go through Steam.

If the dev wants to go through Steam, they can use the Steam Wallet feature.

EVE was on steam before that. It started when Steam introduced F2P MMOs in their system, all of them go through Steam system these days. I'm not sure whenever it's restricted if your game is avalible outside of Steam as well (as in doesn't require Steam to run), but when You buy/download it thorugh Steam, then the ingame shop has to go through Steam services for MT. 

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Originally posted by Ezhae

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Originally posted by jpnz

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Originally posted by Ezhae

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Shh. Saying a bad thing about Steam on popular gaming forums get's those torches and pitchforks out in seconds.  If i recall correctly the issue is pretty simple. Valve forced microtransactions to go through Steam instead of going through the actual developer/publisher, meaning they get a cut from it. Not eveyrone is willing to share their profits with Valve, which is udnerstandable, especially if you have strong enough franchise that can hold on it's own withotu the need of advertising on Steam. 

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This post is factually false. Valve does not force micro-transaction to go through Steam. EVE-Online has MT and even if you buy the game from Steam, MT is done through CCP (Makers of EVE-Online).   Dealing with Steam is filled with NDA so you won't get much proof, but from what we have (public info), Valve doesn't restrict microtransaction to go through Steam. If the dev wants to go through Steam, they can use the Steam Wallet feature.

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EVE was on steam before that. It started when Steam introduced F2P MMOs in their system, all of them go through Steam system these days. I'm not sure whenever it's restricted if your game is avalible outside of Steam as well (as in doesn't require Steam to run), but when You buy/download it thorugh Steam, then the ingame shop has to go through Steam services for MT. 

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I think someone should provide a link to the steam "dev" terms of service to put the debate straight once and for all?

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

EVE was on steam before that. It started when Steam introduced F2P MMOs in their system, all of them go through Steam system these days. I'm not sure whenever it's restricted if your game is avalible outside of Steam as well (as in doesn't require Steam to run), but when You buy/download it thorugh Steam, then the ingame shop has to go through Steam services for MT. 

Not true at all.

Valve doesn't force MT to go through Steam.

If I make a game and I want the MT to go through Steam, I can.

But I am not forced to even IF my game is on Steam.

ANet didn't elaborate what their disagreement was which is fine. I have no issue with that. Doubt ANet can anyway since Steam / Valve is NDA-Central. I did find ANet speaking for other developers unprofessional.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by khamul787?

No. Anet and Valve had a disagreement and as such, GW2 will not be on Steam.

Originally Posted by Mike O’Brien, President and Founder of ArenaNet

No, it almost certainly won't be on Steam. Valve has some new business terms will keep almost all new MMOs off Steam.

Keep in mind the GW2 client is free to download from our web site and has no copy protection. (And if it's really important, you can add non-Steam games to your Steam library.)

That quote doesn't make sense to me and is factually false.

There are MMOs on Steam, EVE-Online (Sub), DDO (F2P) etc.

ANet had a disagreement with Value, fine. But I found that attack on Steam really unprofessional and expected better.

Almost all new he said, those games are from 2003.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

Not true at all.

Valve doesn't force MT to go through Steam.

If I make a game and I want the MT to go through Steam, I can.

But I am not forced to even IF my game is on Steam.

 

ANet didn't elaborate what their disagreement was which is fine. I have no issue with that. Doubt ANet can anyway since Steam / Valve is NDA-Central. I did find ANet speaking for other developers unprofessional.

From F2P FAQ avalible on Steam:

If you wish to purchase in-game items or content, you will need to fund your Steam Wallet. Please see theSteam Wallet FAQ for more information.

Never understood why people need games to be sol through Steam.

You can add game to steam if you really feel you want., even if you havet bought it.

Originally posted by fenistil

Never understood why people need games to be sol through Steam.

You can add game to steam if you really feel you want., even if you havet bought it.

Pretty sure people are not upset at Steam not having GW2 at least on this thread.

I did took exception at the ANet's statements which was unprofessional but that's about it.

Originally posted by Ezhae

 

From F2P FAQ avalible on Steam:

If you wish to purchase in-game items or content, you will need to fund your Steam Wallet. Please see theSteam Wallet FAQ for more information.

And... this is relevant how?

GW2 is F2P? o_O

Originally posted by fenistil

Never understood why people need games to be sol through Steam.

You can add game to steam if you really feel you want., even if you havet bought it.

because I get a lot of stuff at 50%+ off